Homemade FSG pros. . . a little help?

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So last time I made homemade FSG I did 4 tbsp flax seed to 2 cups of water. Boiled, strained and it came out a tad runny. I liked it, but it wasn't enough like a gel, more like a serum. This time, well, I did it a bit differently. Same ratio of flax to water but I boiled it longer (at a lower temperature too) so that I could really see at least some gelly like matter on the spoon while I stirred. Then I strained, but I still thought it strained rather easily compared to what I was expecting. Nevertheless, I figured the gelly would thicken as it cooled. I also added a tsp of aloe vera gel and a tsp of Vitamin E oil to help preserve it. Then I stirred well and popped it in the fridge. I used the new batch today for the first time and oh boy is it viscous. It's not even a gelly, it's like a scene out of the movie "The Blob." I stick the spoon in and raise up and a lot of FSG comes up with it. It is pretty thick. Nevertheless, the pinch I did use today in my wet hair seems to be helping with definition a little more than the runny version did. (I use it after leave in, before my KCCC.)

So what's the ideal consistency of FSG? More runny? More thick? Did I underdo last time and overdo this time? Should I add anything else to it to thin it out or is it too late? Also, can I add anything to give it a nice smell? A, you know, more girly smell. Right now it kind of smells like an aloe leaf and not in a good way. Not that you can smell it after you've applied it to your hair but still. . .

Another question, how long does FSG last before you have to throw it out? I threw mine out just before 2 weeks last time. I hope the vitamin E and aloe will help preserve it but I'm not sure how much they help.

Also, the Vitamin E oil I used is from Trader Joe's and I noticed when looking at the back that the first ingredient listed is actually soybean oil, which irritates me. I guess I'll have to find a more pure version of Vitamin E oil from elsewhere. Maybe Whole Foods.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG


Last edited by dusalocks; 03-03-2013 at 06:28 PM. Reason: typo!
I've made fsg only twice...so I'm no expert.
The first time made it, it was so thin. The next time I made it, I boiled it for 7 minutes and its so thick. Super thick. I have to basically cut it with my fingers to get it out if the containers. At first I thought it was worse, that I should dump it and start over. But, I've come to realize it holds better. My hairs never been better. I need to add some protein though, any suggestions for that?
Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.


"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
Have you tried a gelatin PT on your hair? You can add gelatin (pure protein) to FSG. I haven't tried it in FSG yet, but I love IAgirl's gelatin PT so I think I'm going to go for it in my next batch. Searching for "gelatin FSG" came up with a lot of results. Here's one: Experiment - new FSG, great results so far!

I made two batches of FSG so far, so I'm no expert either. But I love how my second batch came out. This will sound really gross, but it's kind of the consistency of mucus... it looks liquidy at first, but it's deceptive. If I put a quarter sized amount onto my hand and pinch it with my fingers, I can pick the whole thing up in a booger-like glob... but it's magical in my hair! I keep it in a clear plastic condiment squeeze bottle (like Amazon.com: 12-oz. Squeeze Bottles 3 pk. - Clear: Home & Kitchen, but I bought one at a local kitchen store for cheaper) and it is really easy to use from there.

I wouldn't describe the consistency as a serum. Maybe it's between your two batches consistency-wise?
2b/c, high density
fine, medium porosity, normal elasticity
loves protein, hates polyquats
still searching for HGs
HoC, sounds like we're in the same boat when it comes to making FSG. But you're right. The second gunky version has better hold so I guess I'm doing all right. I kind of want to throw this out and make batch 3 later today and see what I come up with. . . Do you ever use the FSG to refresh second day curls? I know supposedly you can add it to the hair and the hair just drinks the nutrients it needs but I'm a little afraid to try. I just know it felt like too much I'd want to shower right away.

flippalicious, I'm afraid to add pure gelatin because I have coarse hair but it sounds like a good idea regarding HoC's query. If your hair loves protein, that is. The only thing with gelatin is, again, it doesn't smell so nice. Unless you add anything else to the "pack" I suppose. I'm thinking of putting a drop or two of my lavender into my next batch of FSG so I don't smell like an aloe plant.

So the consistency of mucus is what I was subconsciously going for. I wanted something that reminded me of KCCC because so far I haven't encountered anything that my hair loves more than that. I need a jelly. But I think what I came up with last night isn't that far off. It's just a little too thick compared to the KCCC maybe. But it did provide good definition. I could've used more but as always I tend to use a dime size of new things and ease my way into them. Not that FSG would probably make your hair feel hard or crispy from what I've read, but. . . just to be on the safe side. I like my hair to have movement. What has been your experience with FSG guys? Is it always soft in your hair? How much do you use for your particular length? I have medium long hair right now. BSL.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

I have added gelatin and/or CNPF to my FSG!

Couple secrets I've come across with FSG - when in doubt, go thin. Take the seeds off the heat earlier and strain.

After I remove the seeds, I fill the pot with water, boil, and return the same seeds to make a 2nd batch. Then after straining I combine both batches and return to the heat to thicken them further.

You can also add corn starch. It can both thicken and add hold. "Dissolve" it in cold water first, then add it to your gel. (Start with a teaspoon or two - you can always add more.). If you want to add gelatin, now is the time, as well. Same method - mix with cold water first, then add. (And I'm talking small amounts of water, of course.)

Remove from the heat, let cool slightly, and add any oil, Epsom, CNPF, or anything else you like to add.

HTH!!
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2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
Great advice! What's CNPF though? And do you add any essential oils to make it smell girlier? I want to add lavender to my next batch but am unsure how much.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

So, you add the gelatin to water, then add that to already prepared fsg? How much gelatin? How much water?
Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.


"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
I take it all back. Apparently this consistency is just right for my hair because it is fabuloussss! Later in the day when I felt inclined to experiment I put some, actually a lot once I saw how it was going in (maybe 2 tbsp for my whole head of hair) in dry second day hair and wow, oh wow, curls galore! It gave me so much extra definition and bounce. Also a slight but reassuring gel cast that was very easy to scrunch out twenty or thirty minutes later after I'd let it set. My hair is really soft and very curly right now. I think this bumps homemade FSG up to the HG status. (I know it's still early but I'm hopeful.) FSG is like KCCC's BFF.
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3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Great advice! What's CNPF though? And do you add any essential oils to make it smell girlier? I want to add lavender to my next batch but am unsure how much.
Originally Posted by dusalocks
Colorful Neutral Protein Filler - it's a liquid protein treatment/additive.

I haven't added any fragrance, but then my condish scent always came through it so it never bothered me.
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
So, you add the gelatin to water, then add that to already prepared fsg? How much gelatin? How much water?
Originally Posted by Houseofcurls
For the corn starch or the gelatin, I dissolve them in about equal parts water, or maybe a tiny bit more water.

If I used 2t of starch, I'd use probably 3-4t water. Gelatin I'd use 1T, and mix it with probably 2T water. I don't really measure the water, tho - just put enough to dissolve it and the I mix it into the FSG.

ETA: I add the starch or the gelatin to the already strained gel, but while it's back in the pot and over the heat. Both ingredients need to cook slightly.
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing

Last edited by Jas76; 03-04-2013 at 10:24 PM.
Dusa - so you put it in dry hair?? You are coarse and low porous? I'm afraid my porous hair would go frizzy and/or limp. :/
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
I'm very porous actually. (I know, it's cray cray since I'm coarse.) My hair tends to absorb everything very quickly so it can be difficult to gauge how much to put. Too little? Too much? And I often can't tell right away so it usually takes me a while to gain confidence in a product. So I just put a little, I mean a teensy dab and my hair drank it right away and I saw more curl. So I just kept applying it evenly all around my hair and scrunched up. Then let it sit. For a moment there it looked as though things were going to crispy town but it was the same sort of soft, pliable gelcast I get with KCCC that typically unfurls on its own. So after a spell I scrunched out the mild crunch and bam! Super defined, shiny, and soft curls. It was Princess Dusa time! Two people told me my hair looked nice this afternoon and one was a very cute shopboy. As for the aloe/vitamin E/flaxseed concoction smell, it is really mild and neutral overall and disappears right away so I think I'm just overthinking it. It also didn't smell as strongly today as it did yesterday. Maybe my nose was acting funny. I'm still going to try a drop of lavender though. I wonder if it'd be crazy to put a drop of vanilla in too since I have some of that for baking. . .
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Hmm... I may have to try this!!! Always looking for ways to refresh! I'm just afraid of messing up the clumps and causing frizz - that happens a lot when I "mess" with it. It seems for 2nd day hair I have to have good day 1 hair, it has to survive the night, and only need a little smoothing with oil as some gently twisting to reform a clump or two!

But if something as simple as FSG can refresh my hair... Hey! It's worth a shot, right??

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2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
VEEEEEEERY interesting. I have a whole lot of crap curls happening right now and some ingredients to make FSG, so...I'll see how it goes.
Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.


"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
BTW, isn't it cute that we all end up on the same threads just talking amongst ourselves?
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Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.


"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
LOL!!!!
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
so I just smeared some fsg into my hair and must say...it's looking surprisingly fresh. Weird.
Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.


"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
More info, please??? You put it on dry hair? Did you smooth it down and then scrunch? Did you get frizz?? Did the curls perk back up??
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
so I just smoothes it over the curls. some of my curls were straightened out since I had it "blobbed" just before. So I smoothed it over my more resistent curls (underside) and they are great. I added some water to my top straighter layers and it's crunchy now. no frizz. contrary actually.
Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.


"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
Hmmmm.... May have to do some experimenting!!!

Thanks!!

Hey Dusa - Myrna just realized she is coarse as porous, too! She started a thread asking for advice - you might stop by there!
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing

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