Over-Moisturized?

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  • 1 Post By flippacious
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How can I tell if my hair is becoming over-moisturized? Since I started CG nearly a month ago, I have seen improvement in the curl pettern of my hair...I've even been feeling like my 2B/2C pattern has the potential to be 3A! However, with my past few co-washes, I have felt like my curls have been heavier and stretching back out again. Still healthier and nourished, just falling back to the looser waves that I had before. So, I'm wondering if this may mean that I have over-moisturized my hair?

If this is the case, is protein the only cure? I've been afraid to try protein because of the horror stories I've read, but I think I may need to add some to my routine now. I have low-porosity hair, fine but LOTS of strands. I'm also trying to decide whether I should try protein DT, or add a product for daily protein. Like I said, I'm afraid of killing my hair with protein.

Thank you for any insight ladies!
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If you have fine hair, your hair should LIKE protein. I have fine hair too and I can easily use my PT as a leave in and use it a lot, too.

Even protein-sensitive hair needs protein every now and then!

Fine hair is also easily over-moisturized/over-conditioned. When you're over-conditioned your hair is frizzy, less curly, soft, and when you stretch one hair strand and it doesn't spring back you're over-conditioned.

It's all about finding the right balance!

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My hair is fine/low porosity and never met a protein it didn't like. I do at least one PT a week and use a lot of products with protein. For me, protein tightens curl, reduces frizz and adds volume.
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modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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If you're afraid of it drying you out just start small. Leave the PT in for 20 or 30 minutes instead of an hour. And only test one type of protein at once. However, given your properties I don't think you should be afraid.
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Thank you for the advice! The hair info page on here says that low-po people should stay away from protein, but everything I've read in threads and signatures seems to say the opposite of that. I'm not so afraid anymore I will be purchasing a protein treatment very soon.

Thank you ladies!
2C/B; Low porosity; Fine; Med. density

Low-Poo: L'Oreal Evercurl
CO: V05 Kiwi Lime
RO: SN Coconut; CJ Smoothing Lotion
LI: Ouidad Curl Quencher
Style: CJ CCCCL; CiaB; FSG!
PT: Gelatin
Modified CG since 2/13
Thank you for the advice! The hair info page on here says that low-po people should stay away from protein, but everything I've read in threads and signatures seems to say the opposite of that. I'm not so afraid anymore I will be purchasing a protein treatment very soon.

Thank you ladies!
Originally Posted by JamfoW
The only place I ever remember reading that low porosity hair doesn't like protein is the hair property page on nc.com. That's why I never give at that link when I suggest people determine their hair properties. This is the one that I suggest Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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Kathy, she does say that coarse hair can be protein sensitive. So if , like me, one has coarse hair that low porousity, protein is a dilemma. I know it is confusing to me, whether my hair needs it, or tolerates it, and which kinds, if not all, proteins I should or should not be using.
Kathy, she does say that coarse hair can be protein sensitive. So if , like me, one has coarse hair that low porousity, protein is a dilemma. I know it is confusing to me, whether my hair needs it, or tolerates it, and which kinds, if not all, proteins I should or should not be using.
Originally Posted by Myrna
I was responding to the OP, who has fine/low porosity hair. It's the coarseness that causes protein sensitivity, not the low porosity. Coarseness is another issue.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I have fine, normal porosity hair that gets overmoisturized pretty easily. I can usually tell when I'm getting overmoisturized if my hair isn't as curly when wet. I can feel it instantly in the shower. When in the shower, I also will take my head out from under the water and give my hair a good scrunch. If it doesn't easily form waves and stay that way, I will use a rinse-out that's higher in protein.

I recommend a gelatin PT. It's cheap, easy to make, and you don't need to let it sit in your hair for very long. My hair LOVES a gelatin PT. There's a recipe here:
PT recipe - as promised

When I was first trying out protein and wasn't sure how my hair would respond, I used 1/4 cup water and half a packet of gelatin, and I only left it in for 3 minutes. My hair is short (above shoulder length) but dense. I now use 1/3 cup water, a full gelatin pack, and I leave it in for 5-6 minutes. I always follow with a DT, usually just a really moisturizing conditioner that I apply to wet hair and leave in a shower cap for about 30 min. My hair is so silky and curly after this process!

Edited to add: I do the PT/DT once a week.
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Is it true that type 4 hair curlies can never over moisturize...I have read this on several forums
Thanks, Kathy, I am trying to understand how the properties of t he hair matter. You know so many of us are hooked on the kind of curl we have...so learning about the texture, and porousity is all new to me, and it seems that you can have a texture that needs the opposite of the porousity...so confusing!
My hair is very fine, thin to medium density, and cannot overdose on protein no matter how intense and how often I use protein. I've been CG for several years now and I never ever moisturize my hair. I avoid moisture like the plague and concentrate on really intense protein products....I get over moisturized just from being in a steamy bathroom....frizz city, OH my!

oh, and my hair is very porous too.
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WOW, thank you so much everyone! I'm so relieved to hear that those of you with similar properties to mine have had good results with protein. My hair has been accumulating a layer of "fuzz" lately and now I'm fairly certain that protein should help.

Kathymack, thank you for the link. I have been to the site before, and was confused about the conflicting information. Now I understand why

Flippacious, I really appreciate the link to the gelatin PT recipe...I definitely want to try this out! I've also been very interested in making my own FSG...I've heard great things about it and would LOVE to try it out.

I know this is unrelated, but I'm a little confused about dew points/humectants as well. I live in very HUMID Houston, which I think means that I should add glycerin if I'm making FSG...but I'm not positive about this. Does anyone have experience with this?
2C/B; Low porosity; Fine; Med. density

Low-Poo: L'Oreal Evercurl
CO: V05 Kiwi Lime
RO: SN Coconut; CJ Smoothing Lotion
LI: Ouidad Curl Quencher
Style: CJ CCCCL; CiaB; FSG!
PT: Gelatin
Modified CG since 2/13
WOW, thank you so much everyone! I'm so relieved to hear that those of you with similar properties to mine have had good results with protein. My hair has been accumulating a layer of "fuzz" lately and now I'm fairly certain that protein should help.

Kathymack, thank you for the link. I have been to the site before, and was confused about the conflicting information. Now I understand why

Flippacious, I really appreciate the link to the gelatin PT recipe...I definitely want to try this out! I've also been very interested in making my own FSG...I've heard great things about it and would LOVE to try it out.

I know this is unrelated, but I'm a little confused about dew points/humectants as well. I live in very HUMID Houston, which I think means that I should add glycerin if I'm making FSG...but I'm not positive about this. Does anyone have experience with this?
Originally Posted by JamfoW
Here's an article that was on the Curly Nikki newsletter this am What Makes an Effective Moisturizer? | Curly Nikki | Natural Hair Styles and Natural Hair Care I thought it was very informative.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I have coarse hair with thin strand mostly. I went through the issue of over moisturized hair a couple of years ago. My curls weren't springy like they usually were and my hair felt mushy when wet. I researched and researched and discovered my hair was normal to slightly porous (it varied throughout my head...weirdo hair!). I started doing protein treatments because I heard the horror stories too and stayed away from ot all together. I realized my hair needs and loves protein! It's easier for me to over moisturize than to overload on protein.

For me this was the hardest part about learning what my hair likes and dislikes.
Here's an article that was on the Curly Nikki newsletter this am What Makes an Effective Moisturizer? | Curly Nikki | Natural Hair Styles and Natural Hair Care I thought it was very informative.
Originally Posted by kathymack
This article was very helpful. It turns out that I had the opposite idea of what to expect from humectants in humid weather. I'm glad I read this before making my FSG. Thank you for the link!
2C/B; Low porosity; Fine; Med. density

Low-Poo: L'Oreal Evercurl
CO: V05 Kiwi Lime
RO: SN Coconut; CJ Smoothing Lotion
LI: Ouidad Curl Quencher
Style: CJ CCCCL; CiaB; FSG!
PT: Gelatin
Modified CG since 2/13
I have coarse hair with thin strand mostly. I went through the issue of over moisturized hair a couple of years ago. My curls weren't springy like they usually were and my hair felt mushy when wet. I researched and researched and discovered my hair was normal to slightly porous (it varied throughout my head...weirdo hair!). I started doing protein treatments because I heard the horror stories too and stayed away from ot all together. I realized my hair needs and loves protein! It's easier for me to over moisturize than to overload on protein.

For me this was the hardest part about learning what my hair likes and dislikes.
Originally Posted by JahNaturalDezign
I have been so afraid of protein, but I guess I will never know if I never try! I just picked up some gelatine to make a quick tester PT. Hopefully my hair likes it! Thank you for sharing!
2C/B; Low porosity; Fine; Med. density

Low-Poo: L'Oreal Evercurl
CO: V05 Kiwi Lime
RO: SN Coconut; CJ Smoothing Lotion
LI: Ouidad Curl Quencher
Style: CJ CCCCL; CiaB; FSG!
PT: Gelatin
Modified CG since 2/13
UPDATE!!

I did the gelatin PT in the shower this afternoon. It worked! My waves immediately bounced back up and had more life to them today! I will definitely be incorporating more protein into my daily routine.

Thank you so much for all of the suggestions/testimonials!

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2C/B; Low porosity; Fine; Med. density

Low-Poo: L'Oreal Evercurl
CO: V05 Kiwi Lime
RO: SN Coconut; CJ Smoothing Lotion
LI: Ouidad Curl Quencher
Style: CJ CCCCL; CiaB; FSG!
PT: Gelatin
Modified CG since 2/13

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