Confused about porosity and width

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If you're still trying to figure out width, here's what did it for me (totally unscientific test here):

My hair LOOKS big, because it's curly. People have always called it "thick" - so I assumed the hair itself was thick.

Then I noticed whenever I put it in a ponytail or braid, it completely disappeared down to a tiny baby braid. It looked just like when people put a little kid's hair in a band, it's like the thickness of your pinky finger. My hair does that, despite taking up a lot of space when it is loose. And yes, I get the "pony poof" if I'm not careful.

This is basically how I learned the difference between width (my hairs themselves are fine) and density (I have about a hundred million billion hairs). I've learned to like that combo now that I know what it means, but it was awful when I thought my hair was "thick" and tried to style it as if it were or use products for "thick unruly hair."

For references, I have dark brown/auburn hair, but one dry hair held up to the light is like a wisp. When my hair is wet, a single one becomes much darker and easier to see.
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I'm mostly away doing field work through mid-May.

Hair: curlybob, fine, dense, low-po, big waves/ringlets (2C/3A)
Co-Wash: Nature's Gate Herbal Conditioner
RO: YTC Carrot, Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: BS Shea Soft Styling Cream (HG)
Styling: KCCC, Garnier P&C Gel
1xWeek: low-poo, gelatin PT or Joico K-Pak
Hair Likes: aloe, coconut oil, humidity, protein, long walks on the beach
Thanks bosanbo!

I have a lot of hair and you cannot see my scalp except for the part. When I wear a ponytail (always without the part), I still have a lot of hair, very bushy. I always find it difficult to get hold of elastics (is this the correct word in English?) that are firm and stretchy enough to make the ponytail.

Just to illustrate: this was August 2012, normal hair day https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...63809864_n.jpg

Based on how my hair responds to emollients in my conditioner and protein in my styler, I think it is fine (whereas I really thought it was coarse). Coincidentally, I ran into my mum yesterday and she just came back from her hairdresser. She has no curl whatsoever, but she told me her hairdresser says she has fine hair and a lot of it. Her hair is even coarser than mine.
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Looking for a new low poo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

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Here is the post on CJ Marsha's blog that give you picture representation of texture Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: My 2 cents on Protein/Texture/Porosity/Moisture Balance! :-) Seeing examples, or pulling a hair out to compare may help you.
Originally Posted by kathymack
That is a really useful link - I haven't seen images of texture examples before. I had to keep moving my hair slowly across the screen to be able to compare the thickness, otherwise the light from the screen made seeing the hair difficult... It turned out to agree with my hair analysis profile, so that's good!
I think "coarse" is a difficult term; people (not just CGirls) tend to call dry hair "coarse" regardless of its width, since coarse describes many different textures to different people. So fine hair can feel very coarse to the touch (coarse meaning rough), especially if it is both dry and very porous. So try to go by the width of individual strands (it looks finer in the photo to me, in the bangs around your face), instead of how it feels to the touch. Thinner = fine, very thick = coarse, middle = well, the middle. Mine was just so easy to figure out once I looked at it, because it's so fine, especially compared to other people's hair. So check out a friend's hair, too, compared to yours.

I call them elastics, but people in California call them hair bands or rubber bands or hair ties. It's a regional difference in English; I grew up near Canada.

You have pretty hair, by the way!
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I'm mostly away doing field work through mid-May.

Hair: curlybob, fine, dense, low-po, big waves/ringlets (2C/3A)
Co-Wash: Nature's Gate Herbal Conditioner
RO: YTC Carrot, Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: BS Shea Soft Styling Cream (HG)
Styling: KCCC, Garnier P&C Gel
1xWeek: low-poo, gelatin PT or Joico K-Pak
Hair Likes: aloe, coconut oil, humidity, protein, long walks on the beach
Coarse is indeed a confusing term. My hair is weird when it comes to how it feels. Sometimes it's as soft as silk, yet at other times there is a certain roughness to it. I just thought my individual strands looked really big, course, massive, but I don't really have compared it to other people's hair (except for my mother's then). I will definitely start comparing, a frame of reference would be really helpful.

I had no idea that a simple word like that has so much variety! We call them "elastieken" in Dutch. This is the plural btw, singular would be "elastiek." I just never came across the word during my BA English Language & Culture.

And thank you! I take great pride in my hair and I'm hoping that knowing my properties will help me in enhancing my curls
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F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Looking for a new low poo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
I just thought my individual strands looked really big, course, massive, but I don't really have compared it to other people's hair (except for my mother's then). I will definitely start comparing, a frame of reference would be really helpful.
Originally Posted by Lauraimes
Umm... The following link was posted earlier in this thread by kathymack and is one such really helpful frame of reference:

Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: My 2 cents on Protein/Texture/Porosity/Moisture Balance! :-)
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One thing I find helpful to determine texture, is to pluck off a few hairs (newer, shortish hairs are best to use). Hold each one at the root, and hold it sideways, parallel to the ground. If its coarse, it really just sticks out and doesn't bend much. If its fine or normal, it bends and hangs straight down. It's hard to distinguish between normal and fine hair really, but by rolling a strand between your fingers- if you can't really feel much substance, it's probably fine.

My grays are coarse, everything else is normal.

Here's a link for determining porosity and density that shows a different technique I had not seen before:

How to Find Your Hair Porosity and Density | Curly Nikki | Natural Hair Styles and Natural Hair Care
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
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Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
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I'm writing this series on my blog on hair (curls) and I posted a piece about sulphates and silicones today, including pictures of 2008 and 2009 where my hair is really different from now. I also included pictures from 2012, right before and right after the hairdresser to show the difference because she uses sulphates and silicones whereas I have been cone and SLS free since summer 2010. I also included a picture of today, third day hair. I'm still experimenting with the CG method and I really think a protein conditioner like CJ Beauticurls Strengthening conditioner would be perfect. Anyway, just so you know what my hair looks like.

At this point, I think my hair is fine and porosity is still a question mark.

Het probleem van de poedellook - Schrijfmeisje.nl

First picture = today
Second = left 2008, right 2009
Third = left before, right after hairdresser
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Looking for a new low poo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

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Since my hair seems to like Curl Queen so much and since I suspect it's fine, I would like to try a protein treatment. To save some money, I'm thinking about doing a homemade protein treatment. I have searched for recipes and the one I came across most often was one with mayonnaise, honey and egg. Does anyone have any experiences with this? Would you recommend it?
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Looking for a new low poo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
Since my hair seems to like Curl Queen so much and since I suspect it's fine, I would like to try a protein treatment. To save some money, I'm thinking about doing a homemade protein treatment. I have searched for recipes and the one I came across most often was one with mayonnaise, honey and egg. Does anyone have any experiences with this? Would you recommend it?
Originally Posted by Lauraimes
I'd do this one PT recipe - as promised, if I was you. Gelatine is readily available and it's pretty easy.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
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Thanks Kathymack! I'll definitely give it a try this weekend. Hope it works out because gelatin and I are enemies. Every single time I tried to cook something with that stuff turned out to be a disaster. Curious to see how I do when I'm using it for something that is not food.
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Looking for a new low poo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
I tried the gelatin PT today and I don't think I really liked it. The good news is that I finally made gelatin without lumps (so that wasn't the problem), but it was very tricky to apply and most of it fell off my head (this sounds really silly), made the bathtub really slippery and I don't think my hair got a lot of protein from it this way. Thus, it's difficult to say whether it really helped or not.

Also, I received CJ Curl Assurance Gentle Cleansing Shampoo today (I'm so happy I'm low-pooing again! Really liked the shampoo) and CJ CCCL. usually, after washing (or waterspraying) my hair, I apply CJ CQ to soaking wet hair, plop for 45-60 minutes (I know most people can plop for only 15 minutes but that doesn't work for me) and after that, I scrunch in a little CQ. Today, I used CCCL before plopping (fingercombing it through my hair) and CQ only after plopping (scrunching). My hair is still drying but it looks nice so far, so I'm curious to see the result when it's dry!

I was wondering btw... The shampoo bottle says something about slip but I can't really find a translation. Can anyone explain me what slip is or means or how I can observe it?
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Looking for a new low poo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number

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