Is anyone else's hair only curly when styling products are added?

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Here's an example from yesterday - I love my curl pattern but I can picture it doing this only a few more inches down my back & I'd be a happy camper lol. I just don't like the length & layers right now. This style works for me when it's short & angled. Now it just feels shaggy.

I was eating my bangs here lol, I'd pulled them aside to fix them separately.

Is anyone else's hair only curly when styling products are added?-imageuploadedbycurltalk1364516258.920453.jpg
fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
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Here's an example from yesterday - I love my curl pattern but I can picture it doing this only a few more inches down my back & I'd be a happy camper lol. I just don't like the length & layers right now. This style works for me when it's short & angled. Now it just feels shaggy.

I was eating my bangs here lol, I'd pulled them aside to fix them separately.

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Originally Posted by lcl0706
Not to totally disregard your feelings (I'm tots about to do that), but you look like a hair model for curly mid length hair. I see NOTHING shaggy about it, absolutely nothing to dislike or complain about .
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instead of asking: "Is anyone else's hair only curly when styling products are added?" the question should really be "is anyones hair really truly pin straight without styling product and/or heat appliances and chemical straighteners added?"

then we would get to the real state of affairs. If everyone else's hair was so perfectly and effortlessly straight as is implied, then where is the need for curling irons, perms, flat irons etc? I think almost everyones hair has some bend to it if left in it totally 100% natural state. We are probably all curlies to some degree. Even people who have lovely shiny glossy silky straight hair usually give it a helping hand to have it look that way. There is no stigma attached to them for their efforts to keep their hair 'neat and tidy' with these chemicals, sprays and smoothers and appliances but there seems to be a double standard that curlies are only curlies if they do nothing to their hair and that it should be curl perfection right out of bed. My question is, are straighties really straight right out of bed themselves? No they are not, plenty of round brushes and blow dryers and curling irons, flat irons putting a drain on the electrical grid every single morning not to mention the serums, sprays and other gook they use to give the impression that their hair is "naturally straight". I beg to differ, so what are a few styling products in comparison, for curlies to manage their hair? Most of us don't use high heat and tortuous tools to manage our hair. We are virtUous in comparison to the damage inflicted by the straighties...

JMO, happy days everyone.
Originally Posted by Ondulee
I love this.
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I don't see any real difference between a certain amount of styling products and shampoo/ co-wash plus conditioner, very few of us have truly natural hair say water-only washing with maybe a touch of an easy extract fruit oil like red palm or olive (humans have been oiling their hair for millennia), no heat styling ever. I don't even count baking soda and vinegar as natural, there is no plant they come right off, processing is relatively complex.

Very few of us get natural clumps, unless our hair is very healthy and virgin, and we eat a completely natural wholefood diet, never touching anything processed or packaged with more than one ingredient. Let's not forget that many of us expose our hair to central heating or air conditioning in the home, workplace or car, that is not natural either!

Coconut oil and honey soaks make my curls bounce up without styling product, if I didn't damage my hair with box dye (so not natural!) I'd have a lot better clumps from that. I can see them trying to emerge ....
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 05-24-2013 at 03:15 PM.
Regarding diet and natural hair. I totally agree that a good diet is needed for healthy hair. I followed the paleo diet for a year and saw no difference in clumping in my product free hair. The overall condition was good though, very shiny and strong. Although, during part of that time, I was also transitioning off of sulfates and silicones and lo-pooing (before I knew what CG was)
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3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
RO/LI:
YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG




Last edited by Julesonline; 05-24-2013 at 07:35 PM.
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Yes I'm all about a good diet. BUT let's not get me started on that. My co workers already get on me for my not eating anything that doesn't contain real unprocessed food, preferably organic and definitely non GMO, ingredients lifestyle. My body is my temple yo.
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Yes I'm all about a good diet. BUT let's not get me started on that. My co workers already get on me for my not eating anything that doesn't contain real unprocessed food, preferably organic and definitely non GMO, ingredients lifestyle. My body is my temple yo.
Originally Posted by Jessiebanana
Jessie,

Actually, it was my eating habits of no processed foods, organic, grass-fed meats, etc. that led me to this forum! I googled natural hair care as I figured i was cleaning up my insides, I should do the same for my hair and skin. I found FSG recipe on this site and the rest is history! LOL
JulesOnline

3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
RO/LI:
YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



I don't see any real difference between a certain amount of styling products and shampoo/ co-wash plus conditioner, very few of us have truly natural hair say water-only washing with maybe a touch of an easy extract fruit oil like red palm or olive (humans have been oiling their hair for millennia), no heat styling ever. I don't even count baking soda and vinegar as natural, there is no plant they come right off, processing is relatively complex.

Very few of us get natural clumps, unless our hair is very healthy and virgin, and we eat a completely natural wholefood diet, never touching anything processed or packaged with more than one ingredient. Let's not forget that many of us expose our hair to central heating or air conditioning in the home, workplace or car, that is not natural either!

Coconut oil and honey soaks make my curls bounce up without styling product, if I didn't damage my hair with box dye (so not natural!) I'd have a lot better clumps from that. I can see them trying to emerge ....
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
How do you do your EVCO/honey soaks?
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
So some of us are a bit more on the "unnaturally curly" side. Its weird that we think about this - I do too. But LOTS of things aren't natural. Lip stick, cute sandals, nail polish - these things make me feel groomed and pulled together. I don't feel like a fake for wearing lipstick. Why is hair any different?

I wonder if my hair is "really" curly or just curling because of product. And then I wonder why I am wondering about this. Maybe it's cognitive dissonance? There isn't much about female beauty in modern society that's truly natural. Sites like this heavily promote natural beauty, then sell us one product after the other to achieve it and use photoshopped supermodels to show us what we are supposed to look like. For me, "naturally" curly is just too damn much pressure. I need gel. And a diffuser. And a microfiber towel. And conditioner. And regular trims. Etc, etc, etc.......
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2b/2c ( weather permitting - 3a), fine texture but lots of it, colored and highlights, BSL.
Experimenting w CG since Oct 2012

Current rotation:
cowash= TN
AG Gel Mousse, LA Gel,
DT = Coconut oil (love)
How do you do your EVCO/honey soaks?
Originally Posted by Jas76
Either melted in the microwave then straight on fairly clean dry hair (no stylers), or blended with some cheap light CG conditioner (Inecto) and applied to co-washed damp hair or after a hydrolysed protein treatment has been rinsed off.

Chuck my hair in a shower cap, sometimes a turban towel on top to retain the heat of the head, leave overnight or even up to 24 hours. Sometimes the next day I take the cap off for an hour or two and leave the conditioner mix to partially 'dry' on my head, on the basis as water molecules leave my hair fatty acids might take their place. All depends on what commitments I have, what mood I am and how much help I think my hair needs.

If I used shampoo I would worry less about leaving so long, shampoo can lift the cuticle which can aid penetration at the point of washing out. And if I was not single I might be less willing to sleep in a shower cap!!

HTH.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
My hair is like this too, well, I can't really ever call it curly, because it's not. I can get it to a 2c with lots of work, but usually product gives me a 2b where conditioner only leaves me at a 2a, which is what I'm doing right now thanks to my dead ends. Although actually, the healthy, wavier parts of my hair could easily be 2b. So I really don't know, I'll see when it grows out more. Also if I use products that don't work for me, even the healthy, curlier parts go straighter. I don't think it's cheating, my mom has stick straight hair and she can use all the gel in the world and her hair won't go curly. I think a lot of 2s have fine hair and it's harder to hold a curl.
Also, another poster mentioned that if you get rid of the poof that'll make it appear curlier, and she's absolutely right! Sometimes my hair would just be a big poof ball that looked pretty straight from far away, but upon closer investigation it was actually a bunch of completely undefined waves that instead of sticking together just all frizzed out. I put in some coconut oil and curl creme and voila! Waves! Without any scrunching too, they were there all along, just invisible.
Just starting CG! 5-13

2A, fine, dense, high porosity, highlighted

low-poo: Leonor Greyl bain vitalisant b*
co-wash: CJ smoothing*
RO: ^, SS Caitlin's*
DT: CJ rehab
LI: CJ rehab
stylers: CJ CCCC*
oils: coconut


*experimenting
HG

loves: aloe, oils, esp. coconut
hates: acv, baking soda
on the fence about polyquats

Last edited by mermaidwaves; 05-25-2013 at 12:33 PM.
Without product my head is basically just frizz

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