$2500 spent and still no HG...

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At the same time I bought the mineral oil I also bought the fast grow Coconut Oil (or whatever Palmers calls it)--of course I then read it has protein and I'm afraid to try it so for now it's in the donate bin. I'm terrible about returning stuff.
Originally Posted by Naturally_Curly
I'm not sure about "fast grow Coconut Oil" or that particular product, but if you get extra virgin coconut oil there is no protein. It's just the oil. It's been removed. I like Nutiva's coconut oil or trader Joe's. Both work well for me and I'm protein sensitive.

As for returning stuff, I see this a lot with people who don't like to return things for some reason. Some just don't care but plenty of people I know are intimidated. The store managers and employees honestly don't care and they'll let you return most things. Oftentimes I'll purchase something, decide I don't like it after a use or some reflection, and just bring it back. The other day my friend spilled something on her brand new top from H&M and was afraid to go exchange it. I'm all, "I'll do it." So I went in, said "Can I get another of these and do an equal exchange?" No questions asked. And if you think about it we both give that store so much business on a regular basis and have done so for years. Because they're good to us in the returns department I think we'll be frequenting it more often. Sorry, off on a tangent. But please go return that oil if you can. You've spent $2500 so far. You're entitled to some money back.
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3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Here are my hair photos--please don't be too harsh on my hair. We're trying to get along with each other, find the right combination of products. Plus, my hair gets it's feeling hurts easily--then it is nothing but frizz for the rest of the day--I'm totally kidding

For some reason my bathroom lighting makes my hair look washed out and very dry. It feels smooth and well conditioned, but I admit, my hair can always use more conditioning.

I used the CJ low-poo, CJ Daily fix condish, KCKT as a LI and CJ CIAB for styling. My hair is just so-so--I know the styling product could be a lot better. I always have too much clumping here and there, so I had to break apart some pieces which causes my hair to go crazy--as you can see. I'm better off to not touch it once dry--but something did have to be done about the weird clumps. I think it will be okay (aka look better) if I wet it down and scrunch it.

The top of my hair is a lot straighter than the rest--always has been that way. Next wash I am going to try using different products for the top and see if I can get a bit more curl going there--instead of the "what in the heck did you do to your hair wave" I have going on now....lol.
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2C and 3A. Fine to Medium texture/Low Porosity/Medium Elasticity/MediumDensity. Looking for my HG products!

Because I have fine hair, the gel made it super-clump in a lovely way, but then I scrunched softly to make the curls a little "fatter" so I didn't look like I just had super-defined ropes. My fine hair can form like, eight super-curls and leave me looking really funny if I don't keep it softer and a bit less rigidly defined.

Good luck with the routine today! I'm curious to hear what happens. I'm getting my first dry curly cut tomorrow and I'm really excited to see the results.
Originally Posted by bosanbo
I swear we have the same hair--8 super defined ropes of hair sound very familiar! This is exactly what I mean by too clumpy and this is what gel does to me if I use too much. All clumps and no volume either.

I just bought and olive oil treatment but since your hair doesn't really like that, maybe I'll get some of the raw coconut your hair likes. I swear I just had my hand on it the other day, about to put it in my cart, then didn't. Drats! I'll buy it this weekend.

Good luck with your dry, curly hair cut tomorrow. Is it possible to get before and after photos while you are sitting in the stylists chair????? You know, for your friends here on the forum and all.
2C and 3A. Fine to Medium texture/Low Porosity/Medium Elasticity/MediumDensity. Looking for my HG products!
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I'm not sure about "fast grow Coconut Oil" or that particular product, but if you get extra virgin coconut oil there is no protein. It's just the oil. It's been removed. I like Nutiva's coconut oil or trader Joe's. Both work well for me and I'm protein sensitive.

As for returning stuff, I see this a lot with people who don't like to return things for some reason. Some just don't care but plenty of people I know are intimidated.
Originally Posted by Naturally_Curly
Alrighty, dusalocks coconut oil is back on my list! I read good things about it and I think my hair will love the extra moisture! I'm so glad to know about the protein--thank you!

On the returns--eh, just call me one of those who would rather not bother with it. Digging thru receipts, standing in line--uggghhh, they just aren't on my top 10 list of things to do on any day. I'm really not lazy--I work crazy long hours (luckily, I work for home), so any free time is very limited....sigh.
2C and 3A. Fine to Medium texture/Low Porosity/Medium Elasticity/MediumDensity. Looking for my HG products!
I never used hair products until I started lurking on nc.com.

I don't really think the products not working is because they cause build up with continued use. It has to do with your hair getting "bored" of them. (Don't know what the science would be.)
Originally Posted by kathymack
Lucky you, kathymack! I've always used some type of hair product. Actually, I'm not even sure what my hair looks like if I don't use it (frizz more than likely)..... Now that I've been lurking on nc.com I am obsessed with hair products. I mean, really...I might have to start hiding my stash or else my family might actually think I have some kind of a problem....YIKES! I haven't gotten to the point that I stop another curly in the street to ask what she is using though.

I have no idea what the science is, but switching products always gives me better hair. I wonder if it's possible to find a few different HG products. Hmmmm....
2C and 3A. Fine to Medium texture/Low Porosity/Medium Elasticity/MediumDensity. Looking for my HG products!
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Lucky you, kathymack! I've always used some type of hair product. Actually, I'm not even sure what my hair looks like if I don't use it (frizz more than likely)..... Now that I've been lurking on nc.com I am obsessed with hair products. I mean, really...I might have to start hiding my stash or else my family might actually think I have some kind of a problem....YIKES! I haven't gotten to the point that I stop another curly in the street to ask what she is using though.

I have no idea what the science is, but switching products always gives me better hair. I wonder if it's possible to find a few different HG products. Hmmmm....
Originally Posted by Naturally_Curly
It wasn't luck, I didn't know any better!

It's easy to become obsessive when you first start on nc.com. You want to try everything that's discussed. Eventually, you become more discriminating--when you learn what your hair likes.

Don't worry, you'll find lots of products that you like. Gets to the point that you feel really fickle for switching your loyalties. It's really easy to become a product strumpet!
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I feel you OP. It took quite sometime and dollars to get to my holy grails. But what I found is if I do a deep clarification before trying any new products and then giving the products at least a month to see how they work on my hair.
*Natural 3C*
Wash: Liquid African Black Soap, BS/ACV
Conditioner: SM SB, YTCarrots, Organix Coconut Milk
Pre-Poo: Honey & EVOO
DC: AOHR
PT:
Super Mayo Deep Conditioning Treatment
Moisturizer: CURLS Souffle
Leave-In: KCKT
Gel:
KCCC, Eco Custard
Oil/Sealant:
SB, EVCO, EVOO
I don't know... I think your hair looks pretty nice in those photos! I mean, really, really nice. To me. Obviously it may have a weird feeling/texture to it that you don't like, but it has root curl and definition. It looks lovelier than a lot of frizzy messes I've seen (including on my own head, thank you hair brushes).

Your ends curl way better than mine. I got an awful (I mean truly awful) razor cut in January and my ends go all feathery and straight right now. Hopefully they won't after tomorrow's cut.

An update: that Garnier gel is definitely good for my hair. I tried something different today and it's nowhere nearly as nice. I almost got 2nd day curls this morning from applying the Garnier stuff yesterday, too - which never happens. So it's good for me, at least.

Your hair might love olive oil and hate coconut. Won't know until you try. But I'd stick with the basic oils from the grocery store and avoid "hair" versions at first, both to save money and avoid unecessary ingredients. Who knows, maybe 50/50 of each will work wonders for you, personally!
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I'm mostly away doing field work through mid-May.

Hair: curlybob, fine, dense, low-po, big waves/ringlets (2C/3A)
Co-Wash: Nature's Gate Herbal Conditioner
RO: YTC Carrot, Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: BS Shea Soft Styling Cream (HG)
Styling: KCCC, Garnier P&C Gel
1xWeek: low-poo, gelatin PT or Joico K-Pak
Hair Likes: aloe, coconut oil, humidity, protein, long walks on the beach
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I've heard great things about the homemade flax seed gel, but honestly I just don't have time to make it. I'd rather buy it. Was Botticelli Botanicals the one that had a flaxseed product that a lot of members like? Seems like I had that in my notes somewhere.
Originally Posted by Naturally_Curly
See that's what I thought too which is why I put off making it for months. However, I just made my third batch the day before yesterday and as always it took 10 minutes. I think it's worth it because you save a lot of money making it yourself and you can customize it. It's also empowering. Especially for a product junkie such as myself. There's nothing worse than buying a product that works for so many other people and doesn't work for you. Worst feeling in the world. At least with flax seed gel if it doesn't work you're out 10 minutes and maybe $1 for the flaxseeds you bought. And you can try try again to achieve the right consistency.
Originally Posted by dusalocks
Yeah and it's also the type of product that goes bad, so if you buy it from her there is a bit of time you'll use keeping it preserved. You'll have separate some to use and free/refrigerate the rest.
I think your hair looks beautiful! Looks like that $2500 is doing you good.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
I don't know... I think your hair looks pretty nice in those photos! I mean, really, really nice. To me. Obviously it may have a weird feeling/texture to it that you don't like, but it has root curl and definition. It looks lovelier than a lot of frizzy messes I've seen (including on my own head, thank you hair brushes).

Your ends curl way better than mine. I got an awful (I mean truly awful) razor cut in January and my ends go all feathery and straight right now. Hopefully they won't after tomorrow's cut.

An update: that Garnier gel is definitely good for my hair. I tried something different today and it's nowhere nearly as nice. I almost got 2nd day curls this morning from applying the Garnier stuff yesterday, too - which never happens. So it's good for me, at least.

Your hair might love olive oil and hate coconut. Won't know until you try. But I'd stick with the basic oils from the grocery store and avoid "hair" versions at first, both to save money and avoid unecessary ingredients. Who knows, maybe 50/50 of each will work wonders for you, personally!
Originally Posted by bosanbo
Thank you, bosanbo! I actually had great hair 3 days in a row with a new routine I tried! Yay! I'm going to wash it today so I can try a few new products I picked up over the weekend.

I also want to try to deep condition today with the Coconut Oil. I'm not sure how much to use or what to mix it with so I am going to poke around here a bit for recommendations.

How was your haircut? Do you like it??????
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2C and 3A. Fine to Medium texture/Low Porosity/Medium Elasticity/MediumDensity. Looking for my HG products!
I think your hair looks beautiful! Looks like that $2500 is doing you good.
Originally Posted by chloe92us
Thanks, Chloe92us!

I need to take a few more photos because my hair looked really good this weekend and I got tons of compliments. I actually thought back to my curly days to remember what I liked about my hair then and what exactly I was using and how I styled it and doing this seems to have improved how my hair looks.
2C and 3A. Fine to Medium texture/Low Porosity/Medium Elasticity/MediumDensity. Looking for my HG products!
I love my haircut, thank you for asking! It didn't get a lot shorter (a good thing) but the shape is sooooo much better, and I don't have weird octopus tendrils hanging down from the lowest layer.

As for coconut oil, I don't mix it with anything. I spoon out a palmful from the same jar I use for cooking (always spoon, to avoid contamination, especially if you eat it too!), rub it between my palms to melt it, and slather it on my hair. I repeat until my hair feels saturated. When my hair is dry, it takes a lot more oil. I just give it as much as it seems to need, and then give myself a nice scalp massage before wrapping it up in a turban and going to sleep.

Congrats on getting closer to a good routine!
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I'm mostly away doing field work through mid-May.

Hair: curlybob, fine, dense, low-po, big waves/ringlets (2C/3A)
Co-Wash: Nature's Gate Herbal Conditioner
RO: YTC Carrot, Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: BS Shea Soft Styling Cream (HG)
Styling: KCCC, Garnier P&C Gel
1xWeek: low-poo, gelatin PT or Joico K-Pak
Hair Likes: aloe, coconut oil, humidity, protein, long walks on the beach
I'm glad you like your new haircut! I'd love to see before and after photos.

Today I tried the SM smoothie for deep conditioning--I should have known to stay away from it because the protein because it didn't do a thing for my hair at all. Absolutley no difference, and in fact, it felt a bit dry, which is what protein does to my hair.

The good news is that I found a new LI (insert singing angels here) which is CJ Smoothing Lotion. My hair responded really well to it (it feels soooo silky and soft) and it is slightly more moisturizing than the KCKT. I'm definitely switching to it for Winter than I'll go back to the KCKT for Summer.

Thanks for the tips on the coconut oil, bosanbo. I'll try it later this week and remember to use a spoon.
2C and 3A. Fine to Medium texture/Low Porosity/Medium Elasticity/MediumDensity. Looking for my HG products!
I posted about my haircut on the thread where I found the stylist. It's right here. Pictures will happen once I get over the first few days of having it, a.k.a. the new cut learning curve. I put in too much product today - less hair to wrangle!
I sort of blog
I'm mostly away doing field work through mid-May.

Hair: curlybob, fine, dense, low-po, big waves/ringlets (2C/3A)
Co-Wash: Nature's Gate Herbal Conditioner
RO: YTC Carrot, Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: BS Shea Soft Styling Cream (HG)
Styling: KCCC, Garnier P&C Gel
1xWeek: low-poo, gelatin PT or Joico K-Pak
Hair Likes: aloe, coconut oil, humidity, protein, long walks on the beach
OK, so... before and after... Bearing in mind that this before picture would not see the light of day, otherwise!

The bottom layer was really loose and wavy due to being all thinned and cut oddly. Now it curls as much as my top layer. Also, the front sections don't separate into their own little chunks anymore, which you can see really clearly in the first photo. She didn't cut the top layer much, especially around my face, just trimmed it to encourage the curls to "marry" more, as she put it.
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I sort of blog
I'm mostly away doing field work through mid-May.

Hair: curlybob, fine, dense, low-po, big waves/ringlets (2C/3A)
Co-Wash: Nature's Gate Herbal Conditioner
RO: YTC Carrot, Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: BS Shea Soft Styling Cream (HG)
Styling: KCCC, Garnier P&C Gel
1xWeek: low-poo, gelatin PT or Joico K-Pak
Hair Likes: aloe, coconut oil, humidity, protein, long walks on the beach
Wow, what a difference bosanbo! Your hair is so pretty! Is it always evenly curled now, or does that change with different styling methods? I have a really almost wave-less underlayer, nice curls in the middle, and my top layer is dry, frizzy and in between. I cut my own hair, and like it better than going to my non-curly stylist, but I'm certainly no professional.
curl type: 2c/3a
porosity: low
hair strand width: medium
density: thick
elasticity: low-normal
Shoulder length


Ready to get back on the CG bandwagon!
Aw jeez, thanks! I always feel like it is too flat on top, but at least since doing CG I have root curl...

It has been even, whether more in ringlets or more in waves (I'm getting overmoisturized) since I got the cut, so that's about a week. I don't know how she did that, but it is even all over.

I've never been able to cut my own hair. I'm like an animal that sees itself in the mirror and can't figure out why that other animal is copying it. I always move my hand the wrong way and get disoriented!
I sort of blog
I'm mostly away doing field work through mid-May.

Hair: curlybob, fine, dense, low-po, big waves/ringlets (2C/3A)
Co-Wash: Nature's Gate Herbal Conditioner
RO: YTC Carrot, Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: BS Shea Soft Styling Cream (HG)
Styling: KCCC, Garnier P&C Gel
1xWeek: low-poo, gelatin PT or Joico K-Pak
Hair Likes: aloe, coconut oil, humidity, protein, long walks on the beach
I don't think it looks too flat at all! I thought I'd never cut my own hair, but after some not so great haircuts I figured I could at least do better than that, and I liked how it turned out. I'm considering saving for a dry cut from a recommended stylist though, to see if they can give me a cut to help even out my curl pattern.
curl type: 2c/3a
porosity: low
hair strand width: medium
density: thick
elasticity: low-normal
Shoulder length


Ready to get back on the CG bandwagon!
It looks great, bosanbo! Very healthy looking!

My hair goes flat on top too, so I use the root clips which makes a HUGE difference. Have you tried those yet? I also find diffusing makes a big difference in the amount of volume I get (on top) and in general too.
2C and 3A. Fine to Medium texture/Low Porosity/Medium Elasticity/MediumDensity. Looking for my HG products!

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