do you get better curl formation using the deva styling tips?

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I went for a deva trim yesterday and yes, she did use more product than I usually use but I have great second day hair with what she did. Now I need to see if I can do the same and get the same results.
Do some of you get better curls if you add product in soaking wet hair upside down and scrunch it in and then place curls in place and either diffuse dry or let dry naturally? Actually she also used a microfiber towel to get a bit of excess dripping water out after she added product but my hair was still really wet before she set me under the dryer.
I have been combing my soaking wet hair too but she never used a comb, just her fingers. She said the comb would disrupt the pattern. And I can see how that would be. right now I have tight Shirley Temple type curls and when I do it my old way by combing, I get more wavy hair.
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Product in soaking wet hair + gentle scruching + no combing + squeezing with a MF or floursack towel = absolutely better curls for me. 100% better.

Things that break up my curls and stretch them out into waves: combing, brushing, touching/running fingers through it, running product through it while it is half dry, etc. So once I learned to do all styling with very wet or soaking wet hair, I (seemingly) got a whole new head of hair.
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Co-Wash: Nature's Gate Herbal Conditioner
RO: YTC Carrot, Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: BS Shea Soft Styling Cream (HG)
Styling: KCCC, Garnier P&C Gel
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I think a lot of Deva stylists put enough product on the hair that even straight hair could curl. Sorry, I just dont like that "load the client up on products" approach. I used to go to a salon that had many Deva trained stylist, and when I walked out I could not wait to go home and wash all the products out of my hair, I could not believe how much they used. My hair felt like cotton candy, like it was glued in place. No thanks. Sorry if I am off topic.
I get MUCH better clumps if I scrunch in products in soaking wet hair. I can't do it upside down, though. It makes my hair loose the clumps.
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I agree with Myrna - loading up is the thing that I avoid. I have fine hair. I think adding lots of product might work well for coarser/more porous hair than mine and really "tame it down," and the Deva technique might help people who have been afraid to do that in the past... But yeah, amount of product probably varies wildly.
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I'm mostly away doing field work through mid-May.

Hair: curlybob, fine, dense, low-po, big waves/ringlets (2C/3A)
Co-Wash: Nature's Gate Herbal Conditioner
RO: YTC Carrot, Aubrey Organics GPB
LI: BS Shea Soft Styling Cream (HG)
Styling: KCCC, Garnier P&C Gel
1xWeek: low-poo, gelatin PT or Joico K-Pak
Hair Likes: aloe, coconut oil, humidity, protein, long walks on the beach
I wonder if its possible for me to take my own products for my next deva. Or maybe I should just take the plunge everytime cause I love how my hair looks after! I love the cuts juat not the whole deva products thing being shoved down my throat. They uses globs of product and I feel like their not gentle at all. Then I get stuck under a dryer forever and I hate the heat use thing. Idk I'll ask um next time.

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I've never had my hair done by a stylist. I would love to have a Deva trained specialist style my hair just for the experience. I cannot style my hair soaking wet, just doesn't work for me. I can leave in lots of conditioner though, just like Lorraine Massey advices, as long as I either plop or scrunch with a MF towel or T-shirt first and Then I can add my Stylers and re-plop or scrunch with a MF/T-shirt. Everyone is different though. I have also tried styling my hair like the Jessicurl demos in sopping wet hair....uh NOT for me either.

Although, this makes me wonder if I'm just not adding enough styling products to my hair when trying that method and that's why it doesn't work for me??? Hmmm, you have me wondering. I believe I will experiment a little more with this method.
Note to self: add more product to sopping wet hair.

I say do what works for you. One great thing about NC.com is how curlies share their experiences, favorite products and techniques and that's how we all eventually and hopefully find what works for us individually.
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Last edited by Curlsnswirls; 03-29-2013 at 03:39 PM.
Ok so I gave this method/technique another shot today. I left most of my rInse out conditioner in my hair, scrunched with a MF towel slightly and applied gel (Mop Top med hold) as instructed in the CG book. Smoothed gel on top and bottom and scrunched in lots of gel all over. I diffused about 85%, air dried and SOTC. Results? My hair turned out great!!!!! It's shiny, clumpy, defined and much curlier than usual! It looks more 3b than 3a. wow, I'm in shock.
Apparently when I've tried this method before, I had not been using enough gel .

So....now I shall try this with different products. Hopefully second day hair is good.

For those that have success with this method/technique, what are your favorite products?
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3a (normal-porosity/elasticity/density)
Cleanse: CHS TS+oil, poo bars, Sevi pumpkin poo, Co-wash
LI/RO:MD RCLI, GDLI-GVPCB, DB pumpkin, Tresemmé Naturals
Stylers: LALSG, Volumax styling, CHS CK, BRHG, KCCC, Gel-les'C, JC Spiralicious, AOMM, FSG, SSCEJ

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yes, putting gel in soaking wet hair, blotting with Sham-wow and scrunching more gel in has given me much improved curls
I considered buying Deva products but did some research here and have been using Garnier Pure Clean gel. Good results and it's cheap.
I am like you as I just got my first Deva cut & style in January. I noticed too that he used a lot of gel (4 gobs). I started doing that with the Deva product and my hair turned out great. But as I have tried to perfect it and used different products, I've had bad days. I used the Angel and not the ArcAngel (am I getting the name right?) It is the one that is not as firm.

For those with wavy hair, do you have better results if you wait 5-10 minutes before you put the gel in?

Does conditioner as a LI weigh your hair down?
Ok so I gave this method/technique another shot today. I left most of my rInse out conditioner in my hair, scrunched with a MF towel slightly and applied gel (Mop Top med hold) as instructed in the CG book. Smoothed gel on top and bottom and scrunched in lots of gel all over. I diffused about 85%, air dried and SOTC. Results? My hair turned out great!!!!! It's shiny, clumpy, defined and much curlier than usual! It looks more 3b than 3a. wow, I'm in shock.
Apparently when I've tried this method before, I had not been using enough gel .

So....now I shall try this with different products. Hopefully second day hair is good.

For those that have success with this method/technique, what are your favorite products?
Originally Posted by Curlsnswirls
So second day hair was.. it looked ok but felt so "producty" I could not stand it . I will experiment more another day when I have time.
3a (normal-porosity/elasticity/density)
Cleanse: CHS TS+oil, poo bars, Sevi pumpkin poo, Co-wash
LI/RO:MD RCLI, GDLI-GVPCB, DB pumpkin, Tresemmé Naturals
Stylers: LALSG, Volumax styling, CHS CK, BRHG, KCCC, Gel-les'C, JC Spiralicious, AOMM, FSG, SSCEJ

$5 off 1st order under $40, $10 off over $40...at iherb use code KEY066
Well, I'm going on about 2 weeks using the deva technique and having great luck so far. I do have fine, thin hair and I use about a large quarter size of the angel in soaking wet hair and leaving in some of the one condition and I'm getting great results. I cannot use the no poo (I use the low poo deva curl) and my hair likes the curl line NOT the care line. The care line seems heavy and my hair feels waxy.
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Natural hair color - dark brunette
Fine, thinish hair/3a, 3b
Well, I'm going on about 2 weeks using the deva technique and having great luck so far. I do have fine, thin hair and I use about a large quarter size of the angel in soaking wet hair and leaving in some of the one condition and I'm getting great results. I cannot use the no poo (I use the low poo deva curl) and my hair likes the curl line NOT the care line. The care line seems heavy and my hair feels waxy.
Originally Posted by Darby
That's great. I'd love for this to work for me. Maybe I'm doing it all wrong or maybe I just haven't found the right combo. Either way I will not give up yet.
I used to use the Deva Care low poo last year and loved it. I'm thinking of trying the DevaCurl one now. I loved the low poo, it was so gentle yet cleansing.
3a (normal-porosity/elasticity/density)
Cleanse: CHS TS+oil, poo bars, Sevi pumpkin poo, Co-wash
LI/RO:MD RCLI, GDLI-GVPCB, DB pumpkin, Tresemmé Naturals
Stylers: LALSG, Volumax styling, CHS CK, BRHG, KCCC, Gel-les'C, JC Spiralicious, AOMM, FSG, SSCEJ

$5 off 1st order under $40, $10 off over $40...at iherb use code KEY066
Like many of us here, I started out with deva products and hated them (except for the Deva foam). I will never no poo - or co-wash. That's me. Also I will never apply product to soaking wet hair - no, no no. And: I air dry whenever possible because no matter how I diffuse, it softens my curls and then I seem to get frizz. It didnt used to be this way but it is now. Also, I rinse out most of my conditioner, and then just add a dab and I mean a dab, about the size of a pea. But, I have that coarse, low porosity hair that does not absorb much - so that is why applying to soaking wet hair makes little difference.
I tried last week waiting before I put the gel in and I am not sure I liked it as much. I had more volume but my curls weren't as defined. I will try again using more gel.

I am curious if using the towel to scrunch instead of the hands helps define better curls?
I scrunch with the towel after I unwrap my hair - which is a very brief time, maybe 5 min - then I scrunch again with the towel after applying products. But very lightly with the towel (Curlease towel).I use my hands to scrunch in product.
I get MUCH better clumps and was very happy with the results.These are exactly what I was looking for.
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I tried this method again today and have to say I'm super pleased!!!

Wow, where do I start? Apparently I was doing it all wrong before. I just hope I can continue to use this method with success.
I did it exactly like the book says and like the demos I've seen and my results were fabulous. I don't have a hooded dryer so I used my diffuser to dry my hair slowly from top to bottom (without touching my curls) for about 5-10 minutes and then after my curls were "set", I pixie diffused. I cleansed with Deva No Poo, conditioned with Darcy's pumpkin seed conditioner (barely rinsed any out after detangling with my fingers), applied about a half palmful of UFDCM as instructed (smoothed on top, bottom and scrunched, scrunched) I scrunched slightly with a MF towel right before applying the UFDCM but my hair was still very wet. The results were fantastic. I definitely got better curl formation. I'm hoping I can get good 2nd day hair.

The key for me was having enough water in my hair so that when I scrunched the gel in, it was distributed well. Also, i had not been using enough gel. I'm so excited this worked for me!!! Great hair even though the weather forecast said I would have "limp" hair.
3a (normal-porosity/elasticity/density)
Cleanse: CHS TS+oil, poo bars, Sevi pumpkin poo, Co-wash
LI/RO:MD RCLI, GDLI-GVPCB, DB pumpkin, Tresemmé Naturals
Stylers: LALSG, Volumax styling, CHS CK, BRHG, KCCC, Gel-les'C, JC Spiralicious, AOMM, FSG, SSCEJ

$5 off 1st order under $40, $10 off over $40...at iherb use code KEY066

Last edited by Curlsnswirls; 04-09-2013 at 09:36 PM.
Swirls, that's good news! How long did you scrunch? I also had a good hair day yesterday. I have found a few things along my journey that works for me.

Yesterday after washing, I applied a dime size amount of Tresemme's Natural as LI. Then I scrunched. Then I applied about dollop of HETT and scrunched. I did this three more times, wringing out the water as I did it. On the top of my head I scrunched to get some lift. I did this with my head upside down. I did not use a towel.

My curls came out nice. I had good volume. When I SOTC I also sprayed a tad of water to pump up the volume. My top stayed in the way it was scrunched.

For me, two things that seem to be working are applying product on soaking wet hair and using lots of gels. Without lots of gel, my hair ends up being wavy. the curls don't last. Anyone find this to be true as well?

Today I am going to try it with HETT to see how it works. I may use three gobs instead of four since there is more hold with it.
I meant to say I am going to use HESMU.

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