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Old 04-05-2013, 12:08 PM   #1
 
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Hey guys. I have been on a quest to find this stuff to incorporate in my FSG but I can't seem to find it on the ground. So then I went online and checked iherb and found this:

Starwest Botanicals, Marshmallow Root, Organic, 1 lb - iHerb.com

There is also this:

Frontier Natural Products, Organic Cut & Sifted Marshmallow Root, 16 oz (453 g) - iHerb.com

Pretty sure this is the right thing. Can anyone confirm before I buy?
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Sorry, don't know anything about buying it in bulk to use in products, but I can say my hair usually likes stuff that contains it. Good luck!
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It's the right stuff. If you want smaller quantity Mountain Rose Herbs | Bulk organic herbs, spices & essential oils
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Aw I love you, Kathymack. It's so nice to have a pro like you on the board. Always at the ready with helpful advice.
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Sorry, don't know anything about buying it in bulk to use in products, but I can say my hair usually likes stuff that contains it. Good luck!
Mine too! I am on a mission to make my own KCCC or the closest I can get my FSG to act like it. If I succeed I shall post my recipe and step by step instructions.
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Sorry, don't know anything about buying it in bulk to use in products, but I can say my hair usually likes stuff that contains it. Good luck!
Mine too! I am on a mission to make my own KCCC or the closest I can get my FSG to act like it. If I succeed I shall post my recipe and step by step instructions.
Here's a thread that might be of interest. Alternative to popular product

When I first started on nc.com, I was really into trying to make my own products. It got to be a VERY expensive proposition! Making things and throwing them away because they didn't work anywhere near as well as the original. I make FSG and Okra Gel because they are easy, work well and are really cheap to make.
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Wow that helps a lot. Merci beaucoup. Yes, since FSG reminds me so much of KCCC now that I perfected the consistency I'm trying to liken the recipes. I still shall always buy KCCC since you can carry it around out of the fridge but still, since I love FSG so much and it is super easy to make I am gonna take a crack at it
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I'd be really interested to know how this works out! My FSG doesn't do a whole lot for my hair.
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So what is marshmallow root supposed to do when added to FSG? Is it for moisture?
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So what is marshmallow root supposed to do when added to FSG? Is it for moisture?

I did a search on it and came up with a few explanations:

Agave and Marshmallow

DIY Homemade Detangler Recipes
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So what is marshmallow root supposed to do when added to FSG? Is it for moisture?
Hold & shine! I'll let cha know if it works out. Ordered my root and am anxiously awaiting it.
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I need to order some too...but or my okra gel...cannot do FSG...but hair is LOVING okra gel...been using BBs...but it is pretty pricey...im just trying to figure out what she uses in hers...she smart not to list all the ingredents used......but im pretty sure she uses at least marshmellow root...
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I need to order some too...but or my okra gel...cannot do FSG...but hair is LOVING okra gel...been using BBs...but it is pretty pricey...im just trying to figure out what she uses in hers...she smart not to list all the ingredents used......but im pretty sure she uses at least marshmellow root...
I think your hair is fairly similar in properties. Here's what I used when I made a lot:

I boiled:

8 c water
1/2 lb okra
1 heaping T burdock root, horsetail, nettle and marshmallow root until the okra started to break down. Strained.

For every cup of okra gel, I added:

1 t magnesium chloride
1/2 t honeyquat
1/4 t Vit E
1/4 t citric acid
1 t Sucragel
1 T aloe gel
1/4 t potassium sorbate
1/2 t guar gum

You could try to make a simple version and see if you like it a little. If you do, then you could invest in the ingredients and make your own in larger quantities.
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I need to order some too...but or my okra gel...cannot do FSG...but hair is LOVING okra gel...been using BBs...but it is pretty pricey...im just trying to figure out what she uses in hers...she smart not to list all the ingredents used......but im pretty sure she uses at least marshmellow root...
I think your hair is fairly similar in properties. Here's what I used when I made a lot:

I boiled:

8 c water
1/2 lb okra
1 heaping T burdock root, horsetail, nettle and marshmallow root until the okra started to break down. Strained.

For every cup of okra gel, I added:

1 t magnesium chloride
1/2 t honeyquat
1/4 t Vit E
1/4 t citric acid
1 t Sucragel
1 T aloe gel
1/4 t potassium sorbate
1/2 t guar gum

You could try to make a simple version and see if you like it a little. If you do, then you could invest in the ingredients and make your own in larger quantities.

Thanks Kathymack...lol...i was hoping you would tell me your secrets...Just wondering if you might be able to estimate of much of agave nectar I might use for some hold?...And since I really dont need any extra moisture...i could omit the honeyquat and aloe gel right?...also what if i might want to use gelatin...would that replace another ingredient??...Ive NEVER made anything with these items...im a basic cook at home...so im hoping i can pull this off...oh and can I purchase samples of the products on the websites you have previously mentioned?...Thank you again Kathymack
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Thanks Kathymack...lol...i was hoping you would tell me your secrets...Just wondering if you might be able to estimate of much of agave nectar I might use for some hold?...And since I really dont need any extra moisture...i could omit the honeyquat and aloe gel right?...also what if i might want to use gelatin...would that replace another ingredient??...Ive NEVER made anything with these items...im a basic cook at home...so im hoping i can pull this off...oh and can I purchase samples of the products on the websites you have previously mentioned?...Thank you again Kathymack
Honeyquat and agave nectar perform the same function, so you could swap that one out. I add the aloe gel because most hair products have it, you could eliminate it.

I have a note at the top of what I did. I put a package of gelatin in 4 cups of okra gel.

You can get most of the herbs at Mountain Rose herbs, don't know about the other ingredients. If you search, you may have a place that has most of it.
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Thanks Kathymack...lol...i was hoping you would tell me your secrets...Just wondering if you might be able to estimate of much of agave nectar I might use for some hold?...And since I really dont need any extra moisture...i could omit the honeyquat and aloe gel right?...also what if i might want to use gelatin...would that replace another ingredient??...Ive NEVER made anything with these items...im a basic cook at home...so im hoping i can pull this off...oh and can I purchase samples of the products on the websites you have previously mentioned?...Thank you again Kathymack
Honeyquat and agave nectar perform the same function, so you could swap that one out. I add the aloe gel because most hair products have it, you could eliminate it.

I have a note at the top of what I did. I put a package of gelatin in 4 cups of okra gel.

You can get most of the herbs at Mountain Rose herbs, don't know about the other ingredients. If you search, you may have a place that has most of it.


Thanks kathymack for your thoughts...I will probably switch out honeyquat for agave nectar...at least for now..and i probably will add aloe gel b/c like you said..it seems to be in everything...do you recommend mag sulfate or can i use Epsom salt instead...they are similar but still have different properties...and will research the other herbs online to see if i can purchase samples or small amounts..i wonder though what is used for the okra gel that i purchased...all the bottle reads is spring water, okra extract, natural thickener and preservatives...
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You guys! Okay now I need to make some okra gel too. How does it compare to FSG? Shelly you mention it's not as clumpy. Does it have more hold while still leaving your hair soft? I like my hair to feel like hair which is why I stay away from hard hold gels. They don't like me.
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You guys! Okay now I need to make some okra gel too. How does it compare to FSG? Shelly you mention it's not as clumpy. Does it have more hold while still leaving your hair soft? I like my hair to feel like hair which is why I stay away from hard hold gels. They don't like me.
I think it's very similar, but easier to make. Of course, I add similar ingredients. I don't use hard hold gels, either, because of the chemicals. Hate my hair to look or feel producty.

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Thanks kathymack for your thoughts...I will probably switch out honeyquat for agave nectar...at least for now..and i probably will add aloe gel b/c like you said..it seems to be in everything...do you recommend mag sulfate or can i use Epsom salt instead...they are similar but still have different properties...and will research the other herbs online to see if i can purchase samples or small amounts..i wonder though what is used for the okra gel that i purchased...all the bottle reads is spring water, okra extract, natural thickener and preservatives...
Epsom salt is mag sulfate. I use magnesium chloride--it's less drying.

If that's all that's listed on the bottle, that's all that should be in it. If your asking for add ins, technically, they should be listed, too. Start out slow. See if you like the basic one you make--you could do spring water and okra, thicken it with something easy and freeze your portions. If you like it, but know if needs a few other things, then you could buy the herbs, preservative, etc.
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You guys! Okay now I need to make some okra gel too. How does it compare to FSG? Shelly you mention it's not as clumpy. Does it have more hold while still leaving your hair soft? I like my hair to feel like hair which is why I stay away from hard hold gels. They don't like me.

lol..sorry but I LOVE okra gel..the FSG just worked to well for clumps and it left my hair very coated feeling...so that’s why I tried the okra gel from BB...I fell it makes my hair "fluffy" but not frizzy..Just light and airy feeling..my hair is soft and shiny...I feel like I have less tangles when I go to wash it...it still can provide clumps but I have to encourage it...not like FSG, which "pulls" your hair into clumps...the hold for okra gel I feel is softer, which is why I like to have agave nectar added for more hold...I think if you have a strong curl pattern you wouldn’t need the extra hold...but with my weak waves, I feel it "sets" my curl pattern...
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thanks kathymack...i think ill do that..that way why add stuff if the basic version works just fine...but i appreciate your help..will probably still look into some addin later...but just want to get started with something...will go to the farmers market next weekend since im off work...and cook up some okra gel...:0
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