Calling all curlies in super humid locations...lets share high dew tips!

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Also I'm scared to try the MO but you ladies are convincing me.
Originally Posted by PomegranateCurl
I say definitely try it!!! You won't need a lot. I used 10 drops on my curly hair and it held up 3 days in the humidity hell that is Miami. And I actually used glycerin underneath! I think if I hadn't used glycerin it may have lasted a few more days. I used 5 drops to seal my straightened hair (long story, stupid boyfriend, wanted "change", meh) and it has held up since Friday. I used plain ol' baby oil. Bottle cost me 2 bucks at Walmart. Best Two Dollars EVER spent.
2C-3A MBL
Medium/fine texture, high density, normal porosity and elasticity

High humidity/high dews, so no to humectants
Current products: SM C&S and YTCukes 'poo, AOHR,
HEHH, LALPS. GF anti humidity hairspray.
Hair loves: protein, scrunching, plopping
Hates: leave-in, raking, aloe, pixie curling



Also I'm scared to try the MO but you ladies are convincing me.
Originally Posted by PomegranateCurl
I'm with you. I might have to give this a try.

I have only been CG during winter months, with dews in the single digits through mid 30s range. Now that the dews are climbing (50s this week; average high is around 70 in summer months), my old combo of plain FSG and LALSG is not working as well.

I don't have more surface frizz or halo frizz or whatever you want to call it. It's more like my clumps don't stay clumped, they slowly expand and lose all definition by halfway through the day. Would this be caused by glycerin/humectants?
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I just wanted to chime back in with my still good MO results. I ended up needing to clarify with a sulphate 'poo because the low'poo just wasn't cutting it to remove the MO. (Less is more with this oil btw!!) I had no frizz but my curls were lazy, and I like big hair so I had to switch up. So I am officially not CG anymore and that's ok because I feel my hair is healthy and the products I use are giving me good results. Now, let's see if I can get through the worst of the summer on the same combo. Now THAT would be some miracle lol.
2C-3A MBL
Medium/fine texture, high density, normal porosity and elasticity

High humidity/high dews, so no to humectants
Current products: SM C&S and YTCukes 'poo, AOHR,
HEHH, LALPS. GF anti humidity hairspray.
Hair loves: protein, scrunching, plopping
Hates: leave-in, raking, aloe, pixie curling



Chloe directed me to this thread after I made an SOS post yesterday concerning humidity and high dew points. I'm stopping by the store after work to buy some MO and trying a sealer tonight! Also looking into ordering the TIGI Amplifier on Amazon if the mineral oil doesn't work.

I looked up my gel and LI and they're both glycerin free and the LI is anti-humectant, so I think I'm covered there.

My biggest concern with the MO is that I like my curls to have lots of volume, so oil has always scared me! Also scared to use it bc my hair already dries at glacial pace, and I can't stay up til midnight waiting on my hair to dry enough for a good pineapple! But I'm willing to sacrifice some volume if I have to for the sake of frizz free curls! I'll update tomorrow with the results..
Mostly 2c
Medium Width, Low Porosity (unsure), and Med-High Density
Frizz is a huge problem for me

Routine currently undergoing maintenance.
Low-Poo: PM Wild Ginger Awapuhi
CO/RO: SN Coconut
LI: GR Sleek & Shine
Mousse: HETT
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Pomade: BedHead Manipulator
DT: Aussie 3 Minute Miracle

Hair Likes: moisture, pineappling, scrunching
Hair Dislikes: raking product in, glycerin
Chloe directed me to this thread after I made an SOS post yesterday concerning humidity and high dew points. I'm stopping by the store after work to buy some MO and trying a sealer tonight! Also looking into ordering the TIGI Amplifier on Amazon if the mineral oil doesn't work.

I looked up my gel and LI and they're both glycerin free and the LI is anti-humectant, so I think I'm covered there.

My biggest concern with the MO is that I like my curls to have lots of volume, so oil has always scared me! Also scared to use it bc my hair already dries at glacial pace, and I can't stay up til midnight waiting on my hair to dry enough for a good pineapple! But I'm willing to sacrifice some volume if I have to for the sake of frizz free curls! I'll update tomorrow with the results..
Originally Posted by naturalblondie88
For best results, use MO sparingly- a little goes a long way. Also, it helps to apply to sopping wet hair.

3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
For best results, use MO sparingly- a little goes a long way. Also, it helps to apply to sopping wet hair.
Originally Posted by Corrina777
I added a few drops of MO to my LI with each section. Probably only used about 5-6 drops.

Plus side of last night's experiment is that my hair feels VERY soft today after the MO sealer. Down side is that I tried raking my gel through my hair for more even coverage and mixed up my routine by adding mousse. My hair looked AWFUL today. I had no clumps/definition, and the bottom length of my hair looked fried for some reason. I guess because of the finger combing. So I'm rocking a ponytail.

I'll try again tomorrow and see how my hair responds to MO with my normal routine!
Mostly 2c
Medium Width, Low Porosity (unsure), and Med-High Density
Frizz is a huge problem for me

Routine currently undergoing maintenance.
Low-Poo: PM Wild Ginger Awapuhi
CO/RO: SN Coconut
LI: GR Sleek & Shine
Mousse: HETT
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Pomade: BedHead Manipulator
DT: Aussie 3 Minute Miracle

Hair Likes: moisture, pineappling, scrunching
Hair Dislikes: raking product in, glycerin
Any MO updates? I'm getting a bit antsy looking for something and it seems like the MO is calling.... Hmmm
Just wanting to add in another aspect into this thread that has yet to be mentioned...the polymers in your gels.

PVP absorbs water in wet humid climates and is not ideal in the really high dews (for my hair that means anything higher than 68 or so). In my ongoing search through Google I have discovered that there have been quite a few advancements in the polymer industry (esp since this article was written, which I refer to often) and the best holding agents in dews 70+ are vp/va copolymer (high 60s) and more importantly vp/dimethylaminoethylmethacrylate copolymer (70+ dews). If anyone is interested I can post some gels that I have found with these polymers, but otherwise I'm betting a lot of you have substantial gel collections , so just look and see what you have.

Living in GA I haven't experienced crazy high dews yet (we're staying around 65-70 right now). I'm pretty free flow with my use of glycerin in my styler (Eco Styler) but not in my leave-ins or any other products. I went to Panama Beach last week for work and the dew was consistently 75+ and I was kicking myself for my excessive use of Eco Styler. My hair was too soft and got frizzier over time because of the lack of hold, so I've seen it first hand (keep in mind my hair's low porosity so others may have a different experience, higher porosity is more sensitive in higher dews). I realized that my hair is cool with glycerin in high dews, but glycerin + pvp is not so great...vp/va copolymer does much better. Did a much needed CJ Repair Me treatment when I got home and my hair was so happy about that lol.

For whatever reason, the natural gels just have not been cutting it for me lately. I really love KMF UM gel but it just disintegrates in this weather, so idk. Works much better for me in the lower dews, 60 and below.

Anyhoo, I am done rambling...Hope this helps someone.
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Last edited by artemis513; 06-30-2013 at 08:41 PM. Reason: clarified a thought
Just wanting to add in another aspect into this thread that has yet to be mentioned...the polymers in your gels.

PVP absorbs water in wet humid climates and is not ideal in the really high dews (for my hair that means anything higher than 68 or so). In my ongoing search through Google I have discovered that there have been quite a few advancements in the polymer industry (esp since this article was written, which I refer to often) and the best holding agents in dews 70+ are vp/va copolymer (high 60s) and more importantly vp/dimethylaminoethylmethacrylate copolymer (70+ dews). If anyone is interested I can post some gels that I have found with these polymers, but otherwise I'm betting a lot of you have substantial gel collections , so just look and see what you have.

Living in GA I haven't experienced crazy high dews yet (we're staying around 65-70 right now). I'm pretty free flow with my use of glycerin in my styler (Eco Styler) but not in my leave-ins or any other products. I went to Panama Beach last week for work and the dew was consistently 75+ and I was kicking myself for my excessive use of Eco Styler. My hair was too soft and got frizzier over time because of the lack of hold, so I've seen it first hand (keep in mind my hair's low porosity so others may have a different experience, higher porosity is more sensitive in higher dews). I realized that my hair is cool with glycerin in high dews, but glycerin + pvp is not so great...vp/va copolymer does much better. Did a much needed CJ Repair Me treatment when I got home and my hair was so happy about that lol.

For whatever reason, the natural gels just have not been cutting it for me lately. I really love KMF UM gel but it just disintegrates in this weather, so idk. Works much better for me in the lower dews, 60 and below.

Anyhoo, I am done rambling...Hope this helps someone.
Originally Posted by artemis513
Yeah Eco styler is pretty much my HG, but it usually stops working at some point in the summer. Runny gels do nothing for me and things like KCCC and flaxseed gel are great for curl formation, but don't have enough hold.

I'm wondering if the Eco styler might be ok if I use a glycerin & pvp free jelly under it. Along with an anti-humectant leave in (Paul Mitchell). Maybe diffuse a bit before leaving the house so it can start to set hard like it usually does.

ETA: Oh can you post some of the polymer gels that have worked for you please?

Last edited by SpiralSpunk; 06-30-2013 at 10:05 PM.
Just wanting to add in another aspect into this thread that has yet to be mentioned...the polymers in your gels.

PVP absorbs water in wet humid climates and is not ideal in the really high dews (for my hair that means anything higher than 68 or so). In my ongoing search through Google I have discovered that there have been quite a few advancements in the polymer industry (esp since this article was written, which I refer to often) and the best holding agents in dews 70+ are vp/va copolymer (high 60s) and more importantly vp/dimethylaminoethylmethacrylate copolymer (70+ dews). If anyone is interested I can post some gels that I have found with these polymers, but otherwise I'm betting a lot of you have substantial gel collections , so just look and see what you have.

Living in GA I haven't experienced crazy high dews yet (we're staying around 65-70 right now). I'm pretty free flow with my use of glycerin in my styler (Eco Styler) but not in my leave-ins or any other products. I went to Panama Beach last week for work and the dew was consistently 75+ and I was kicking myself for my excessive use of Eco Styler. My hair was too soft and got frizzier over time because of the lack of hold, so I've seen it first hand (keep in mind my hair's low porosity so others may have a different experience, higher porosity is more sensitive in higher dews). I realized that my hair is cool with glycerin in high dews, but glycerin + pvp is not so great...vp/va copolymer does much better. Did a much needed CJ Repair Me treatment when I got home and my hair was so happy about that lol.

For whatever reason, the natural gels just have not been cutting it for me lately. I really love KMF UM gel but it just disintegrates in this weather, so idk. Works much better for me in the lower dews, 60 and below.

Anyhoo, I am done rambling...Hope this helps someone.
Originally Posted by artemis513
Yeah Eco styler is pretty much my HG, but it usually stops working at some point in the summer. Runny gels do nothing for me and things like KCCC and flaxseed gel are great for curl formation, but don't have enough hold.

I'm wondering if the Eco styler might be ok if I use a glycerin & pvp free gel under it. Along with an anti-humectant leave in (Paul Mitchell). Maybe diffuse a bit before leaving the house so it can start to set hard like it usually does.
Originally Posted by SpiralSpunk
In my experience, the change would not be to add another styler underneath but to use a richer leave-in product under the gel. (Too many layers esp in the summer for me leads to white hair and build up very quickly and I hate to shampoo so that's a no-go.) So I use hair milks instead of my regular leave-in (example: instead of CJ Beauticurl Argan/Olive, I'd use Camille Rose Milk or CJ Beauticurls LI).

The glycerin is in that gel to help make the PVP more flexible (they are listed closer together in the ingredient list and are just around #4 and 5 if memory serves). Having the emollient barrier is slowing the change down (water molecules penetrate less). Yeah the thinner gels are the ones with the vp/va and vp/dma, but also I have noticed that using a slightly richer leave-in smoothes the curls out so that a thinner gel can do its job. And always on damp hair per the instructions (squeezed out or plopped hair would be the equivalent). Just putting that out there b/c not having glycerin in the styler will give a harder hold so if you try it and don't like it, that's an alternative.

If the hair is sufficiently conditioned/hydrated in the first place it will not grab for the moisture in the air--it will have what it needs going in and the gel is just there to secure everything for the day. That's where having more leave-in that is humectant free is key. So the hair will be soft with the eco gel but will not be dried out. At least this has been my experience.

ETA: I don't consider natural gels to be "gels" but just curl enhancers because they contain no fixative, no polymer like agent to give hold. And therefore they have no use for me, my hair is already defined with conditioner lol. What I need is good hold, since I am lazy and do my hair only a couple of times per week.
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Last edited by artemis513; 06-30-2013 at 10:24 PM.
Just saw your edit. Forgot to mention polyquats are also good in high dews, also proteins, so that's what you'll find below:

AG Styling Jel (that's how they spell it. HG answer to Eco Pink, almost identical base list except vp/va not pvp)

Joico Joigel Medium (+Joigel Firm on top if dews are pushing 70) - just basic acrylates but still good hold

Biosilk Glazing gel
Paul Mitchell Super Clean
Aquage Defining Gel
Ouidad Climate Control (I guess I am modified CG since I like this one but I don't care a/b those things, I just use what works)

Also I have these but haven't tried yet:
HE Set Me Up
Pantene Curly Series

Don't have this one, but recommended by Beauty Brains site:
Tresemme Extra Firm
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Last edited by artemis513; 06-30-2013 at 10:55 PM. Reason: product name correction
So the above gels are good for super high dews, like 70s-80s?
fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
I definitely recommend this article (re-posting from before):
The Nitty-Gritty Details About Hair Gel

Also, I like to refer often to NC's curl product review section because they have all the product ingredients all in one place and you can search for what you need (glycerin-free, protein-free, etc) and we all have different requirements but want good hold, so this should help everyone drill down to what products to check out.
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So the above gels are good for super high dews, like 70s-80s?
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Yep! Of course your mileage may vary...give them a try! I am always interested to read other curlies' experiences w/products that I like, since I have a tighter curl but my hair tends to like what looser curls like...

Edit: I forgot one of my faves! I actually suggest you start with this one first since you need more hold -- Kenra Styling gel, hold 17. (they have one with 17 and one with 23 btw)
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Last edited by artemis513; 06-30-2013 at 11:08 PM.
Just wanting to add in another aspect into this thread that has yet to be mentioned...the polymers in your gels.

PVP absorbs water in wet humid climates and is not ideal in the really high dews (for my hair that means anything higher than 68 or so). In my ongoing search through Google I have discovered that there have been quite a few advancements in the polymer industry (esp since this article was written, which I refer to often) and the best holding agents in dews 70+ are vp/va copolymer (high 60s) and more importantly vp/dimethylaminoethylmethacrylate copolymer (70+ dews). If anyone is interested I can post some gels that I have found with these polymers, but otherwise I'm betting a lot of you have substantial gel collections , so just look and see what you have.

Hope this helps someone.
Originally Posted by artemis513
Thanks so much for posting this, as well as the link to the article. So Helpful! With this new-to-me information I've been trolling ingredient lists for appropriate gels, but a short list from you would be helpful, too. I don't have a huge gel collection, mostly because I haven't had a lot of luck with gel so I hesitate to buy a new one without good evidence it might work.

Thanks again!

edit: just saw the post with a list of products...Thanks!
Beth Started CG May 22, 2013
2C low porosity(?), high density, medium-coarse
Summer dew points: 65 - 75F
  • No-poo: Suave Naturals
  • RO: Matrix Total Results Moisture
  • LI/Sealer: SheaMoisture C&H Style Milk
  • Style: AG Re:coil and Biolage Gelee
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Last edited by BRoberts0107; 07-01-2013 at 06:17 AM.
Thanks artemis513, your posts are very helpful!

Now it makes sense that Aussie Instant Freeze worked ok when Eco Styler wouldn't. I probably need a protein treatment too and I'll see which of those gels I can find soon
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Last edited by SpiralSpunk; 07-04-2013 at 12:11 AM.
Just an update to this thread. We've now had dews in the mid-70s for a couple months (since this thread started), and here is what is consistently working for me:

1- I use a lot less leave-in now (MAYBE a dime sized squirt)
2- still seal with oil
3- hard hold gel is a MUST, and use a lot of it
4- upped the protein to a treatment 1x a week, plus I rotate a protein-rich leave in every other day or so
5- have been doing coconut oil DTs once every 2 weeks or so
6- still using all glycerin-free styling products
7- have stopped using curl creams, and switched to gels only
8- okra gel is still my favorite "middle" product, always topped with a hard hold gel

Good luck curlies!!!!
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
I am really interested in gels that would work really well in 70's + dewpoints and have been trying to find gels with vp/dimethylaminoethylmethacrylate copolymer - preferably one that I already own! So I looked up the ingredients in all the gels in my arsenal and the only one I came up with that has that ingredient is HETT Curl Scrunching Gel. Here are the ingredients: Water, PVP, Laureth 23, Lavandula Angustifolia Flower/Leaf/Stem Extract (Lavender), Jade Plant Extract (Crassula Argentea), Fragrance, Propylene Glycol, VP/Dimethylaminoethylmethacrylate Copolymer, Triisopropanolamine, Carbomer, Methylparaben, DMDM Hydantoin, PEG 12 Dimethicone, Propylparaben, Disodium EDTA

Has anyone found any others???
2C/Fine Texture/Normal Porosity/Normal Elasticity/Very Humid Climate
I definitely recommend this article (re-posting from before):
The Nitty-Gritty Details About Hair Gel
Originally Posted by artemis513
Artemis, THANK YOU for this link!! I know my properties, I know how to choose cleansers, conditioners, and treatments, but stylers have always been the hit-or-miss variable for me. I knew that KCCC was good for me in the winter and that SS CEJ and FHG were good for me in the summer, but I never knew WHY. As soon as I finished reading, I checked the ingredients of the gels I have in the shower right now against the article, and now I know why the Vidal Sassoon one gives me crazy frizz in this humid weather while the Aussie one doesn't. You are a godsend!
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I live in TX & during the summer, which lasts from May to October, so far gel as been my saving grace. (Yes its still in the low 90s in October) I use 2 because I have 2 different textures in my head. Strange but true. For the front (the head band region), I use ampro moisturizing gel & I use Softee conditioning gel for the back. The back is over moisturized & the front is EXTREMELY dry. This is new so I will see how I look in the morning.

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