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Old 04-08-2013, 06:37 AM   #1
 
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Default Calling all curlies in super humid locations...lets share high dew tips!

I live in Florida and the dews will be in the high 60's, low 70's this week. Since starting CG, we've had fairly mild dews and all products have worked. But, over the weekend I had more frizz than usual since the humidity is creeping up now.

How do you adjust your routine/ products for summer humidity?

Do you cut glycerin? If so, what products work for you?
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Old 04-08-2013, 06:43 AM   #2
 
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I still use glycerin, I have incorporated a gel and conditioner that have water soluble silicones.

Mop Top Anti Frizz Soft Hold gel (they have a medium hold too)

Paul Mitchell The Conditioner
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Very very stupid question but: what are dewpoints? And how do I know if I'm having high dewpoints or not?
Does this mean it rains a lot? (probably not? because here in Belgium it's quite rainy)
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Dew points indicate the amount moisture in the air. The higher the dew points, the higher the moisture content of the air at a given temperature. Dew point temperature is defined as the temperature to which the air would have to cool (at constant pressure and constant water vapor content) in order to reach saturation. A state of saturation exists when the air is holding the maximum amount of water vapor possible at the existing temperature and pressure.

When the dew point temperature and air temperature are equal, the air is said to be saturated. Dew point temperature is NEVER GREATER than the air temperature. Therefore, if the air cools, moisture must be removed from the air and this is accomplished through condensation. This process results in the formation of tiny water droplets that can lead to the development of fog, frost, clouds, or even precipitation.

Relative Humidity can be inferred from dew point values. When air temperature and dew point temperatures are very close, the air has a high relative humidity. The opposite is true when there is a large difference between air and dew point temperatures, which indicates air with lower relaitve humidity. Locations with high relative humidities indicate that the air is nearly saturated with moisture; clouds and precipitation are therefore quite possible. Weather conditions at locations with high dew point temperatures (65 or greater) are likely to be uncomfortably humid.
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:13 PM   #5
 
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So far my hair seems to respond to lots of protein and lighter conditioning. I have been low-pooing more often and adding weekly PT treatments. I also added a non CG condish a few weeks ago. I use very little as a leave-in. This week I tried some glycerin in my routine and love the definition but the frizz was massive. I'm going to try experimenting with a protein heavy FSG because the consistency seems similar to lube and maybe I can get the definition I want without the frizz. Finally, everything gets topped off with a hard hold gel. I'm using LALPS which is cheap and easily available. I go through gobs of it, probably 5-6 tablespoons of it but then I have long hair. I'm always back on the boards during summer looking for a miracle lol.
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Very very stupid question but: what are dewpoints? And how do I know if I'm having high dewpoints or not?
Does this mean it rains a lot? (probably not? because here in Belgium it's quite rainy)
Not necessarily. It rains pretty much daily here in Portland and we are lucky to have moderate dew points for the entire year.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:34 AM   #7
 
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I'm in FL so I feel your pain I avoid glycerin in any products I leave in. I use CJ Argan & Olive Daily Conditioner as a leave in, it does have panthenol but no glycerin. I use Super Wet Look gel, it has some hold minus the crunch and no protein, my hair is super thick so I don't need protein.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:59 AM   #8
 
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Here's a rather extensive thread on the subject High Dew Point Product/Support Thread
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Glycerin is a definite no-no. Panthenol doesn't seem to give me problems. That's all I've figured out so far. It seems so many products have glycerin in them though!
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Thank you for the information about dews!
I checked out the frizz forecast for the first time yesterday (I thought it would only work for US but I was very very surprised to see that it also works for my home location in Belgium) and found out that my dews are in the low 40s now, but with 80% humidity (it's still rather cold here, but we're probably going to have a really warm summer), does this mean I will probably have high dew points/high humidity when summer arrives?

And that I therefore "need to" stock up on other products to keep the frizz out? (I always had to battle with frizz... and for some odd reason my hair is always acting less frizzy when I'm not in on a holiday somewhere else... not sure if it has anything to do with humidity though, or if it's just coincidence)
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:31 PM   #11
 
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So far my hair seems to respond to lots of protein and lighter conditioning. I have been low-pooing more often and adding weekly PT treatments. I also added a non CG condish a few weeks ago. I use very little as a leave-in. This week I tried some glycerin in my routine and love the definition but the frizz was massive. I'm going to try experimenting with a protein heavy FSG because the consistency seems similar to lube and maybe I can get the definition I want without the frizz. Finally, everything gets topped off with a hard hold gel. I'm using LALPS which is cheap and easily available. I go through gobs of it, probably 5-6 tablespoons of it but then I have long hair. I'm always back on the boards during summer looking for a miracle lol.


I think this is what I'll eventually be switching to...a protein heavy stylists and treatment..and light conditioners....i have not used gel in several months...but may need to for the horrible FL weather...ugh...going to try to add extra agave nectar to okra gel...but this may make hair sticky in high seas...worth a try
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My hair dose NOT like oils, butters or polyquats Or glycerin in high dews

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Old 04-09-2013, 06:55 PM   #12
 
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I used products today without glycerine, and I still had frizz....I think it's par for the curly course I guess.

PROTEIN: I think I will also try upping the protein (ordered Joiko K-pak and JoiGel today). Will do another AIGirl PT this weekend. I avoided it for a long time when I first started and got OC'd. When I did my first PT, it was an aha moment for me.

SEALING: I'm such a PJ, I haven't been as consistent with sealing as before- so many products to use and experiment with, I was giving myself a "two product limit" per day, and the sealer got dumped in favor of more exciting things. In looking at the thread kathymack supplied, it appears sealing is crucial in high dews.
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I'm in Virginia, where summer humidity is pretty icky, and I have had great luck with a bit of a rich leave in (something CJ, usually CJAO) and a cocktail of SS CEJ and SS FHG. I mix the two in my palm - they have to be mixed first, I can't get good results if I layer for some whackadoodle reason - rake and then scrunch in, and top with a teeny weeny bit of BRHG. I always have great hair when I use this combo in summer, YMMV.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:25 PM   #14
 
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I've had the SS stuff in my cart at curl mart all week but got annoyed that I couldn't combine discounts. I'm so used to free shipping and no sales tax from amazon, I have a hard time ordering elsewhere!

So, the SS combo is that good? I notice we have similar hair props. I also have some CJ stuff in my cart but am so overwhelmed by all the choices. None of her gels sound that great, but i do have CIAB (thanks ShellyRN!) but I'd like to try a nice RO condish, and/or treatments.
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In high dews the ONLY thing that has really, consistently helped me is sealing with mineral oil.
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I think this is what I'll eventually be switching to...a protein heavy stylists and treatment..and light conditioners....i have not used gel in several months...but may need to for the horrible FL weather...ugh...going to try to add extra agave nectar to okra gel...but this may make hair sticky in high seas...worth a try
Shelly,
I'm thinking about this okra gel...could you share the thread with me? I did do FSG with protein over leave-in, then gel yesterday. It held up remarkably well through the humidity and even my martial arts class (outside, in a park, near the ocean). Still though, I am getting the fuzzies today and I was hoping for at least 4 day hair. I know, I know... it is a lot to ask for but I am too lazy for daily styling and I was getting several days when I added a 'cone to my routine.
I miss those days!!!! In the meantime this vid is useful for an elegant alternative to daily washing because it works just fine on messy curls
Easy curly updo hairstyle for medium long hair Wedding prom hair tutorial - YouTube
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In high dews the ONLY thing that has really, consistently helped me is sealing with mineral oil.
And this, I am so trying. I'll be digging up the thread, I'm sold. Either that or I'm shaving my head, and using the hair for fuel
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If you read the thread favorite gel for fine wavy hair...wonderful kathymack provides a link to an older thread on making okra gel....and if you read thread marshmallow root...kathymack gives her recipe...which is awesome of her...its pretty basic...slice fresh okra (horizontal if you want more volume) boil for appx 20mins..then strain...that's pretty much it...I'm starting off with just plain gel...then will add in other ingredients based on what my hair needs...I'm actually thinking of mixing okra and flax 2gether...going to ask kathymack this..she knows all!!!

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My hair dose NOT like oils, butters or polyquats Or glycerin in high dews

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I've had the SS stuff in my cart at curl mart all week but got annoyed that I couldn't combine discounts. I'm so used to free shipping and no sales tax from amazon, I have a hard time ordering elsewhere!

So, the SS combo is that good? I notice we have similar hair props. I also have some CJ stuff in my cart but am so overwhelmed by all the choices. None of her gels sound that great, but i do have CIAB (thanks ShellyRN!) but I'd like to try a nice RO condish, and/or treatments.
For me, nothing beats the SS CEJ/FHG combo in summer. I have no idea what makes it work so well for me and I don't care, as long as they keep making it, lol! Awhile back when SS went offline and there were questions about whether they were still in business, I about had a heart attack. It doesn't do anything for me in winter, though. And like I said before, they only work for me when mixed before applying. Layering gives just meh results. I'm not a fan of Curlmart either, but I'll use them to get SS.

I love, love LOVE CJ condishes, but I have yet to find a CJ styler that works for me. I've tried Aloe Fix, Aloe Fix Lite, and Pattern Pusha - no dice. I got a sample of Curl Queen from Marsha once and it made my hair so stringy and strawlike that it took 3 days and several washes to get it back to normal. CCCC gave me massive frizz. CIAB worked well way back in the day when I mixed it with EcoStyler, but then I had less luck with it. Maybe I'll revisit that one again and do some experimenting. I liked CCCCL when I tried it once, but I liked it more as a leave in than a styler. I've been super frustrated that I haven't been able to make the CJ stylers work, because I know they're quality products, but there you go.
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Rustina- what are your fave CJ condishes? I was looking at the beauticurls RO, Curl Fix, and Smoothing RO. My hair isn't really picky about ingredients.
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Okay, so this morning b4 getting in the shower, i did an inventory of my products to decide what to use today. I pulled out AG:Recoil and noticed it said something like "resists humidity". I hadn't been overly impressed with it in the winter, so haven't used it much.

I co-washed, sealed with Jojoba, put Recoil in soaking wet, brushed with Denman, scrunched in HETT mousse, airdried for 10 mins, then diffused. SOT-minimal-Crunch with JCS N&S as usual. Holy awesome hair day so far! No frizz!
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