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Thanks so much, Turquoise! the only thing that concerns me is the glycerin....as I said, I have not figured that out yet, but my CK has it...down the ingredients list a ways.
seems I am sealing the wrong way... that would explain my frizzyness in perfectly good dews (frizz forecast tells me it's 44 today).
I normally use jojoba oil... I put like 3-5 drops in my hand, spread it over my hands and smooth my hair with it when it is DRY. And I used to think that was "sealing".
It would look greasy for like 2 hours, then it would start to become okish, but once I would leave home it would start to frizz as usual.

So... you should apply it on wet hair?
And only the ends or do you need to smooth your hair with it? And after or together with LI but before gel and mousse, right?

I guess I'm low porosity, dense hair, fine structure, normal elasticity (haven't had the analysis yet, maybe will do it later on)
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Well CK doesn't have many ingredients, so the order the ingredients are in may not mean a whole lot if they are added in close to equal parts.

You said your hair refrizzes when water is added after styling, but that's what glycerin is actively going to be doing all day. Collecting moisture in the air and keeping it close to your hair.

I'm not saying chuck it, but you might want a try a day without it. It can't hurt.

I don't think you're supposed to do ACV more than a couple times a month. I'm actually going to try it for the first time today.

I wouldn't start with baby oil, at least not directly. My hair hates oils alone. I can only tolerate them in products. It gets greasy so quick, even with a tiny amount...except avocado. That oil made my hair so frizzy and fluffy. It was strange.
I took Dusa's advise, and applied AVG to my wet hair after I conditioned, and added a bit of LI. Then I applied CK. It is not raining today, but my hair looks great. Thanks, Dusa! Now, one good hair day does not make a trend, but Ill see if this continues. I dont mind AVG on my hair. And yes, the ACV thing is not something I would do every day - unless I was stuck somewhere with very hard water.
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Dusa, I have some AVG that I can try in the shower like you suggested. I also have a bottle of the SM Coconut Hibiscus shine spray, but Ive not really used it because I dont know exactly what it is for, or how to use it...do you have any thoughts? And, I have had the milk, and the smoothie in my hand so many times I cannot count...but you see, it is my understanding that low porosity hair does not really absorb, and products can kind of "sit" on the hair and just weigh it down (has happened to me) or make the hair greasy...I cant stand that. I also have ReCoil, and could try some of that with the CK....oh dear, I need a drink. Straight up, no pun intended...
Originally Posted by Myrna
I own three products from the Curl & Shine line but that's one of the ones I don't have. My understanding is it is a finishing product used after gel even to make thing set and add shine. I guess it could seal you bc of the oils but it does contain a drying alcohol. (Which is why I didn't buy it.) Oh I also couldn't stand it if something just "sat" on my hair. (Fortunately that has not happened to me since dropping silicones.)

So I understand your frustration/aversion to oils. We are all quirky like that in our own way. (I, for instance, cannot stand the feel of a cotton ball. . . the hell? ) But I guarantee you there are moisturizing oils in many of your products. They are just blended in. So maybe that is what you can do. Take a few drops of oil and blend them in. Maybe you could get a little bottle and set aside some of your Tresemme, mix it with the appropriate ratio of grapeseed, jojoba, mineral oil, shake it up and set that aside as your leave in/sealer?

If oils don't work AT ALL on your low porosity hair then I kind of like Jas' suggestion of adding some AVG to your rinseout. Or to a leave in conditioner. Or even to a spray bottle mixed with water so you can mist your hair. I have another kind of aloe vera that comes in liquid form. (I keep it in the fridge in case I ever burn myself while cooking. Knock on wood!) It's by Aubrey Organics and it's quite runny. A liquid form of aloe vera might be better than the gel to absorb into low porosity hair. I certainly hope your hair doesn't get stripped or frizzy and that you have a better hair day. The idea is AV is supposed to help the cuticle lie flat so stuff won't be getting in. It might also be good to, if you do do it on occasion, do an apple cider vinegar rinse before getting out of the shower.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

I took Dusa's advise, and applied AVG to my wet hair after I conditioned, and added a bit of LI. Then I applied CK. It is not raining today, but my hair looks great. Thanks, Dusa! Now, one good hair day does not make a trend, but Ill see if this continues. I dont mind AVG on my hair. And yes, the ACV thing is not something I would do every day - unless I was stuck somewhere with very hard water.
Originally Posted by Myrna
Kay just read this which renders a lot of what I just wrote moot. Oh well. So happy to learn your hair is doing better and the nasty rain went away! I think I might try this routine of AVG, LI, then CK when I start experimenting with CK. But I don't have the CK yet so today I'm brewing up some brand new flax seed gel so we'll see. Oh the woes of a PJ.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

seems I am sealing the wrong way... that would explain my frizzyness in perfectly good dews (frizz forecast tells me it's 44 today).
I normally use jojoba oil... I put like 3-5 drops in my hand, spread it over my hands and smooth my hair with it when it is DRY. And I used to think that was "sealing".
It would look greasy for like 2 hours, then it would start to become okish, but once I would leave home it would start to frizz as usual.

So... you should apply it on wet hair?
And only the ends or do you need to smooth your hair with it? And after or together with LI but before gel and mousse, right?

I guess I'm low porosity, dense hair, fine structure, normal elasticity (haven't had the analysis yet, maybe will do it later on)
Originally Posted by Neleke
Neleke, I always do it on fairly wet hair with my leave in conditioner and before my gel. I realize I'm coarse and high porosity and live in an arid climate though so what works for me might not work for you.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Yep, Dusa, my curls are soft, springy and well formed. I did not mind using the AVG in the shower at all. Just scrunched it it; and its pretty cheap. At the moment, it seems that it is a good compliment to the CK.
Glad things are working better for you
What brand is the AVG?
I'm still confused, I thought I read somewhere that AVG was somewhat of an astringent?
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Last edited by sheilacurl; 04-10-2013 at 02:14 PM.
I just used CVS brand - I used to have FOTE but I ran out and got tired of going to walmart, as I dont like to patronize them unless absolutely necessary. Aloe vera is from the aloe plant, the "burn plant" that many people keep in their kitchens, I believe it is moisturizing. I think you may be thinking of witch hazel.
I just used CVS brand - I used to have FOTE but I ran out and got tired of going to walmart, as I dont like to patronize them unless absolutely necessary.
Originally Posted by Myrna
I hear ya - can't stand that store either! Ugh.

IIRC, you're in Wisconsin. Trader Joe's has several locations there, & their AVG is quite popular around these parts. I don't know if any TJs are close to you, but it's worth a try.

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Conditioner: Acure Argan Oil & Stem Cell; Desert Essence Shea
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Here's the article that questioned aloe vera's properties:
No-poo Jillipoo: Knights of the aloe vera roundtable

The opening question is "Jillipoo: I've heard aloe vera described as pure moisture, a humectant, a protein, and an astringent. How would you describe it?"

Yay, I'm not crazy! (that I have related it to an astringent)
It would just be nice if I could remember what I read though, lol!

It sounds like aloe vera may act like more of a lighter humectant?
When I first joined nc.com I tried AVG and I hated it. I thought it was drying to my hair. I wonder if I should revisit it? It's the astringency that worries me.

Good comments on this thread - still learning after all these years.
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Well CK doesn't have many ingredients, so the order the ingredients are in may not mean a whole lot if they are added in close to equal parts.

You said your hair refrizzes when water is added after styling, but that's what glycerin is actively going to be doing all day. Collecting moisture in the air and keeping it close to your hair.

I'm not saying chuck it, but you might want a try a day without it. It can't hurt.

I don't think you're supposed to do ACV more than a couple times a month. I'm actually going to try it for the first time today.

I wouldn't start with baby oil, at least not directly. My hair hates oils alone. I can only tolerate them in products. It gets greasy so quick, even with a tiny amount...except avocado. That oil made my hair so frizzy and fluffy. It was strange.
Originally Posted by Jessiebanana
Depends on the hair with ACV rinse frequency. Live Curly Live Free recommends no more than once every 2 weeks, if I recall correctly, but I use their recipe and can ACV rinse once a week without any issues with dryness.
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Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 KLS, Cure Care
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I tried the ACV rinse and it made my hair super shiny. My hair does shine pretty well normally, the one thing it gets right, but this took it to a whole other level. It was also really smooth. So smooth I kept petting it so my hair actually looks frizzier now...oh well, it is my day off.

It dried my hair a bit though so it's certainly not something I would indulge in regularly.
wait, so i have a question. i style my hair with just one product which is gel, which isnt like a moisturising gel or anything, just a strong hold gel which has glycerin. in order to stop my hair reacting with humidity and such, could i seal over the gel with coconut oil? my hair is low porosity
You dont say if your hair is medium, fine or coarse. Mine is coarse and low porosity. I just went through this. Because of the low porosity, my hair does not absorb products, so I think an oil as a sealer would just sit on my hair and make it look greasy. I have been using Aloe vera gel at the suggestion of Dusa, one of the very knowledgeable people here, after my conditioner, and that has given my hair what it needs. I use curl Keeper and just a bit of biotera gel over that. What gel are you using?
fine i think. and its only this garnier fructis strong hold one with cactus extract. in the uk there is an absoulutely pathetic selection of curly hair products/gel, so this is one i found to not have anything bad for curly hair in, apart from the humectants which are only bad in certain weathers. i was wondering though, if i mixed the oil with water and then spritzed it, whether that would still leave my hair looking greasy as its low po. its just that after looking at practically every gel i could find, all have humectants, so to solve this issue i thought it would be a good idea to seal? but im not sure

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