Contradiction in CG-Logic

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Hey there! I've been following this board a long while but haven't registered yet. I've also been following the CG method for about 3 years now, although I modified it. And then I noticed something which I can't really account for. Massey states that you should absolutely avoid gels with alcohol because it's drying out your hair. However, she advocates leaving in your conditioner. Now, have you ever found a conditioner without alcohol?? I know I haven't. And the worst ones are actually the organic ones because they aren't allowed to use chemical preservatives - so most of them are full of alcohol in order to guarantee a certain shelf life.
So I wonder: how could it be good for my hair to leave in all that alcohol in conditioners if it's bad in gels?
As to me, I've stopped leaving in conditioner because it irritates my scalp. The only ones I leave in are the official leave-ins, which Massey dislikes because she claims the others have more benefits; yet interestingly, the leave-ins often are alcohol-free, as opposed to the regular conditioner.
After I noticed that my scalp is irritated with just every conditioner if left in, I started studying the labels because I first assumed allergy. That's when I noticed the alcohol content, and of course that irritates the scalp.
What do others think? Isn't there a logical problem, and could it be that Massey's regimen will also dry out curls but less obviously, as all the conditioner in your hair minimizes frizz?
This thread includes a post from Geek_chic listing what some of the alcohols in conditioners do.
What ingredients make a conditioner cleanse?

I don't think alcohols are generally used as preservatives, they are emollients, emulsifiers, propellants, etc depending on the type. The 'bad' drying alcohols are denatured, isopropyl, ?? You could be allergic to any number of ingredients. Also most people avoid applying leave-ins on or too close to their scalps. Leaving anything occlusive (like oils & butters & silicones) on any skin surface for an extended time is liable to cause irritation.

Just a guess but leave-ins are generally less moisturizing so they include fewer emollients and emulsifiers and so would be less likely to include the alcohols listed in the linked post.
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Last edited by Lynaea; 04-11-2013 at 06:00 AM.
Thanks for the answer! I'm just wondering now: does that mean some alcohols are not drying? But why?
... and secondly: this thread listed some mixed things, like cetearyl alcohol. But as I said, many of the organic conditioners contain plain and simple alcohol!
I edited my answer above a few times.... Not awake yet

Yes, some alcohols act as emollients, etc. I can't remember coming across a conditioner with straight alcohol in it. Is there a specific brand or can you list the ingredients.
Actually, the Aubrey's CO's now list alcohol but the consensus here seems to be that it's part of the fatty acid base (what it used to be labeled) so there's not really as much as it seems? Honestly not sure on that one but lots of CGers use that brand regardless.
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does that mean some alcohols are not drying? But why?!
Originally Posted by tigerlilly
Hopefully one of the curly chemists will have a better answer. But from what I know alcohols can bridge the gap between water and oils so they can act as emulsifiers (ie help water and oil mix). There are also fatty alcohols (and there's overlap) that can be moisturizing because of the fat content. Ooh boy I'm really stretching now, lets hope someone else answers
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PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
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Thank you so much, I appreciate your hard work in the morning !
I do know several brands that have pure alcohol listed in their conditioner labels. But I don't think you will know them - I live in Germany, and those are German brands - Alterra and Alverde, for example, have that.
Well, I'm just confused how alcohol can be an emollient and drying out at the same time and would love some information on that. Are there any chemists around?
If you don't mind that it's a bit technical, this should be helpful: All About Alcohols
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Yes some alcohols are fatty alcohols. You'll notice the same three being used over and over again. If you're ever unsure of the alcohol, google it. Wikipedia pretty much has all them. I would never use a conditioner with a drying alcohol.
Thank you so much, I appreciate your hard work in the morning !
I do know several brands that have pure alcohol listed in their conditioner labels. But I don't think you will know them - I live in Germany, and those are German brands - Alterra and Alverde, for example, have that.
Well, I'm just confused how alcohol can be an emollient and drying out at the same time and would love some information on that. Are there any chemists around?
Originally Posted by tigerlilly
You will find alcohol in most Alverde conditioners (and I guess Alterra, too) because they are made with plant extracts (=plants soaked in a solvent, in this case alcohol, "Weingeist"). Alcohol is a very effective preservative, "organic", tolerated by a wide range of skins and cheap. It's not used as an emollient in this case. If they would just soak the plant in water it would a.) only dissolve a small amout of active ingredients, compared to the method with alcohol and b.) not contain any preservatives, which they need to make the product commercialy available and save to use for their large base of consumers.

I am going to send you some links in German that explain everything in further detail .
2a, fine
Dry scalp, sensitive skin.
Thank you, everyone! Sorry for the late answer, I had a deadline and had to stay off the internet.
So, thank you - I guess, now I understand. But it does seem that those conditioners I mentioned are really not a good idea, as these aren't the fatty alcohols but the bad ones.

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