looking for other 2a/2b/2c/3a for product ideas!!

I did a protein treatment and then a DT and my hair looks fabulous! Pictures to follow!
CG since: 2/9/2013
HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
Currently using:
Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
PT: gelatin!
DT: Curls Unleashed NR

Love diffusing.
Always learning!
properties are so so so important, and the most important one is your texture - fine, medium, or coarse - and that one is easy to figure out. take a single strand of hair, preferably from your crown, and look at it's width. fine hair is very thin strands that are hard to see & coarse hair is wiry kind of like a sewing thread. I'm assuming your hair is fine (maybe medium) since it responded well to protein (coarse hair generally does not) & protein will be a key ingredient for you going forward, to help maintain strength & curl structure. Fine hair lacks enough protein to maintain that on its own. porous hair also benefits from protein to fill in the holes in the hair shaft that cause it to be porous. porosity is the next most important property, IMO. highly porous hair is usually a result of heat or chemical damage. some indicators of that include hair that feels bumpy when you run your fingers from root to tip, gets wet really easily, soaks up a lot of product, and dries quickly. however, fine hair with thin density (not thick overall) also can dry quickly because there isn't much hair to dry. My hair is normal to low porosity and still dries fairly fast. HTH!
fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel

I did a protein treatment and then a DT and my hair looks fabulous! Pictures to follow!
Originally Posted by angelicak
That's great news! Mine looks like a hay bale and is now three tone because all the treatments have pulled out the dye - coco betaine is not gentle on my skin or hair - but I may have found one culprit. Fructis Repair & Shine got reformulated and I got caught by a new bottle. No palm oil, amodithicone instead. Not a happy bunny today!
What did you choose to use as a PT & DT?
Fine/Thin hair (low density)
Normal porosity
Normal Elasticity

Techniques: Modified Super Soaker, plopping, pixe diffusing, clipping

Low poo: Acure, Y2Cukes
Co Wash: SNRS, Suave Tropical Coconut
RO: Y2C
Style: FSG (HG!!!!), with HETT & BRHG or Devacurl Ultra light defining Gel
PT: IAGirls Gelatin
DT: GVP CB mixed with Coconut oil, Olive Oil, Agave (or honey).

Favorite Styling tools: Devafuser, Deva clips & Flour Sack Towels
I did a protein treatment and then a DT and my hair looks fabulous! Pictures to follow!
Originally Posted by angelicak
That's great news! Mine looks like a hay bale and is now three tone because all the treatments have pulled out the dye - coco betaine is not gentle on my skin or hair - but I may have found one culprit. Fructis Repair & Shine got reformulated and I got caught by a new bottle. No palm oil, amodithicone instead. Not a happy bunny today!
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I hate when they change ingredients! Weird story but it happened with my cat, they changed the packaging of her food and claimed they didn't change the formula but she wouldn't eat it so obviously they did!

Yeah I'm totally not dying my hair anymore. I have highlights and they're over processed so my hairs kinda funky now.
CG since: 2/9/2013
HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
Currently using:
Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
PT: gelatin!
DT: Curls Unleashed NR

Love diffusing.
Always learning!
What did you choose to use as a PT & DT?
Originally Posted by stefflg79
I did the gelatin treatment kinda my own formulation since I had no measuring cups. 2 packs of Knox gelatin, some water, a few drops of jojoba oil, spoonful of honey, a good squeeze of my suave coconut conditioner and a splash of ACV

For my DT I did the curls unleashed moisture conditioner in the little tub, smelled amazing, there were mixed reviews online but I went with it anyway, I loved it!! looking for other 2a/2b/2c/3a for product ideas!!-imageuploadedbycurltalk1367171172.139669.jpg

This was taken this morning after I put a little more LI in. So happy!
CG since: 2/9/2013
HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
Currently using:
Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
PT: gelatin!
DT: Curls Unleashed NR

Love diffusing.
Always learning!
I hate when they change ingredients! Weird story but it happened with my cat, they changed the packaging of her food and claimed they didn't change the formula but she wouldn't eat it so obviously they did!

Yeah I'm totally not dying my hair anymore. I have highlights and they're over processed so my hairs kinda funky now.
Originally Posted by angelicak
It's awesome being a cat slave tho!

I'm never quitting dying, want to be a crazy old lady with pink hair, but I have switched to a far gentler method and grown out the worst of the damage over the last two years. Kinda similar to your highlights even tho I full head. I don't think the initial lifting of the roots was causing me much of an issue, it was 'refreshing' the lengths every six to eight weeks that caused the worst of the chemical damage.

Great hair in that photo, looks healthy and defined!
I hate when they change ingredients! Weird story but it happened with my cat, they changed the packaging of her food and claimed they didn't change the formula but she wouldn't eat it so obviously they did!

Yeah I'm totally not dying my hair anymore. I have highlights and they're over processed so my hairs kinda funky now.
Originally Posted by angelicak
It's awesome being a cat slave tho!

I'm never quitting dying, want to be a crazy old lady with pink hair, but I have switched to a far gentler method and grown out the worst of the damage over the last two years. Kinda similar to your highlights even tho I full head. I don't think the initial lifting of the roots was causing me much of an issue, it was 'refreshing' the lengths every six to eight weeks that caused the worst of the chemical damage.

Great hair in that photo, looks healthy and defined!
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Yeah hahaha.

I was actually considering doing semi permanent color from a box. My best curls were after I dyed my hair semi permanent color I really can't decide though cuz I don't want my hair to get worse
CG since: 2/9/2013
HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
Currently using:
Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
PT: gelatin!
DT: Curls Unleashed NR

Love diffusing.
Always learning!
Duplicate post! Thanks a lot iPhone app
CG since: 2/9/2013
HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
Currently using:
Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
PT: gelatin!
DT: Curls Unleashed NR

Love diffusing.
Always learning!
Yeah hahaha.

I was actually considering doing semi permanent color from a box. My best curls were after I dyed my hair semi permanent color I really can't decide though cuz I don't want my hair to get worse
Originally Posted by angelicak
Some of the semi permanents (NOT demi permanents which may contain small amounts of harsh chemicals) are just in a conditioner base, I am using UK brand La Riche Directions which leaves my hair really glossy and supple after three hours. I do this over a permanent blonde box dye to lift the roots a couple of shades so it will take, which is obviously less gentle (!) but still a great improvement on box dying the whole head each time.

Ingredients are "Aqua, cetearyl alcohol, distearoylethyl hydroxyethylmonium methosulfate and cetearyl alcohol, ceteareth-20, butylene glycol, glyceryl stearate, citric acid, methylparaben."
Whilst I don't much like using parabens, that is CG friendly AFAIK no polyquats or cones or anything that coats the hair, no sulphate surfactants. And I can CO-wash off the excess!
Yeah hahaha.

I was actually considering doing semi permanent color from a box. My best curls were after I dyed my hair semi permanent color I really can't decide though cuz I don't want my hair to get worse
Originally Posted by angelicak
Some of the semi permanents (NOT demi permanents which may contain small amounts of harsh chemicals) are just in a conditioner base, I am using UK brand La Riche Directions which leaves my hair really glossy and supple after three hours. I do this over a permanent blonde box dye to lift the roots a couple of shades so it will take, which is obviously less gentle (!) but still a great improvement on box dying the whole head each time.

Ingredients are "Aqua, cetearyl alcohol, distearoylethyl hydroxyethylmonium methosulfate and cetearyl alcohol, ceteareth-20, butylene glycol, glyceryl stearate, citric acid, methylparaben."
Whilst I don't much like using parabens, that is CG friendly AFAIK no polyquats or cones or anything that coats the hair, no sulphate surfactants. And I can CO-wash off the excess!
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Sounds not bad! Il have to look into it for the natural instincts!
CG since: 2/9/2013
HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
Currently using:
Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
PT: gelatin!
DT: Curls Unleashed NR

Love diffusing.
Always learning!
One technique you may want to experiment with that I have had some luck with to get bouncier more defined curls is to defuse through a plop. I get the benefits of my curls drying in the "scrunch" position like with regular defusing but without direct heat and without frizz.

Also i've found my clumping is highly effected by how i finish my shower routine. After co-washing and detangling, i rinse the conditioner from my hair with cold cold water (with my hair tossed forward) then i add my leave-in (which is the same that i detangle with - but only a tiny amount) and then give my hair one shot of cold water again to spread the product - but I DO NOT TOUCH THE HAIR AT ALL. I apply gel to still very wet hair and put it directly into a plop. Once the cold water rinse starts I NEVER put my fingers or comb into the hair, this helps it to not break up the clumps.

Try it out, hope it works for you!
One technique you may want to experiment with that I have had some luck with to get bouncier more defined curls is to defuse through a plop. I get the benefits of my curls drying in the "scrunch" position like with regular defusing but without direct heat and without frizz.

Also i've found my clumping is highly effected by how i finish my shower routine. After co-washing and detangling, i rinse the conditioner from my hair with cold cold water (with my hair tossed forward) then i add my leave-in (which is the same that i detangle with - but only a tiny amount) and then give my hair one shot of cold water again to spread the product - but I DO NOT TOUCH THE HAIR AT ALL. I apply gel to still very wet hair and put it directly into a plop. Once the cold water rinse starts I NEVER put my fingers or comb into the hair, this helps it to not break up the clumps.

Try it out, hope it works for you!
Originally Posted by CrazyCatLady
Thank you! I'm definitely going to try this!
CG since: 2/9/2013
HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
Currently using:
Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
PT: gelatin!
DT: Curls Unleashed NR

Love diffusing.
Always learning!

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