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Lauraimes 04-24-2013 04:00 AM

Not so happy hair
 
I know that most of the products I have don't really suit my hair properties (which is how I discovered what my properties are), but my hair seems to become more limp and unhappier than ever.

My current routine:
- I cut out my conditioner entirely as the oils kill my fine, low porous hair. That definitely helps, but I can tell that my hair still lacks strength. I'm waiting for Aubrey Organics GPB to arrive, but I don't have a T&T code so no clue when it's coming.
- This means that I only low-poo with CJ Gentle Cleanse Shampoo.
- After that, I apply CJ CQ on soaking wet hair and comb with a wide-tooth comb. Then put it up in a bun so I can finish my shower without rinsing-out the gel.
- After I have dried off, I take out the bun and scrunch each side of my hair eight times with bare hands, followed by plopping for as long as I need to brush my teeth and put on some eye make-up.
- After plopping, I scrunch out the excess water with a t-shirt (I also plop with a t-shirt btw). Then I let it dry completely (which takes hours) and finish off with a pea-sized amount of CCCL.

Second to sixth day:
- Spritz with water until thoroughly wet.
- Apply generous amount of CQ.
- Scrunch with bare hands, sometimes followed by scrunching with t-shirt.
- Plop for as long as I need to brush teeth and apply make-up.
- Let it air dry again.
- Finish of with CCCL.

This worked wonderfully while I was in London. I had fantastic hair. However, my hair is back to being really limp and fly-away again. Not too long prior to London, I tried the Gelatin PT and figured it didn't do much for my hair, but could it be possible that it took some washes before I actually could see the results of that routine?

It's just really frustrating that I know I have beautiful curls, but that I can't get them out anymore. Any advice would be welcome, although I don't have money for any new products at the moment. Hoping AO GPB will solve a lot of my problems.

Just any kind of support will do, because I just came across pictures of last summer and my hair looked amazing. I know I can't go back to that because the style cream I used contains dimethicone and the low-poo + condish I used are not available any more.

Neleke 04-24-2013 04:25 AM

having the same frustration and that's why I'm going to follow this thread...(and bump it)

Lauraimes 04-24-2013 04:27 AM

I do have to add that my hair looked best on rainy days, and whenever I have to go somewhere and my hair looks awful, I just spritz some water on it and it looks all revived and much better. Still not like it once did, but close to a good hair day.

Lauraimes 04-24-2013 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Neleke (Post 2158266)
having the same frustration and that's why I'm going to follow this thread...(and bump it)

Yeah, it's awfully frustrating. It's not like my hair isn't healthy or anything, but it just looks so lifeless.

rainboe 04-24-2013 04:38 AM

Gelatin PTs for me can sometimes make my hair limp the day after, then next wash my hair looks amazing. The AO GPB might be to heavy for a conditioner you use every time. That said, over the winter I went through a time of using AOHR as my leave in and it worked great. You might also need a stronger hold gel. It might help to incorporate a really light conditioner into your routine like Suave Naturals Coconut in the shower and under your gel. I'm just not sure a gel is moisturizing enough by itself.

kathymack 04-24-2013 05:05 AM

It could be the polyquats in the CJ stylers. Curl Queen has 4 and CCCC lite has 10. I found that I have issues with polyquats (especially 4, 7 and 10.) Gentle surfactants don't remove them for me.

I'm also not sure about the gelatin PT. I did it twice--a week to ten days apart. My hair was really "funky" for about a month. It felt "coated." I ended up doing a sulfate shampoo and my hair returned to normal. I was thinking that the gelatin PT was just too thick because I haven't had an issue with gelatin in my okra gel. The PT was a packet of gelatin in 1/4 to 1/3, the okra gel is a packet to 4 cups of gel.

This is just speculation on my part. I think low porosity hair just reacts differently to some of these ingredients. We have a lot of trouble with absorption. If anything coats our hair, products just sit on top.

Lauraimes 04-24-2013 05:14 AM

Kathymack, that's exactly how I feel: that everything I use just sits on top of my hair and doesn't really do anything. Perhaps I'll do a sulfate-wash this weekend to start with a clean slate again. It's just too bad I don't have any other styling products without polyquats and my hair looks even worse without anything in it.

kathymack 04-24-2013 05:32 AM

I know you're in Europe and don't have access to the same products that we do. Can you pick something up?? If you use the products, you'll continue to have the issues.

The other thing that I would suggest is making Okra Gel and/or FSG. You add the ingredients, so you can control the product. They may give you some other options.

Lauraimes 04-24-2013 06:47 AM

We do have a few webshops in Europe that sell US products, like Mariposa Import. I was thinking I should get KCCC next time I order, but it's quite expensive and seeing that I already spent a lot on my CJ products that do not seem to be working that well after all, I'm a bit hesitant. Preferably I use only one styling product that has a stronger hold than CQ. I know a lot of people have different experiences with KCCC so I'm not sure whether that would solve the problem.

The other thing I could do is use my previous styler again (Tigi Bed Head Foxy Curls Contour Cream) because I still have some left. It does not have polyquats but I don't like that it's crammed with chemicals and cones. The ingredients are:

water, VP/methacrylamide/vinyl imidazole copolymer, cyclopentasiloxane, parfum, citral, citronellol, geraniol, limonene, linalool, cyclotetrasiloxane, propylene glycol dibenzoate, dimethiconol, sodium polyacrylate, aminomethyl propanol, hydrogenated polydecene, carbomer, dimethicone, phenoxyethanol, trideceth-6, trimethylsiloxyamodimethicone, methylparaben, ethylparaben, simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil, prunus amygdalus dulcis (sweet almond) fruit extract, alba (meadowfoam) seed oil, camellia sinensis leaf extract, butyrospermum parkii (shea butter) extract, butylene glycol, helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed acid, glycerin, glycogen, methylisothiazolinone

Perhaps I'm going to see if I can put CJ CCCL on the European swap board as it's almost full so worth giving it a try.

I'll try and see if I can get hold of the ingredients to make my own gel. Never done that but I like natural products and this would take that to an entirely new level.

I just discovered that I can also order from http://www.curlyemporium.co.uk :-)

Lauraimes 04-24-2013 12:15 PM

My hair drove me crazy so I washed it (in the evening, it's 20:13 here) with a sulfate shampoo and then with CJ Gentle Cleansing (simply since that's sort of adding some moisture to it). Used no styling products whatsoever.

I'm thinking I should perhaps try my old styler tomorrow which has no polyquats. Too bad that it has cones but perhaps it's good to see how my hair responds to that now. What do you guys think?

And does anyone have any thoughts about getting KCCC with my properties? Bear in mind that I'll be adding protein to my routine as soon as AO GPB arrives. I did my research on KCCC and I've seen that many like it once they've found the right technique to use it.

kathymack 04-24-2013 12:56 PM

Your old styler has a few cones, the cyclopentasiloxane really high up in the ingredient list.

water, VP/methacrylamide/vinyl imidazole copolymer, cyclopentasiloxane, parfum, citral, citronellol, geraniol, limonene, linalool, cyclotetrasiloxane, propylene glycol dibenzoate, dimethiconol, sodium polyacrylate, aminomethyl propanol, hydrogenated polydecene, carbomer, dimethicone, phenoxyethanol, trideceth-6, trimethylsiloxyamodimethicone, methylparaben, ethylparaben, simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil, prunus amygdalus dulcis (sweet almond) fruit extract, alba (meadowfoam) seed oil, camellia sinensis leaf extract, butyrospermum parkii (shea butter) extract, butylene glycol, helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed acid, glycerin, glycogen, methylisothiazolinone

I think really hard about using it. Can't imagine it won't make your hair feel worse then the polyquats.

Lauraimes 04-24-2013 02:08 PM

You're right. I missed the first cone, so thank you for pointing that out. I'm obviously not going to use that tomorrow.

For visual reference, I just took some pictures of my "naked" hair. I used no conditioner or styler, only a Rituals sulfate shampoo and CJ shampoo. I squeezed out some water, then plopped for approximately 1,5 hour. I'm surprised that I still have some curls!

http://i38.tinypic.com/k9z3ev.jpg

chloe92us 04-24-2013 02:11 PM

I think your hair looks really healthy! I can't believe you have no product in there....my hair would be a fluff ball.

Lauraimes 04-24-2013 02:50 PM

Thank you, Chloe! I must say I didn't expect this either, but I'm quite happy! I agree that they look healthy - they always do. I just have to find the right products to provide more hold and "perk them up" a bit.


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