Something seriously wrong with my hair!

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I agree that it's good to avoid certain ingredients. And if I had it my way the FDA would ban parabens (and a whole bunch of other stuff) from beauty, skin and hair care products here in the states. You should check out this site:

Skin Deep® Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group

If you run a product through here it'll tell you where it falls on the safety scale. Low-medium-high health hazard. I've been avoiding parabens in skin care products for years and only recently extended the practice over to hair care.

But I realize not everybody cares about this sort of thing and a lot of people love GVP Conditioning Balm so you never know, you might love it too. And a lot of people don't seem to have any problem with As I Am Coconut Co-wash. Go read the reviews. It's really beloved and won the nc.com award of best co-wash this year I think. Here's a link on preservatives in products that might cause dry scalp:

Itchy Scalp Causes: Preservatives in Hair Products

For me with As I Am it's "Methylisothiazolinone". Not saying that it'll happen to you but it helps to be aware.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

I agree that it's good to avoid certain ingredients. And if I had it my way the FDA would ban parabens (and a whole bunch of other stuff) from beauty, skin and hair care products here in the states. You should check out this site:

Skin Deep® Cosmetics Database | Environmental Working Group

If you run a product through here it'll tell you where it falls on the safety scale. Low-medium-high health hazard. I've been avoiding parabens in skin care products for years and only recently extended the practice over to hair care.

But I realize not everybody cares about this sort of thing and a lot of people love GVP Conditioning Balm so you never know, you might love it too. And a lot of people don't seem to have any problem with As I Am Coconut Co-wash. Go read the reviews. It's really beloved and won the nc.com award of best co-wash this year I think. Here's a link on preservatives in products that might cause dry scalp:

Itchy Scalp Causes: Preservatives in Hair Products

For me with As I Am it's "Methylisothiazolinone". Not saying that it'll happen to you but it helps to be aware.
Originally Posted by dusalocks
Thank you for the links! I used the coconut cowash today and i'm about to update you all!
UPDATE: I have used the As I Am Coconut Cowash and deep conditioned with Coconut Oil and Honey (This was all I had that was moisturizing and not protein). And I sealed with Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smootie (There was still some coconut oil on my hair so I put the smoothie on top of that). My hair STILL had a LOT of resistance and had that plastic/squeaky feeling when I rubbed it! My hair dried really fast (or at least had that DRY feeling really fast) and I forget if that means I have High or Low Porosity. The Cowash detangled my hair but my Bentonite Clay Wash DEFINITELY defines and detangles much more! I'm going to continue with the Cowash once a week to see if anything changes and my moisture problem is solved. I still need a better deep conditioner and Leave-in though. Any more tips? Thank you!
We have very different hair types, by the sound of it, but my hair was 'resistant' to conditioners for a while, nothing seemed to do anything but maybe 'coat' my hair and leave it feeling flattened. What I've found most helpful has been a) avoiding silicones like the plague and b) massaging my conditioner into my hair rather than just putting it on and leaving it.

By that, I mean I put conditioner on both sides of my hair (from about ear level down) then I count to at least 100 while stroking one side of the conditioner-covered hair, running my fingers through it, and generally massaging-without-disturbing-too-much (no crumpling, scrunching etc) then repeat on the other side. When I'm done I might run my still vaguely conditionery palms over the top of my hair. Then I rinse. It really seems to help to get the conditioner soaked up by my hair, and if there's a particular rough spot or a tangle, I can pay more attention there, and add a bit more conditioner if need be.
We have very different hair types, by the sound of it, but my hair was 'resistant' to conditioners for a while, nothing seemed to do anything but maybe 'coat' my hair and leave it feeling flattened. What I've found most helpful has been a) avoiding silicones like the plague and b) massaging my conditioner into my hair rather than just putting it on and leaving it.

By that, I mean I put conditioner on both sides of my hair (from about ear level down) then I count to at least 100 while stroking one side of the conditioner-covered hair, running my fingers through it, and generally massaging-without-disturbing-too-much (no crumpling, scrunching etc) then repeat on the other side. When I'm done I might run my still vaguely conditionery palms over the top of my hair. Then I rinse. It really seems to help to get the conditioner soaked up by my hair, and if there's a particular rough spot or a tangle, I can pay more attention there, and add a bit more conditioner if need be.
Originally Posted by purplewen
Do you have any conditioners you could recommend?
NewlyNatural, bummer about the As I Am. Okay might sound unorthodox but what if you added a bit of olive oil to your conditioner. Maybe not the cowash you put on your scalp. . . might try it in a separate container?
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

NewlyNatural, bummer about the As I Am. Okay might sound unorthodox but what if you added a bit of olive oil to your conditioner. Maybe not the cowash you put on your scalp. . . might try it in a separate container?
Originally Posted by dusalocks
Yeah I don't know why but the products that work for everyone else never work for me. And I still need a good conditioner too. Any recommendations?
Do you have any conditioners you could recommend?
Originally Posted by NewlyNaturalG
I'm not sure if they're available where you are (I'm in the UK) but I was using this one when I stopped using 'cones: Natural conditioner for coloured/treated hair from Green People It's pretty expensive, though, so I'm now alternating with Aloe Pura - Herbal Conditioner I find the Aloe Pura one isn't quite as effective, but it's less than half the price, so I can live with that as a regular conditioner. Both of them are aloe vera based, so that might be something to look out for.
My hair gets unhappy sometimes too. I am low porosity. VERY low porosity. If I just follow the directions on conditioners my hair would LAUGH at my a$$!!

After I either wash (with a sulfate free shampoo) or cowash (with a silicone free conditioner), I add my conditioner and detangle my hair. I twist each section after detangling. I then cover my hair with a plastic shower cap. (The kind you can get like 6 million for a dollar )

And I let it sit. And sit. AND SIT. Anywhere from the time it takes to shower, to over night. The longer it sits the better the results. In occasion I'll let it sit from Saturday night to MONDAY when I get up for work!! With course, low porosity hair the longer it sits the more moisture you'll retain. I use a silicone free conditioner because it seems like it penetrates my hair better.

On to products. I don't use butters. Or creamy products. I don't use mineral oil. All these thing do the same thing. They make my hair greasy but HARD! And once they're in there I can spritz all I want and it won't add moisture. The water just beads up and evaporates. Leaving my hair still dry and hard.

I use gels. Alcohol free gels with glycerin. My choice is Long Aid activator gel for moisture, and EcoStyler gel for hold and definition. These two products moisturize AND seal my hair. Most times I don't even add oil and my hair is STILL shiny. On day one, I really pile it on heavy!!!! Why? Because I can refresh with just water for up to five days. I just spritz with plain water, getting it pretty wet and I smooth my hair. The water dissolves the gel cast so you can sort of "rearrange" it i guess. I just smooth like I'm putting in product. This both refreshes my curls AND adds extra daily moisture. You can tell when it's time to add more gel because your curls won't be as defined and you won't feel the stickiness of the gel anymore when you wet your hair. So far this has been working.

My hair isn't dry anymore and I have nice curls all week.

Something seriously wrong with my hair!-imageuploadedbycurltalk1368122651.247581.jpg

Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the very informative post, BlackAngelPlayah. It was very enlightening for a highly porous gal to learn how you low porosity curlies tackle hair hydration. Your hair does look really defined and healthy in that pic.

Newlynatural, maybe this is the key. Maybe it's not the conditioner so much as how long you let it sit, like BAP says. I sometimes throw on a shower cap while showering and I let mine sit too. (I always let it sit a minimum of 5 minutes before I even try to detangle.) And sometimes I get under the shower head while I'm shaving and whatnot to let the hot water pummel against the cap. My hair seems to like most conditioners but my favorites so far are Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle (for its slip--not so much its moisture,) Tresemme Naturals which I know didn't work out for you but I really like and Shea Moisture's Curl & Shine Conditioner. I like to mix them all.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Deep conditioning more often definitely helped my hair. Still not sold on co washing yet.
My hair gets unhappy sometimes too. I am low porosity. VERY low porosity. If I just follow the directions on conditioners my hair would LAUGH at my a$$!!

After I either wash (with a sulfate free shampoo) or cowash (with a silicone free conditioner), I add my conditioner and detangle my hair. I twist each section after detangling. I then cover my hair with a plastic shower cap. (The kind you can get like 6 million for a dollar )

And I let it sit. And sit. AND SIT. Anywhere from the time it takes to shower, to over night. The longer it sits the better the results. In occasion I'll let it sit from Saturday night to MONDAY when I get up for work!! With course, low porosity hair the longer it sits the more moisture you'll retain. I use a silicone free conditioner because it seems like it penetrates my hair better.

On to products. I don't use butters. Or creamy products. I don't use mineral oil. All these thing do the same thing. They make my hair greasy but HARD! And once they're in there I can spritz all I want and it won't add moisture. The water just beads up and evaporates. Leaving my hair still dry and hard.

I use gels. Alcohol free gels with glycerin. My choice is Long Aid activator gel for moisture, and EcoStyler gel for hold and definition. These two products moisturize AND seal my hair. Most times I don't even add oil and my hair is STILL shiny. On day one, I really pile it on heavy!!!! Why? Because I can refresh with just water for up to five days. I just spritz with plain water, getting it pretty wet and I smooth my hair. The water dissolves the gel cast so you can sort of "rearrange" it i guess. I just smooth like I'm putting in product. This both refreshes my curls AND adds extra daily moisture. You can tell when it's time to add more gel because your curls won't be as defined and you won't feel the stickiness of the gel anymore when you wet your hair. So far this has been working.

My hair isn't dry anymore and I have nice curls all week.

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Hope this helps.
Originally Posted by BlackAngelPlayah
Wow thank you for the tips! I have hope that maybe my hair can be as healthy looking as yours in that pic! What conditioner do you use? And what's you regimine? It seems like I have low porosity as well as you. So maybe if I find out how often you deep condition and what products you use, I will have the same luck! And how long did it take for your hair to go back to normal? To be healthy and soft and shiny?

Last edited by NewlyNaturalG; 05-11-2013 at 04:47 PM.
Thanks for the very informative post, BlackAngelPlayah. It was very enlightening for a highly porous gal to learn how you low porosity curlies tackle hair hydration. Your hair does look really defined and healthy in that pic.

Newlynatural, maybe this is the key. Maybe it's not the conditioner so much as how long you let it sit, like BAP says. I sometimes throw on a shower cap while showering and I let mine sit too. (I always let it sit a minimum of 5 minutes before I even try to detangle.) And sometimes I get under the shower head while I'm shaving and whatnot to let the hot water pummel against the cap. My hair seems to like most conditioners but my favorites so far are Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle (for its slip--not so much its moisture,) Tresemme Naturals which I know didn't work out for you but I really like and Shea Moisture's Curl & Shine Conditioner. I like to mix them all.
Originally Posted by dusalocks
I didn't try Tresseme Naturals yet. Is that great for moisture in your hair? And I agree with you on the Tea Tree Tingle for slip. It's 100x better than the As I Am Coconut Cowash for slip!But doesn't provide moisture. But yea I'm going to start leaving conditioners on longer than the directions! My 4b-4c hair could use much more than that!
Deep conditioning more often definitely helped my hair. Still not sold on co washing yet.
Originally Posted by curlicious13
I think I should just find a better Cowash because the As I Am Cocnut Cowash isn't working well. What deep conditioner do you use?
Deep conditioning more often definitely helped my hair. Still not sold on co washing yet.
Originally Posted by curlicious13
I think I should just find a better Cowash because the As I Am Cocnut Cowash isn't working well. What deep conditioner do you use?
Originally Posted by NewlyNaturalG
Hi, apologies for jumping in on the conversation but, out of curiosity have you tried the L'Oreal Evercream cleansing conditioner? I know my hair has different properties than yours, but I found it had great slip (better than AIA co-wash for me), but a strong vanilla scent.
JulesOnline

3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
RO/LI:
YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



Deep conditioning more often definitely helped my hair. Still not sold on co washing yet.
Originally Posted by curlicious13
I think I should just find a better Cowash because the As I Am Cocnut Cowash isn't working well. What deep conditioner do you use?
Originally Posted by NewlyNaturalG
Hi, apologies for jumping in on the conversation but, out of curiosity have you tried the L'Oreal Evercream cleansing conditioner? I know my hair has different properties than yours, but I found it had great slip (better than AIA co-wash for me), but a strong vanilla scent.
Originally Posted by Julesonline
No thank you for your input! And no I haven't. But I don't know if I want to use L'Oreal. I know there ingredients can be taken well with people with say 2a-3a hair, but mine might not like it.
bump! still looking for a GREAT moisturizing deep conditioner!
bump! still looking for a GREAT moisturizing deep conditioner!
Originally Posted by NewlyNaturalG
Are you expecting instantaneous results on hair that is bad shape? The only thing you are likely to get that from is a silicone packed commercial product. Remember that hair is dead and cannot be repaired permanently, if you have not been eating right or have not been treating your hair right for some time you may need to grow out or cut out the worst of the damage.

Stick with the coconut oil and honey treatments and be sure to leave them long enough - overnight or longer - if your hair is quite porous it will take time to absorb enough lauric acid to make a significant difference. It's not the same as 'regular' conditioner where the ingredients largely stick to the surface within the first half an hour or so.

And stick with things like co-washing, many people find Curly Girl takes a few weeks to even a few months to really kick in, for their hair to become noticeably more moisturised. Patience and perseverance is key, it's not even been a month from when you first posted.

If you are not sure of your properties consider the Komaza Care hair analysis, sounds like it goes into real detail about the cause and possible solutions
Komaza Care HAIR ANALYSIS Service - Rave! - Long Hair Care Forum
If you like natural products check out Komaza Care line, many of the products are the right acidic pH for hair, contain proven ingredients like ceramides, coconut oil and hydrolysed protein.
Komaza Care - The Complete Hair Solution

Vitamin and mineral pills are not the answer, aim to get a balance of all the nutrients your body needs from real wholefoods - hair needs protein and the right balance of fatty acids too. A body that is stressed by poor lifestyle choices is never going to prioritise healthy hydrated hair.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I'm kind of taking a shot in the dark here (and sorry if you already mentioned this and I missed it) but have you been using any silicone (or mineral oil or petrolatum) containing products while washing with bentonite clay? It could be as simple as build-up that's keeping moisture from absorbing into your hair. Maybe you should try clarifying and then give CG a shot. My hair gets that same awful, plasticky feeling from build up, and it won't absorb moisture, so I'm thinking that might be the case here.
Just starting CG! 5-13

2A, fine, dense, high porosity, highlighted

low-poo: Leonor Greyl bain vitalisant b*
co-wash: CJ smoothing*
RO: ^, SS Caitlin's*
DT: CJ rehab
LI: CJ rehab
stylers: CJ CCCC*
oils: coconut


*experimenting
HG

loves: aloe, oils, esp. coconut
hates: acv, baking soda
on the fence about polyquats
bump! still looking for a GREAT moisturizing deep conditioner!
Originally Posted by NewlyNaturalG
Are you expecting instantaneous results on hair that is bad shape? The only thing you are likely to get that from is a silicone packed commercial product. Remember that hair is dead and cannot be repaired permanently, if you have not been eating right or have not been treating your hair right for some time you may need to grow out or cut out the worst of the damage.

Stick with the coconut oil and honey treatments and be sure to leave them long enough - overnight or longer - if your hair is quite porous it will take time to absorb enough lauric acid to make a significant difference. It's not the same as 'regular' conditioner where the ingredients largely stick to the surface within the first half an hour or so.

And stick with things like co-washing, many people find Curly Girl takes a few weeks to even a few months to really kick in, for their hair to become noticeably more moisturised. Patience and perseverance is key, it's not even been a month from when you first posted.

If you are not sure of your properties consider the Komaza Care hair analysis, sounds like it goes into real detail about the cause and possible solutions
Komaza Care HAIR ANALYSIS Service - Rave! - Long Hair Care Forum
If you like natural products check out Komaza Care line, many of the products are the right acidic pH for hair, contain proven ingredients like ceramides, coconut oil and hydrolysed protein.
Komaza Care - The Complete Hair Solution

Vitamin and mineral pills are not the answer, aim to get a balance of all the nutrients your body needs from real wholefoods - hair needs protein and the right balance of fatty acids too. A body that is stressed by poor lifestyle choices is never going to prioritise healthy hydrated hair.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Nope, I'm not looking for a quick fix. I understand it will take a while for my hair to be healthy and grow but that doesn't mean I should settle with products that have not done a THING to my hair. The CG wasn't working out for me, absolutely nothing about my hair changed. So I moved on. BUT my hair is feeling a TAD bit soft now. On I think Friday, May 17 I washed my hair with the bentonite clay mask mixed with WATER (I have a protein overload and anything acidic won't help my hair too much). Once again, it detangled my hair for me (I literally didn't touch a comb/product before hand). I just wet my hair and put it on. Then I made a mixture of Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle conditioner, baking soda (to help open up my hair shaft so moisture can get in), and coconut oil. Now may hair still isn't in really good shape, but after doing that I have to say I've noticed a significant difference! BUT I do think that if I had an ACTUAL deep moisturizing conditioner and very moisturizing leave in, then the results can be even better. And wow I hope to do a hair analysis one day too! Thank you!

Last edited by NewlyNaturalG; 05-23-2013 at 06:59 PM.

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