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Old 05-01-2013, 03:10 AM   #1
 
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Default wavy going for her first cut as a wavy: help needed!

So... I'm almost 2 months CG now (before I flat ironed my hair) and I'll probably go for my first cut tomorrow and I do need advise.

1) I'm a 2b-2c (more 2c than 2b), and I think I have fine-medium widt, medium porosity, and high density but I'm not sure and I'm still waiting for my hair analysis oh an my hair is like 2 inches under shoulderlength when dry, almost brastraplength when wet
2) my hair dresser cuts hair when wet, I know this is a problem for most curlies, but I don't think I have a problem with it since I'm only a wavy and my waves tend to clump differently after each wash.
I do have confidence in my hair dresser, she always cut my hair very very good when it was straight but I don't know if she has a lot of experience with curlies. I don't want to change my hair dresser though, since we don't really have experienced curly hair dressers here (or I should go to a hair dresser that normally only cuts 4's but I think that would be even worse than going to a hair dresser that normally mostly cuts 1s since I'm a 2.
Should I be really worried about cutting wet considered I'm a 2b-2c?
3) my hair dresser washes my hair with a professional hair dressers shampoo but it contains sulfates and cones and conditioner with cones. I don't really feel comfortable bringing my own products and saying "could you wash my hair with these?" because that would sound like "your products aren't good".
So: would it be really bad?
And what should I do for my next wash? Washing with a sulfate shampoo that is conefree and then continue CG? (I'm going for a swim tomorrow evening, so a couple of hours after the hair dresser)
4) Most important question: I'm a bit scared this time to go to the hair dresser, since it will be my first cut as a curly. I'm afraid it will turn out straighter than I would want to (but that's probably only my paranoia). I loooove my curvy waves and I would love to keep them as curly as possible. What should I ask my hair dresser?
At the moment I have something between SL and BSL with a little bit of layers, but not much. I don't want to lose total length, but should I ask for more layered hair? Won't that get my hair straighter considered I'm only a wavy? What should I ask for? What do I have to avoid?

Greetings,

A scissorfearing wavy
(I wasn't that scissorfearing as a fake straightie but after reading what can go wrong with cuts....)
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:37 AM   #2
 
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I'm a 2c and I think us 2's have a little more leeway with wet cuts vs dry cuts. Does your hair dresser know you are going curly? If not tell her! Make sure she understands up front you plan on wearing your hair curly. Unless you want her to style your hair straight tell her up front you want her to style it curly. Are you OK with her using a curling iron on your hair? If not make sure you tell her that too. I have run into it so many times that I tell a stylist I want my hair curly and what do they do??? Blow it straight then curl it! I guess I'm just trying to emphasize you should be very up front about what you expect.

I have not fully given up sulphates. IMO it's a personal choice. Why don't you take your products with you and ask her if she's comfortable using them. You can be polite but firm about what you're OK with and what you'd like to do differently. Sounds like you have a good relationship with her, so why not ask her LOL! Some salons push certain hair care products so I'm not sure if she's obligated to use what the salon provides??? Just be prepared in case she can't use what you bring in.

Good luck! I need my hair cut badly. I'm still trying to find that perfect stylist!!!
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oh, she knows I'm wearing my hear curly now and that she doesn't have to use a curling iron on me. I already went to let my hair dye 3 weeks ago

Then she washed it with the salon products and I did a sulfate shampoo without cones after, but I don't know if that's the way to "solve the problem".
I think they have to use their products ...
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I am a 2b, I rock up to the salon with wet conditioned hair and have my hair cut that way. Although much of the time I actually trim my own hair! If they wash it they end up ripping a brush or comb through to get out the tangles, which I don't normally have a problem with.

When I last enquired with a new salon I I asked what sulphate and silicone free products they have - blank faces! - I used both my hair and my skin as reasons. Would you feel more comfortable saying you have skin issues? Sulphates are proven to damage the skin barrier of even healthy individuals at concentrations as low as 1% (shampoo is ~20%) so it's really a white lie. Some ladies take their Curly Girl book in and share their excitement at finding a system that works, some have reported their stylist being really interested.

Honestly in the long run you are doing other ladies a favour by bringing it to their attention that their products don't suit everyone. Atopic eczema is really common these days, and sulphates are not recommended to be used there, setting aside the many curlies, long hairs and those with damaged hair who are switching. Sulphates are great for removing build up and silicones are great for heat protection, so their products are far from 'bad' they are likely good for most customers, but they are missing a trick commercially (not suggesting you actually say that!). And there are so many mainstream sulphate free cleansers now I can't understand why all good salons are not more aware.

Otherwise you might use the opportunity to have a deep treatment the day before, sulphates may help coconut oil penetrate the hair and the oil will help protect your hair against the shampoo. After you only need use a shampoo containing cocoamidopropyl betaine, you don't have to use sulphates to remove silicones. Just don't let her use tons of heavy finishing products.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:19 AM   #5
 
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they do have a CG mousse they used on my hair when they coloured it...
Oh: and I am suffering from eczema for already a long long time. That has gotten better the last 2 weeks, but I thought this was because I changed my day cream (maybe it's both?)

Now: does anyone have advise on the cut itself?
As a 2b-2c: what sort of cut would be good? Lots of layers? short layers? long layers? ....
Last cut I had a little bit of layers cut into my hair, but only a little bit, and that was already nice for my hair (didn't have the dreaded triangle look as much as I had before... I was the PERFECT example of triangle-head )
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:00 AM   #6
 
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they do have a CG mousse they used on my hair when they coloured it...
Oh: and I am suffering from eczema for already a long long time. That has gotten better the last 2 weeks, but I thought this was because I changed my day cream (maybe it's both?)
It's the sulphate surfactants, honestly. Information about one of the published studies into the effect of sulphates on healthy skin, imagine what it does to those of us with dermatitis (our skin barrier is naturally weaker) Aqueous Cream : National Eczema Society

My atopic eczema/ contact dermatitis cleared within a week or two of starting CO-washing, my mothers atopic eczema/ seborrhoeic dermatitis improved by at least 50% when she switched to a cocoamidopropyl betaine shampoo. For me just shampoo bubbles running down my arm was triggering my elbow patch, even tho they were rinsed off right away.

Many ladies on skin forums report similar with themselves or their little ones. Look at all your products not just shampoo - sulphates are in shower gel, face wash, hand wash, washing up liquid, aqueous cream, even permanent hair dye and commercial toothpaste!
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:04 AM   #7
 
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I'm not an expert on cuts, but NO THINNING SHEARS! The worst long hair cut I've ever had in my entire life (I thought it was impossible to **** up "long layers") was when this one guy used thinning shears to debulk my hair. Oh god, the frizz! The frizz I got from it! He cut my hair like it was straight and then the short, thinned pieces sprung up and were literally to my eye level and floating above the rest of my hair. I'm still growing out this bad haircut 7 months later, and honestly when I go home I might have to cut it to chin length to get it to be a normal haircut (it's mid-back right now). ::sigh::

Re: bringing your own shampoo. Please please please remember that you are hiring your stylist, not the other way around. You are not there to please them... they skilled professionals and are there to provide a quality service to you, and it's the same as if you were hiring anyone to help you do anything else. Good work should be rewarded, bad work doesn't need to be.

There is absolutely no reason why you have to hide and be ashamed about your hair's needs. A good stylist will listen to you. And a good stylist nowadays should honestly be aware about the CG method... it's been around for years and many people are getting fantastic results from it.

If you're afraid of "springing it up on them" talk to your stylist beforehand, on the phone, if they're ok with washing your hair w/ your own shampoo. Of course, be polite. You can explain you're doing the CG method if you'd like, or just say that your hair is sensitive and this particular shampoo really works best.

If she scoffs at the idea (you)... do you really want her to cut your hair? It's your money, take it elsewhere and do business with a stylist who is knowledgeable in their field and listens to their clients. Reward good work.

Also, at my salon they tend to blow dry my hair straight and then add curl to make it "curly." That is not "curly" to me and absolutely nothing like what my hair looks like when I air dry. (This is why I will probably learn to cut my own hair.) I think you should avoid this method, because at the end you won't know what the results really are. The point of them blow drying and styling your hair (besides giving you a good hair day) is to see how well the cut works. If they blow-dry and blow-curl or iron-curl your hair, and that's not what you usually do, you won't know if the haircut really works. Ask to scrunch in products (you can bring your own) and then sit under a hard hat drier. That way when its dried, if something is off, the stylist can make adjustments. You can talk to your stylist about this beforehand as well.

Good luck!
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:10 AM   #8
 
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What Should I Tell My Stylist?

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i understand that you feel comfortable with this person, which makes you not want to change stylists. But, I think at the bare minimum you need to be totally forthright with her ahead of time what your new hair routine is, so that she can give you an end product you are happy with.

If this client/stylist relationship is to stand the test of time (as with ANY relationship) you need to be very clear and honest about your golas and expectations ... which should include telling her that you do not use any sulfates or silicones on your hair. You could email her a list of no-no ingredients so that she has the chance to possibly find a product to have there for you - OR offer that you could bring your own if she doesn't have anything that suits your regimen.

Even if you are OK with her doing a wet cut, i'd talk with her about your new routine, maybe use the time you'll spend together during the cut to tell her about the CG Method and encourage her to ask questions. Maybe loan her your copy of the CG Handbook. If she is a real hair nerd (like many GOOD stylists are) she will welcome the new knowledge and probably get excited about learning more about better serving curly clients!
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:10 PM   #10
 
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I just take a shower before I go in, so my hair is already wet, and if it's starting to dry, they'll just spray it with water. If for some reason they want to style it with their products, you could always say, "no thank you, I think I've developed an allergy and I'm only using natural products." If you don't want to have to explain everything, this is a good way to get around that easily. But going in with your hair wet is a good idea if you don't want them to shampoo your hair for you!
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