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MissMcKenna 05-01-2013 11:04 AM

Trying to stay natural, need advice...
 
Hello! I'm new to this forum, so I hope this is in the right place!

I have type 2B hair that I've horribly abused over the past few years without even realizing it. I used to straighten it often because I could never get it to look "pretty" (in my younger teenage opinion) and now I'm paying for it. My hair is broken and very prone to frizzing, despite me using various techniques to try and fight the frizzies and the poof. Currently I'm using Got 2B Glossy Anti-Frizz Shine Serum, but I'm not sure if it's working well for my hair yet. I'm also attempting to transition from the crappy sulfate and silicone filled shampoos and conditioners I've been using most of my life to those that are less harmful and cause less build-up in my hair. The only problem? I'm not quite sure which ones would work best for my particular issue.

You see, my hair is medium-thick (I'd say), just past shoulder-length... and when I let it dry? The pretty, wet waves and curls I see in the mirror immediately begin to poof and frizz. I've tried blowing it dry before and that just makes it bigger. Much, much bigger! It's so frustrating because I know that I have beautiful, natural hair, it's just a matter of bringing out that natural beauty, and it has felt like a completely unrewarding uphill battle.

I just started wrapping my hair in a cotton shirt after showering, so I'll see if that makes any difference in the poofiness, but I'm at a loss when it comes to what other methods to use and what products. If anyone had any suggestions for my particular hair type, I would really really appreciate it. I want to be one of those girls with curls and waves that straight-haired girls envy! Not a frizz-head...

Thank you so much in advance!

(Note: As aforementioned, my hair is type 2B, medium-thick, and has a tendency to frizz and poof.)

Firefox7275 05-01-2013 11:41 AM

I have 2b hair that was very damaged mechanically and chemically, I've been shampoo and silicone free for two years and the worst of the damage is now gone, the 'new' hair is much less poofier/ fluffier/ unmanageable than the 'old' hair.

Best things I have done are
- cut off the worst of the damage instead of fighting it, honestly you cannot repair hair that is totally fried and super porous and you will drive yourself insane trying to tame it
- start conditioner only washing, my hair depoufed right away. On the rare occasion I have to shampoo (sulphate free) it is dry, huge and unmanageable again
- regular coconut oil intensive treatments, research suggests it reduces porosity and protects from further damage/ structural protein loss. Also good for shine with regular use, best washed out with conditioner not shampoo
- apply products to wet not damp hair, don't overdry with a towel. Never brush hair, very wide tooth comb or finger detangle
- use a LOT of product, being porous my hair drinks up everything from leave in conditioner to gel.

Other than that I am still learning and my hair is still driving me to distraction some of the time, but these did make a huge difference pretty quickly.

mixedcurlygirl 05-01-2013 12:01 PM

Try the shea.moisture growth thickening milk or the shea moisture curl n shine milk and use jojoba oil or coconut oil to seal and flaxseed gel :)

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3b 3c fine .thin
recovering from heat damage
loo poo· shea moisture raw shea butter
co wash·as iam coconut co wash
rinse out·deva curl one condition(gonna change)
moisturizer· shea moisture thicken growth milk
leave in·shea moisture smoothie
sealer· coconut oil or jojoba oil
dc·shea moisture deep treatment mask
thinking bout tryin avocado or mayo.
gel·flaxseed gel :)
thats it for now ♡

MissMcKenna 05-01-2013 01:06 PM

Okay, thank you so much! I'll try what you've both suggested. c: Any ideas on what particular kind of coconut oil treatment brand, or do you suppose they'll all affect my hair similarly? I suppose I could just research it myself instead of making others do it for my lazy bum hehe.

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Firefox7275 05-01-2013 01:58 PM

Just coconut oil, no brand and no additives, the stuff you can cook with. Sometimes I melt and mix with a silicone free conditioner, other times I melt and apply plain oil straight to damp or dry hair, either way I then add a shower cap plus microfibre towel turban and sleep on it.

Don't try to wash out before work your first few times do it on a weekend or day off, you don't want to be at screaming pitch with oily patches and running late. You will soon get the hang of conditioner washing out.

MissMcKenna 05-01-2013 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefox7275 (Post 2160881)
Just coconut oil, no brand and no additives, the stuff you can cook with. Sometimes I melt and mix with a silicone free conditioner, other times I melt and apply plain oil straight to damp or dry hair, either way I then add a shower cap plus microfibre towel turban and sleep on it.

Don't try to wash out before work your first few times do it on a weekend or day off, you don't want to be at screaming pitch with oily patches and running late. You will soon get the hang of conditioner washing out.

Okay, thanks! I bought some online just now, we don't have many stores close-by here and I highly doubt they would've had the unrefined junk anyhow!

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Chloe_s_Mom 05-01-2013 06:23 PM

I think that it really is trial and error. To avoid overspending on products that end up under the bathroom sink, perhaps start off with a good, sulfate free shampoo, and a good conditioner (silicone free). Don't forget to clarify your hair before dropping silicones, to avoid weird build up.
With the conditioner, you can add water to some, in a spray bottle, and spritz your hair if it has dried too quickly.
You can also leave some in, when you condition your hair in the shower.
Some people have luck with scrunching their hair while it is drying, or encouraging curls by carefully twirling damp hair around their finger.
Definitely getting away from drying products will help!
My daughters' hair is less curly than mine and I need to wash it more often, and leave less conditioner in as well.
I have discovered that there is such a thing as too much product (my hair is short and not damaged), and my hair will feel very dirty to the touch (and the curls will look weighed down), but it really depends on why your hair needs at any given time.

MissMcKenna 05-01-2013 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chloe_s_Mom (Post 2160962)
I think that it really is trial and error. To avoid overspending on products that end up under the bathroom sink, perhaps start off with a good, sulfate free shampoo, and a good conditioner (silicone free). Don't forget to clarify your hair before dropping silicones, to avoid weird build up.
With the conditioner, you can add water to some, in a spray bottle, and spritz your hair if it has dried too quickly.
You can also leave some in, when you condition your hair in the shower.
Some people have luck with scrunching their hair while it is drying, or encouraging curls by carefully twirling damp hair around their finger.
Definitely getting away from drying products will help!
My daughters' hair is less curly than mine and I need to wash it more often, and leave less conditioner in as well.
I have discovered that there is such a thing as too much product (my hair is short and not damaged), and my hair will feel very dirty to the touch (and the curls will look weighed down), but it really depends on why your hair needs at any given time.

Thank you for the tips!

Is there a particular amount of product that I should start out using? My hair seems so dry, I feel like I would need more conditioner versus less... but I guess if I start cowashing instead of shampooing then my hair will become more hydrated (theoretically speaking).

Currently I use about a dime's worth of the Got 2b serum, as I'm afraid to make my hair look "greasy" like it warns on the application directions, but my hair still gets poofy and frizzy. Maybe this product just isn't for me? Hm...

Chloe_s_Mom 05-01-2013 07:04 PM

The word serum puts fear in my heart. My only experiences with any kind of anti frizz serums were poor - greasy, weirdly straw like feel to my hair. How are the ingredients in that product? Any silicones that can't be washed out with water? If yes, I'd put that product aside and stick with adding some 'safe' conditioner to your damp hair.

I have a bottle of AG Recoil that has lasted a LONG time. Not sure if it rehydrates hair per se, but it does style the curl nicely (I just ran into trouble of overconditioning, using too much product. Another poster said that on her medium length hair, she used a kidney bean amount of AG Recoil, so I was definitely using too much!)

What about some overnight conditioning treatments?

I am pleased to say that I found 'safe' shampoo (Live Clean) and conditioners, at my local drugstore, on sale no less!

I have coconut oil that I have used for cooking (tried it in my smoothies and almost fainted when I would get a soft lump of that stuff, thinking that it was a piece of banana...but that's off topic) and did try a wee bit in my hair. I put it in a small container, on our TV's digital box and the heat melted it nicely. I carefully rubbed a very small amount into the tips of my hair, then a bit onto a portion of my scalp that felt sore and dry (my attempt to massage it - ouch!). Felt soft, looked terrible :) It did wash out well the next day though.

MissMcKenna 05-01-2013 07:32 PM

The first batch of it I used (this is my second bottle) worked pretty well and kept my hair's curls intact and fairly frizz free. I was planning on switching to a new product but someone (AKA my mother...) thought she would gift me a new bottle of it. Do you think that the serum is actually negatively affecting my hair? I wouldn't be surprised, especially because it doesn't seem to be doing much for it now...

Ingredients appear to be the drying stuff (taken from Google searching, since I don't have the bottle with me at the moment) but correct me if I'm wrong: Cyclomethicone , Dimethicone , Ethyhexyl Methoxycinnamate , Fragrance

Any suggestions as to what I could replace this with then? I don't have any qualms with trashing it or passing it along to someone. It's literally a nearly full bottle, I suppose I could just offer it up on here if anyone wants it. (Is there a place to do that here?)

I'd rather have something free of sulfates and silicones, as I'm more than certain these are what have been drying my hair out for quite some time.

Chloe_s_Mom 05-01-2013 07:52 PM

How about checking out the threads with your hair type? There might be some info on products? Also, somewhere on this site, you can see the reviews for diff products (ratings too) along with mention wrt diff ingredients.

My understanding of this 'whole process' is that there are two main goals - cleaning and conditioning in a way that not only stops stripping your hair, but also protects, nourishes, etc; and then styling your hair, which at a minimum should not harm your hair.

Many have found that by ditching sulfate shampoos, and then avoiding most silicones (so, going Curly Girl, or modified Curly Girl), their curl improves on it own. Some before and after pics are amazing!

Again, I'm sure that you have read this already, but when you are ready to ditch the sulfate shampoo, and if you choose to stop silicones too, you will need to clarify your hair to remove build up from past products.

I found a bottle of Live Clean shampoo (sulphate free) that says that it is clarifying, using apple cider vinegar.

Not sure if I am answering your questions! Am tired tonight, probably shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard right now ha!

morganrc 05-01-2013 08:01 PM

Loreal eversleek has a frizz "serum" (it feels more creamy then serum-y). It's silicone free, and I put this on my dry hair all the time to tame frizz. It works wonders, and it's small enough to keep in my purse.

MissMcKenna 05-01-2013 08:05 PM

Haha oh no you're helping me out a lot! I can empathize with the exhaustion completely... I'm actually at work right now, been here since three, and it's 10:00 PM now. Luckily I work a job where I can learn how to fix my hair when there's nothing better to do. c;

I'll look into that sulfate free shampoo, since I'd like to have one lying around, and I did use clarifying yesterday to strip my hair one final time... I grabbed some Suave Naturals conditioner last night because I heard that it was good for those choosing the cowash route, and I'll find product reviews as you've suggested. (I wasn't aware there were any on this website, so thank you!)

MissMcKenna 05-01-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by morganrc (Post 2160989)
Loreal eversleek has a frizz "serum" (it feels more creamy then serum-y). It's silicone free, and I put this on my dry hair all the time to tame frizz. It works wonders, and it's small enough to keep in my purse.

I'll definitely check this out. Thanks a bunch!

morganrc 05-01-2013 11:52 PM

Anytime :)

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Firefox7275 05-02-2013 05:45 AM

I got the least poof/ frizz without drying from recent experiments with plenty of a rich leave in containing a natural oil plus plenty of CHS Curl Keeper. Took absolutely hours to air dry and the curl was not amazing tho!

Silicones have never resolved my poof/ frizz entirely and they certainly don't hydrate hair, in fact they 'lock out' beneficial ingredients and water and easily build up leaving hair greasy looking and lank. However I believe humectants such as those in Curl Keeper work differently in different dew points, so YMMV.


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