Encouraging ringlets?

So after some-okay, alot-deliberation, I think I've decided I'm 2c/3a. Granted I've only been truly CGing less than a week, but modding for several months on and off, and this is definitely the best my hair has been. I have several spots that are spirals, but won't actually turn into ringlets-is there a way I can encourage it to? I may need more length, if I tip my head back, it's BSL. Or is it just a tincture of time thing on the CG?

(Currently, I'm cowashing w/ Activate co (need to find another without protein to alternate with), or BaSo then rinsing w/ white vinegar if it feels like it needs it, scrunching in activate gel and a little LOOB and then misting during the day w/ a honey/epsom saltwater spray. I tried leaving in a dab-two nickels' worth of conditioner scrunched into sopping wet hair today-better clumps but less hold/curl. I'll put up pics when my camera decides to work again, my card is fried .

Thank you!
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Have you tried co-washing with something lighter than Activate? Activate is great for regular conditioning, but I think it would be kind of heavy for co-washing with. You might get more spring from a lighter co-washing condish. Just a thought. Also have you tried a curl-enhancing cream styler? Like Recoil or LOOB even?
3a/2c f/mii. pics added 2/3/07
I used to use suave coconut but I ran out and thought this might be better....maybe I'll get some V05? I haven't used the LOOB on its own yet-I'll try that tomorrow and I'm () waiting for payday to buy some recoil.

Is that Umberto Gianini too heavy to cowash with? I'm having a terrible time keeping my products straight! I'm trying to talk myself into buying either Devacurl or Jessicurl products-I'm leaning to the latter...any thoughts?

Thanks Lush! (your hair is gorgeous, btw...I'm hoping that mine ends up like that! :P )
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OK, Lush I just looked at your new pics and then looked at mine. I'm closer than I thought! (insert happy dance here) Mines just lots shorter. And darker. The first and third ones are very close to what I am looking at.

What is CEAHT? And on your ringlet pic you mention shaking....when/how do you do that? I think I'll copy your routine for a while and see if it works (if you don't mind of course!)

Oh I'm so happy to finally be loving my hair instead of fighting it! I hate to guess how many times I've gone and looked at it (I'm at work...shhhh)


I'm becoming obsessed....
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I would use either suave of Vo5 for a co-wash, then maybe activate for conditioner, then a good leave in, the 2 that I have found that work well are the GF leave in and PM The Conditioner(leave in), then use LOOB after that. I get clumpy spiral curls this way. My hair type is 2c-3a, like yours.
after reading medusas (I think?) post about peach clumping your hair, I think I'm going to try and find something like that...and the GF leave in-I'll have to dig a bit to find that and make sure I get the wrong one. Those are usually cone soup aren't they?

Ack, my PJ is growing teeth.


and horns.
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and horns.
Originally Posted by MaybeWavy
They're ferocious little buggers aren't they?

I'm anxious for you to post pics! I can't remember the shaking part so I'll have to look up what I was talking about there. But CEAHT is Curls Ecstacy Asian Hair Tea conditioner (think I got all the words right ). Unfortunately they've just changed the formula so it's no longer CG. :x I'll be using my last bottle very sparingly, which is a big shame because I get such nice clumpy spirals from it. The last pics I posted I took with my phone-cam, so it made my hair look about 5 shades lighter than it really is. And thank you so much for the kind compliment!
3a/2c f/mii. pics added 2/3/07
Curl and shine or Sleek and shine for the GF conditioners by the way.
You totally need some peach. My hair loves aloe too so that sally's knock off paul mitchell the conditioner is a good leave in or beauty without cruelty revitalizing leave in.

I love my Back to basics peach and pomegranate rinse out conditioner. Peach is the stuff for clumping and helping out the curls.

Getting the right amount of hold from your gel will help too and ingredients your hair likes. My aloe gel has been discontinued so I'm trying to find a replacement with aloe and or flax in it. I'd love it if they put peach in gels too but I haven't seen that yet.

ETA: In the winter I can use a heavier conditioenr to co wash but I just have to be careful not to overcondition and it's more expensive dang it! Suave naturals are good for co washing, white rain naturals, vo5 clarifying or moisture milks. I love DevaCurl no poo for cleansing my hair the absolute best though it's just more expensive to use it regularly so generally I use that once a week.
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
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I apologize for a possible thread hijacking but I am considering purchasing Activate shampoo or conditioner tonight. I am a 2c/3a - will Activate's shampoo work well as a sulfate-free, moisturizing shampoo that won't be too heavy and weigh down any curl potential? I can't cowash because of buildup.

I currently use Burt's Bees Citrus Shine shampoo, so I am a bit fearful of what a more moisturizing shampoo may do to my curls. I currently alternate between Suave Coconut condish and Freeman's Shine Overboard condish.

Also, medusahair - I recall you posted that B2B changed their pomegranate peach conditioner. Have you tried the new stuff, what's it like?
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Is the Burt's bees one not working for you?

The Activate doesn't weigh my hair down. Now low poo and the JC cleansers do. Activate does well for me and creme of nature.
I personally like the Activate conditioner too. Nice slip and conditions well. Now it does have a type of protein in it but it's not wheat protein so my hair is tolerant of it. Just an fyi in case you have problems with proteins
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

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Thank you for your advice medusahair!

I am using up Burt's Bees Citrus Shine because I feel obligated to, but I feel it is too stripping. I am trying to be wise and thrifty with my next shampoo purchase, so I would like to buy a cheap shampoo that is moisturing enough to be used on my entire hair (scalp and hair shaft) without having to used with a conditioner everyday.

I am using Massey's wavygirl method for washing my hair right now (shampoo on the scalp only with conditioner applied as a shield from the shampoo on the hair shaft )because I think co-washing would produce too much buildup. If it makes any sense, I find that after conditioning with Suave Coconut Condish or Freeman's Shine Overboard condish too many times in a row, my curls get weighed down - but not moisturized. So I thought maybe I should try a moisturizing shampoo alone.

I feel that on good hair days, I can achieve 3a curls. But if I make mistakes, I am stuck with weighed down 2c waves. I wish I knew what I was doing!

Thank you for any advice you can give me!
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Thank you for your advice medusahair!

I am using up Burt's Bees Citrus Shine because I feel obligated to, but I feel it is too stripping. I am trying to be wise and thrifty with my next shampoo purchase, so I would like to buy a cheap shampoo that is moisturing enough to be used on my entire hair (scalp and hair shaft) without having to used with a conditioner everyday.

I am using Massey's wavygirl method for washing my hair right now (shampoo on the scalp only with conditioner applied as a shield from the shampoo on the hair shaft )because I think co-washing would produce too much buildup. If it makes any sense, I find that after conditioning with Suave Coconut Condish or Freeman's Shine Overboard condish too many times in a row, my curls get weighed down - but not moisturized. So I thought maybe I should try a moisturizing shampoo alone.

I feel that on good hair days, I can achieve 3a curls. But if I make mistakes, I am stuck with weighed down 2c waves. I wish I knew what I was doing!

Thank you for any advice you can give me!
Originally Posted by cmartin1
If you're using it alone, cream of nature is probably your best bet.
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Thank you wild_sasparilla.


This is day 3 of using Creme of nature regular shampoo and it has been performing wonderfully for me!

Fingers crossed that this will continue.
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It's good to k now that about Burt's bees I was thinking of getting some.
I'm glad you're liking that creme of nature, it's sure easier and cheaper than most alternatives thankfully
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
I am using Massey's wavygirl method for washing my hair right now (shampoo on the scalp only with conditioner applied as a shield from the shampoo on the hair shaft )because I think co-washing would produce too much buildup. If it makes any sense, I find that after conditioning with Suave Coconut Condish or Freeman's Shine Overboard condish too many times in a row, my curls get weighed down - but not moisturized. So I thought maybe I should try a moisturizing shampoo alone.
Originally Posted by cmartin1
I have 2b/3a hair and can get really spirally, depending on the weather.
One thing I found with my hair is that even a non sulfate shampoo can be drying if used everyday. And that results in less curls.

Why don't you try co-washing for 2 days in a row and then using a nonsulfate shampoo on the 3rd or 4th day? I started out doing that and now I only use a non sulfate shampoo maybe once a month when my hair starts to frizz from being overconditioned or build up.
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fine, wavy - 2b/3a
KCNT and KKCC
My best winter combo for ringlets is CEAHT (a bit left in) followed by plopping and then applying arc angel afterwards. I literally get big goldilocks type ringlets :^)
Lots of Fine easily weighed down 3A curls
PJ currently loving Devacare one c, CEHT,& Durahold but still searching for HGs
Finally grew out my bad layers!!!
I apologize, but I didn't know where to find the acronym thread...what is CEAHT?

Thanks everyone for all of the great advice - keep it coming!
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and horns.
Originally Posted by MaybeWavy
They're ferocious little buggers aren't they?

I'm anxious for you to post pics! I can't remember the shaking part so I'll have to look up what I was talking about there. But CEAHT is Curls Ecstacy Asian Hair Tea conditioner (think I got all the words right ). Unfortunately they've just changed the formula so it's no longer CG. :x I'll be using my last bottle very sparingly, which is a big shame because I get such nice clumpy spirals from it. The last pics I posted I took with my phone-cam, so it made my hair look about 5 shades lighter than it really is. And thank you so much for the kind compliment!
Originally Posted by lushaholic
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JC Aloeba and Aveda flax seed gel are giving me ringlets. And I do mean ringlets not even just long lazy wanna be's. It's a trip. Now if the top of my head would stop going flat I'd be in heaven
2c/3a?
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