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Old 05-07-2013, 01:24 PM   #1
 
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And maybe I am just thinking out loud.. But I was wondering if you could do a sort of rinse with MO shook up with water? I am trying MO as a sealer because I really liked the effect I got with ACV and closing the cuticle, but don't want to use it every day or smell like it since I live in Portland and it tends to rain a lot. I figured I would just use that maybe once a week as a cleanser too.

Anyway I tried MO today mixed with a tiny bit of argan oil just to make it a little easier to spread throughout my hair but I really don't feel like it was able to get it on there well enough. I don't want to use a lot, and with fine frizz-prone hair I have noticed the least amount I have to touch my hair the better. I was thinking that the acv worked so well because it was mixed with water for easy coverage and then rinsed out to detangle and not break my curl patterns which are quite delicate.

I realize that acv and mo don't do the exact same things, but as a cuticle closer I am hoping they might act the same if I did it that way. Anyone try that? or think it MIGHT work? Further more, I was wondering if just a bit of acv in the mix would be even better? So H2O, MO, and ACV, though that doesn't solve the wanting to not use acv too often issue.

Am I just totally clueless here lol?
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I'm a "religious" MO user! It's the greatest thing for holding moisture in, and for keeping excess moisture out! I even used it when I am out in Portland and Seattle!

I mix about 8-10 drops with about a dime or so of LI so it's thickened and easier to distribute.

I put it on soaking wet hair, over LI and before gel, etc.
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Would have thought you'd be best using an emulsifier to get the oil and watery ingredients to mix a little. Perhaps one of the polysorbates? Or if you use gel add the oil to the gel (see YouTube Ecostyler custard recipes).

Diluted vinegar works because it's acidic and hair prefers to be ~4.5, do you know what pH your conditioner is? If it's appropriately low that will do the same job. If you are doing the right dilution of vinegar you should not need to rinse and there should be no smell once your hair is dry.
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I may try mixing it in with a leave in first, but I am currently needing to find a better one since mine has cones and maybe a few other things it shouldn't anyway.

My only concern is that I still have trouble getting it distributed in my hair without breaking up my curls and causing frizz. I find I honestly get the best results when I barely touch it even for my LI. I use so little of that I am ok with it barely distributing usually. I feel like to get the MO on I would really want to concentrate on the frizziest parts which are the worst if I touch them at all.

I'll have to figure that out firefox. I am still trying to decide on gel... I pulled out an old one I used to use today to try and not sure I like it though it's pretty cone heavy. I don't really know when I should use the gel though. Today I tried after plopping because I think it would cause less than stellar results on my fine hair before plopping but I feel like the sealing should be done before. I dunno.
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Put it in soaking wet hair - I actually smooth it down the clumps and then scrunch it in. As long as my hair is really wet and has LI in it, my curls don't get disrupted.
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And maybe I am just thinking out loud.. But I was wondering if you could do a sort of rinse with MO shook up with water? I am trying MO as a sealer because I really liked the effect I got with ACV and closing the cuticle, but don't want to use it every day or smell like it since I live in Portland and it tends to rain a lot. I figured I would just use that maybe once a week as a cleanser too.

Anyway I tried MO today mixed with a tiny bit of argan oil just to make it a little easier to spread throughout my hair but I really don't feel like it was able to get it on there well enough. I don't want to use a lot, and with fine frizz-prone hair I have noticed the least amount I have to touch my hair the better. I was thinking that the acv worked so well because it was mixed with water for easy coverage and then rinsed out to detangle and not break my curl patterns which are quite delicate.

I realize that acv and mo don't do the exact same things, but as a cuticle closer I am hoping they might act the same if I did it that way. Anyone try that? or think it MIGHT work? Further more, I was wondering if just a bit of acv in the mix would be even better? So H2O, MO, and ACV, though that doesn't solve the wanting to not use acv too often issue.

Am I just totally clueless here lol?
What is MO? 😊
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I may try mixing it in with a leave in first, but I am currently needing to find a better one since mine has cones and maybe a few other things it shouldn't anyway.

My only concern is that I still have trouble getting it distributed in my hair without breaking up my curls and causing frizz. I find I honestly get the best results when I barely touch it even for my LI. I use so little of that I am ok with it barely distributing usually. I feel like to get the MO on I would really want to concentrate on the frizziest parts which are the worst if I touch them at all.

I'll have to figure that out firefox. I am still trying to decide on gel... I pulled out an old one I used to use today to try and not sure I like it though it's pretty cone heavy. I don't really know when I should use the gel though. Today I tried after plopping because I think it would cause less than stellar results on my fine hair before plopping but I feel like the sealing should be done before. I dunno.
You can't really make a decision on what techniques work if your products are not CG. Silicones for many of us either drag down curl or leaves you with ill defined curls/ frizz or both, whereas a styler/ gel very much helps you create and hold clumps.

I picked up one technique/ product at a time when I started, until eventually I came to accept CG works best as a full system, with logical modifications if that is not working. You are identifying that you need mineral oil to seal, yet you are already using silicones to seal. CG hair clumps due to hydration but you are not using the products that work towards that goal.
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I may try mixing it in with a leave in first, but I am currently needing to find a better one since mine has cones and maybe a few other things it shouldn't anyway.

My only concern is that I still have trouble getting it distributed in my hair without breaking up my curls and causing frizz. I find I honestly get the best results when I barely touch it even for my LI. I use so little of that I am ok with it barely distributing usually. I feel like to get the MO on I would really want to concentrate on the frizziest parts which are the worst if I touch them at all.

I'll have to figure that out firefox. I am still trying to decide on gel... I pulled out an old one I used to use today to try and not sure I like it though it's pretty cone heavy. I don't really know when I should use the gel though. Today I tried after plopping because I think it would cause less than stellar results on my fine hair before plopping but I feel like the sealing should be done before. I dunno.
You can't really make a decision on what techniques work if your products are not CG. Silicones for many of us either drag down curl or leaves you with ill defined curls/ frizz or both, whereas a styler/ gel very much helps you create and hold clumps.

I picked up one technique/ product at a time when I started, until eventually I came to accept CG works best as a full system, with logical modifications if that is not working. You are identifying that you need mineral oil to seal, yet you are already using silicones to seal. CG hair clumps due to hydration but you are not using the products that work towards that goal.
I'm sorry, but I have to completely disagree with this. There are many ladies out there who do not use CG products and still have amazing looking and healthy hair. Technique is much more important than products, and I have my own hair journey as proof of that. CG isn't an all or nothing concept. Like lots of other things in life you take what you need and leave the rest.
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at this point I am not sure if I will be pure CG or modified, I am just figuring it all out, so some of the products I am using now are just because they are what I bought and I don't want to waste them. I am also still doing research before I decide on any products to try. But I do agree that modified seems to work better for some and everyone just has to find their perfect way through trial and error.
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And maybe I am just thinking out loud.. But I was wondering if you could do a sort of rinse with MO shook up with water? I am trying MO as a sealer because I really liked the effect I got with ACV and closing the cuticle, but don't want to use it every day or smell like it since I live in Portland and it tends to rain a lot. I figured I would just use that maybe once a week as a cleanser too.

Anyway I tried MO today mixed with a tiny bit of argan oil just to make it a little easier to spread throughout my hair but I really don't feel like it was able to get it on there well enough. I don't want to use a lot, and with fine frizz-prone hair I have noticed the least amount I have to touch my hair the better. I was thinking that the acv worked so well because it was mixed with water for easy coverage and then rinsed out to detangle and not break my curl patterns which are quite delicate.

I realize that acv and mo don't do the exact same things, but as a cuticle closer I am hoping they might act the same if I did it that way. Anyone try that? or think it MIGHT work? Further more, I was wondering if just a bit of acv in the mix would be even better? So H2O, MO, and ACV, though that doesn't solve the wanting to not use acv too often issue.

Am I just totally clueless here lol?
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Put it in soaking wet hair - I actually smooth it down the clumps and then scrunch it in. As long as my hair is really wet and has LI in it, my curls don't get disrupted.
I meant to respond to this too, but forgot.

I think your curl pattern might be a bit more resilient than mine. I find even scrunching messes mine up a lot. I have to super lightly scrunch more from the sides to put my LI in if I want to keep a good curl. Likewise if I let water run down my hair it smoothes it out nicely but as soon as I touch it after that it starts to web for lack of a better word and tangle. I also can't flip my hair upside down without it doing the same thing. I have to very carefully turn it over and sort of shake it at the roots with my finger to get it to fall down right and even then I end up with some broken curls. I think having to do these things is why my top curls are so much worse than my under curls and the frizz. The days I am able to do less are usually my better days. I am still trying to find the right method for me for applying product because of this.
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at this point I am not sure if I will be pure CG or modified, I am just figuring it all out, so some of the products I am using now are just because they are what I bought and I don't want to waste them. I am also still doing research before I decide on any products to try. But I do agree that modified seems to work better for some and everyone just has to find their perfect way through trial and error.
Dont worry too much about labels, at the end its about what works for your hair. In the beginning, I think non sulfate cleansers are a safe bet to get started in combo with a gel. Simple. I did the whole cowashing, hated that. After a year full cg my hair is ridiculously healthy and I'm back to 'cones, oils and I just added a sulfate 'poo. Very damaged or dry hair will benefit from the gentler cg products but i have to agree its not about a specific ingredient in and of itself. Many cg products failed despite havig the "best" ingredients. And now I get great results from "bad" ingredients. So experiment, and have fun! Everyone is here to help
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:19 PM   #13
 
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I did add just a little bit of MO to a small water bottle filled with water (has a mist type spray) and tried it on the top layer of hair as a sort of refresher after being out in the heat/wind and I think it did help a little with the frizz. I just sprayed it on and sort of carefully smoothed it down.

So if my other method doesn't end up working out maybe I can fall back on this for the top frizzes once it dries at least. I doubt it will fix them altogether, and I wouldn't want to use too much too often to avoid build-up of the oil, but any little bit helps sometimes.
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I did add just a little bit of MO to a small water bottle filled with water (has a mist type spray) and tried it on the top layer of hair as a sort of refresher after being out in the heat/wind and I think it did help a little with the frizz. I just sprayed it on and sort of carefully smoothed it down.

So if my other method doesn't end up working out maybe I can fall back on this for the top frizzes once it dries at least. I doubt it will fix them altogether, and I wouldn't want to use too much too often to avoid build-up of the oil, but any little bit helps sometimes.
Mineral Oil can only be washed out with a sulfate shampoo or coco betaine, so watch out for that. You should be using a shampoo at least sometimes to avoid build up. Also, wouldn't the oil just sit on top of the water or form little circles in it if you shake the bottle a lot? Like, vinegar and water mix, but oil and water don't. Is mineral oil different?

I'm not sure how normal this is for you, but hair that frizzes when it's still wet can often be a sign of build up or of really dry hair. What conditioner are you using on your hair? What routine are you using? I feel like a moisturizing conditioner is really good at defining the hair and preventing frizz. I can apply conditioner to sopping wet, straight out of the shower hair without a problem though. My hair only frizzing if I manipulate it to much after plopping water out. Is it possible that instead of using a leave in, you could just leave in a bit of your conditioner from the showerand maybe just mix the mineral oil with your shower conditioner and gently rinse a little out, while leaving a bit in.
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You can't really make a decision on what techniques work if your products are not CG. Silicones for many of us either drag down curl or leaves you with ill defined curls/ frizz or both, whereas a styler/ gel very much helps you create and hold clumps.

I picked up one technique/ product at a time when I started, until eventually I came to accept CG works best as a full system, with logical modifications if that is not working. You are identifying that you need mineral oil to seal, yet you are already using silicones to seal. CG hair clumps due to hydration but you are not using the products that work towards that goal.
I don't think you totally have to be CG, but I agree with the last part of this. Your hair will only curl if it's moisturized. People need varying levels of moisture, but generally MO and vinegar aren't going to moisturize most people's hair. You probably need to be using a pretty good conditioner, and clarifying occasionally to make sure that moisture isn't obstructed by buildup.
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I'm sorry, but I have to completely disagree with this. There are many ladies out there who do not use CG products and still have amazing looking and healthy hair. Technique is much more important than products, and I have my own hair journey as proof of that. CG isn't an all or nothing concept. Like lots of other things in life you take what you need and leave the rest.
You have misread and misinterpreted my post. I clearly referred to "logical modifications where appropriate" I did not state or suggest that anyone needs to be hardcore CG. The OP gave the impression that they intend to work on eliminating non CG ingredients particularly silicones in both their conditioner and styling products.
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I did use a shampoo with coco betaine today, and generally use a shampoo every wash that is sulfate free. As for combining the water and oil. I put so little it's hard to say if it mixed in and I can see it beading a bit on the sides of bottle, but somehow just misting those two together out of the same bottle works well enough to spread some around. Perhaps you could mix a little conditioner into the same mix to hold it together more. I don't know. It worked wonders though last night when I sprayed it onto my hair, it was pretty close to frizz free and not oily or weighed down at all. I was almost able to refresh this morning with that same mixture except that my curls got too ruined in my restless sleep.

As for moisture, I am still working on finding that right balance. I don't feel like my hair is exceptionally dry, and sometimes I feel like having somewhat lower porosity and fine hair that it gets over moisturized. I did a DT last weekend and also a PT, but need to find the right treatments for me I think as I wasn't too impressed with either. I also clarified that weekend and will probably do so occasionally as needed or maybe once a week.
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Are you sure you are low porous? It's more common for fine hair to be normal to high porous, and if you find you get OC'd fairly easily, that could be further evidence?
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I am not sure actually. That one really confuses me lol. I did the strand test where you slide your fingers up it.... it felt fairly smooth to me, but it's squeaky, and it's hard to explain but the squeaky factor sort of makes it vibrate so it has resistance that way. If I loosen my pinch on it though and try to feel the texture without getting the squeak it does feel smooth. Furthermore, and I am still experimenting, but sometimes I feel like my hair doesn't do well if I use very much product, so I was thinking maybe it doesn't absorb much. Because I can't make up my mind on the matter I have been kind of going with the assumption it's normal porosity in the middle until I try some more things. The float test, which I know to be somewhat unreliable, was a total fail for me because days later it still wasn't sinking even the slightest bit.
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Are you using products with ingredients that can be absorbed anyway? A lot of stuff does sit on the surface, you may be more prone to noticing build up having fine hair and currently using non water soluble stuff like cones. I used to get build up with commercial products (shampoo and conditioner, no stylers) even tho I have porous hair, my hair always looked good right after colouring because basically the dye clarified for me!! Pre-CG I used a 'light' spray conditioner that was little more than silicone in water, now I use a generous application of a rich cream one but no build up because everything is water soluble. I also notice different cationic surfactant bases give different effects when used as a leave in.

You could try using the conditioner as the emulsifier for the oil and water mix, but I would only make up a tiny batch unless you intend to use a preservative. Mineral oil won't feed microbes AFAIK, diluted conditioner absolutely could. IMO purchase a proper emulsifier like a polysorbate or a preservative.
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