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Old 05-17-2013, 07:28 PM   #61
 
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Thanks to the original poster, and all the other ladies who chimed in on this thread. I started CG in March, and I've become further and further frustrated by the amount of scalp that I have showing on my head throughout the process (it's been 2 months). I have to spend about 10 minutes trying to strategically pin my waves on my top and crown to try to hide all the scalp crack (I've discussed this on the 2 Forum). But it only seems to be getting worse, and the "cracks" seem to be getting wider. Sometimes I catch a glimpse and can see through my hair and sort of see the "horizon" of my scalp, if you can understand what I mean, and that is really devastating (I'm in my mid-30s).

All this time I thought it was because I was learning to deal with my waves, which have been getting more defined and clumping all the way up to the scalp, with a number of cowlicks to make things interesting.

But, I think I'm going to quit all the rubbing and co-washing, which I had been doing almost daily with Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture (I don't like the smell, anyway). I think I will now try to low-poo every 2-3 days, with Nature's Gate Tea Tree. I might pick up some of the Shea Moisture Shampoo others have mentioned and use them alternatingly. I also have Loreal EVERSleek Shampoo, which has no sulfates or silicones.

I hope to start seeing some regrowth on my scalp. I don't look forward to the babyhair frizz, but I know that is temporary, and I really don't want to get any more bald.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:55 PM   #62
 
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@JLeighs: good to know your hair grew back. I hope it will happen to me as well. How often do you shampoo and do you use sulfates or mild surfactants like coco betaine?
I believe the 50/50 is considered a low-poo. Here are the ingredients:

Ingredients: Aqua (water), sodium cocoamphoacetate, lauryl glucoside, sodium cocoyl glutamate, sodium lauryl glucose carboxylate, decyl glucoside, cocamidopropyl betaine, vegetable glycerin, panthenol, potassium sorbate, citric acid, polysorbate 20, phenoxyethanol, natural fragrance, *aloe barbadensis (aloe vera) leaf juice, *helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed oil, *glycine soja (soybean) seed extract, *betula alba extract, *malva sylvestris (mallow) extract, *achillea millefolium extract, *chamomilla recutita (matricaria) flower extract, *equisetum arvense extract, *lavandula angustifolia (lavender) extract, *rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary) leaf extract, *salvia sclarea (clary) extract, *thymus vulgaris (thyme) extract, *tussilago farfara (coltstool) flower extract, *urtica dioica (nettle) extract
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Old 05-18-2013, 02:34 AM   #63
 
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Thanks JLeighs!

And Gloria25 good luck to you as well with growing back your hair!

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Old 05-18-2013, 05:42 AM   #64
 
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i no longer co wash either. this is one of the reasons. i have very thick coarse hair so mine is
definately not fine. i noticed i lost a TON of hair
when cowashing. while i wouldn't scrub HARDER when cowashing compared to shampooing i would
scrub LONGER as i was told i should do it for 3 minutes or so. my scalp didn't like cowashing,it would immediately get a white build up. i noticed
it immediately in my part by my forehead..got a little panicky!..switched back to what i was using and now i have a lot of "new" hair growing in which at first i thought was frizz(heh..)but when i looked closer its all about one or two inch long new hairs all growing in at one time. so i think you will see your hair grow back you just might look like a lil baby bird for a while!lol! i believe that it was a combo of the increased time spent scrubbing(all though gentle) with the conditioner that loosened the hairs? idk,i'm just done with cowashing and am using lowpoos!
Wow three minutes is a long time! Were you doing that often?
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Old 05-18-2013, 07:52 AM   #65
 
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Once you stop co-washing, how long should it take before you stop losing too much hair? I stopped co-washing days ago and switched to a sulfate free conditioner. I washed it yesterday with the shampoo and used a rinse out conditioner afterwards and avoided my scalp. Then I used a little bit of leave-in and a gel. Then today, I skipped the shampoo and rinse out but still added a little leave-in and gel but I still feel like I'm losing too much hair in the shower and it's been at least five days since I last co-washed... I'm trying to be gentle and patient but I'm still worried.
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Once you stop co-washing, how long should it take before you stop losing too much hair? I stopped co-washing days ago and switched to a sulfate free conditioner. I washed it yesterday with the shampoo and used a rinse out conditioner afterwards and avoided my scalp. Then I used a little bit of leave-in and a gel. Then today, I skipped the shampoo and rinse out but still added a little leave-in and gel but I still feel like I'm losing too much hair in the shower and it's been at least five days since I last co-washed... I'm trying to be gentle and patient but I'm still worried.
For me, during my 3rd wash (low-poo) I noticed significant decrease in hair loss in the shower. But I don't know how long any of this "should" take... I'm figuring it out myself. Don't give up yet and be very gentle. I also haven't detangled in the shower anymore. I come out, add some KCKT and detangle then... very gently.
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Old 05-18-2013, 04:50 PM   #67
 
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Okay. Thanks!
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:58 PM   #68
 
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BIg thanks to the OP of this cause you made me very aware of the shedding i was experiencing in the shower - which i have discovered over the last week was mainly due to my over enthusiastic detangling. I've started being gentler to my hair and my shedding has cut in half.
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A previous poster is correct. After reading this thread, I picked up the Curly Girl book and reread some parts, specifically noticing that she mentions you can use a conditioner to cowash OR use a sulfate/cone free cleanser. So those that are switching to a low poo are still curly girl! After experimenting I have noticed that I too have more strands of hair falling out on the days I cowash, plus it makes my hair limp, so I will be switching to low poo for a while too.
Does anyone have any US based sulfate/silicone free shampoos they enjoy? Especially ones with protein!
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A previous poster is correct. After reading this thread, I picked up the Curly Girl book and reread some parts, specifically noticing that she mentions you can use a conditioner to cowash OR use a sulfate/cone free cleanser. So those that are switching to a low poo are still curly girl!
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Does anyone have any US based sulfate/silicone free shampoos they enjoy? Especially ones with protein!
Haven't tried this one but look into Shea Moisture Coconut Hibiscus shampoo. It's the only low-poo w/ protein that I can think of off the top of my head. Giovanni Smooth as Silk low-poo may have protein as well. SheaMoisture Organic Coconut and Hibiscus Curl Control Shampoo - NaturallyCurly.com
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:03 PM   #71
 
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Does anyone have any US based sulfate/silicone free shampoos they enjoy? Especially ones with protein!
Have you tried Renpure Keratin? I found it gentle enough for daily use, it's pretty inexpensive, and it has protein.
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Old 05-19-2013, 05:11 PM   #72
 
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A previous poster is correct. After reading this thread, I picked up the Curly Girl book and reread some parts, specifically noticing that she mentions you can use a conditioner to cowash OR use a sulfate/cone free cleanser. So those that are switching to a low poo are still curly girl! After experimenting I have noticed that I too have more strands of hair falling out on the days I cowash, plus it makes my hair limp, so I will be switching to low poo for a while too.
Does anyone have any US based sulfate/silicone free shampoos they enjoy? Especially ones with protein!
DermOrganics shampoo is CG and has silk amino acids (precursor to protein), also several of the Mill Creek Botanicals poos have protein.
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Old 05-20-2013, 02:25 PM   #73
 
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this thread confuses me. (but I've been co-washing for about a decade now)

Those of you that have stopped, are you still using conditioner after each shampoo? Are you using less conditioner? I guess I'm trying to figure out how you narrowed it down the conditioner being the issue.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:57 PM   #74
 
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I still use a RO but not on my scalp anymore.

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Old 05-21-2013, 08:57 PM   #75
 
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this thread confuses me. (but I've been co-washing for about a decade now)

Those of you that have stopped, are you still using conditioner after each shampoo? Are you using less conditioner? I guess I'm trying to figure out how you narrowed it down the conditioner being the issue.
I'm still figuring it out but I shampoo and then use a rinse out and a leave-in afterwards but avoid my scalp. Then, for the next couple days, I still wet my hair every time I shower but I'll skip the shampoo and the rinse out but still use a leave-in (again, avoiding my scalp) and I've noticed less hair loss in the shower.
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this thread confuses me. (but I've been co-washing for about a decade now)

Those of you that have stopped, are you still using conditioner after each shampoo? Are you using less conditioner? I guess I'm trying to figure out how you narrowed it down the conditioner being the issue.
I've found the best results for myself if I do my entire routine with my head hanging over the side of the tub, upside down. So this week, when I quit co-washing, I am no longer massaging into my scalp the conditioner I was washing with. Now I do a gentle and quick scalp cleaning with Nature's Gate Tea Tree Shampoo, rinse that out, condition the length but not the scalp (this is easy since I'm hanging upside down) and rinse out, then apply leave-in conditioner, but not touching the scalp. Before, I was purposefully applying the conditioner to my scalp and gently scrubbing it.

After 3 low-poo washes (I think you can call Nature's Gate "low-poo"), I have definitely noticed less hair going into the trash can during my routine.
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Same with the above posters. I've been shampooing (low-poo) the scalp, letting some of the suds go down my lengths while rinsing, then add RO, rinse, then step out of the shower and add KCKT and gently detangle. Sometimes I've been adding a heavier LI on top of the KCKT. This has radically reduced shedding. I also haven't been plopping or scrunching and pressing the lengths up to the scalp. Basically I don't let conditioner or conditioned locks touch my scalp anymore. I wish I could because I think it was helping my scalp in other ways (dryness) but yikes w/ the shedding.
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so i feel like my hair has gotten limp and very thin too over the year ive been cowashing. Im losing curl too. it might be cos im getting older and my hair kinda changed and calmed down over the years but either way im gonna just low poo for a little while and not cowash and see how my hair reacts. I remember when I wash my hair its nice and full. latley cowashing has made my hair very bad. limp. frizzy.
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so i feel like my hair has gotten limp and very thin too over the year ive been cowashing. Im losing curl too. it might be cos im getting older and my hair kinda changed and calmed down over the years but either way im gonna just low poo for a little while and not cowash and see how my hair reacts. I remember when I wash my hair its nice and full. latley cowashing has made my hair very bad. limp. frizzy.
Do you do protein treatments? Limp, soft and frizzy can mean overconditioned. Try upping the protein and seeing if that helps.

Thinning could be due to excess shedding from cowashing... it could also be your hair changing over time. Try protein first, see if that helps. If you think your hair is thinning from excess shedding you could try to go low-poo for a while and see if that helps.

Either way, if you co-wash or low-poo, just be very gentle in detangling while the scalp is wet/conditioned. That's when the follicles are at their weakest. It's also a good idea to detangle w/ a conditioner that has great slip. There's lots of good RO's out there that are moisturizing but don't necessarily have great slip. I'm no expert on detanglers but recently I've been using KCKT to detangle and it's awesome.
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yeah im using protein once a week on my hair cos that's all it can handle. I used a product today with it actually. I'm doing a week of low poos and seeing how my hair is in a week. so far my hair is back to life. pretty sad that a gentle shampoo or a low poo is better then cowashing.
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