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Old 05-13-2013, 10:28 AM   #1
 
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Default Does anybody else's hair not like ingredients according to your hair type?

I'm new here, but I'm not new to the world of haircare and after reading about what ingredients should work for my hair properties, I'm surprised to see that pretty much the exact opposite does!

My hair properties are:
- fine
-damaged
-long
-heavily highlighted
-2a

My hair absolutely hates protein though, and LOVES oils. The more oils the better. Pre-shampoo, oil filled conditioner, then some more as a leave in along with my serum that has oils in it. Deep conditioners full of humectants (like GVP balm) don't work nearly as well as a simple pre-shampoo coating of oil. My daughter's hair is like this too, but she has thick, 3a hair, virgin hair (opposite of mine, lol). Does anyone else have rebellious hair like me?
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:14 PM   #2
 
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It's quite normal for damaged/ colour treated/ porous hair to like oils especially those containing fatty acids which can be absorbed. Long hair can have no cuticle at all at the ends, especially if it has been chemical treated. Not sure how that would respond to protein since there are no 'gaps' to be filled but oil should have a protective effect.

What do you mean by hates protein, which specific protein(s) and hydrolysed or not? Were you doing a hardcore deep condition afterwards? How often? Liking humectants can depend on the weather/ dew points. Many times people identify the wrong culprit or hero ingredient or don't appreciate the effect of combinations, much of the time we are not using ingredients in isolation.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
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Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:22 PM   #3
 
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What do you mean by hates protein, which specific protein(s) and hydrolysed or not? Were you doing a hardcore deep condition afterwards? How often? Liking humectants can depend on the weather/ dew points. Many times people identify the wrong culprit or hero ingredient or don't appreciate the effect of combinations, much of the time we are not using ingredients in isolation.
I agree. I'm protein sensitive and even my hair is okay with some proteins like oat. The wheat and quinoa proteins are the worse and quantity effects my hair as well. Also if your hair is damaged, and not just limp in the way fine hair gets sometimes, you probably need protein and moisture together or your hair will just feel dry.

If your hair is truly protein sensitive, which I can't imagine it is unless it isn't as damaged as you think, I would try coconut oils and other oils valued for helping your hair retain protein.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:48 PM   #4
 
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My hair is definitely damaged as its been through multiple rounds of bleach. I wouldn't say it's limp though, it's only flat at the roots where it's actually healthy. Hardcore protein is out of the question, I'm talking about protein containing conditioners, they all just leave my hair crunchy and tangled. The only product my hair doesn't mind protein in is shampoo. Of course not ALL protein containing products spell disaster, but I just avoid them because even if the product isn't bad, a non-protein one would probably be better. I do use and love coconut oil, maybe it's retaining the small amount of protein my shampoo has and that's all I need? My hair also doesn't like humectants very much, but I think that's more of a weather related thing. My hair is fine but not thin and it can really frizz out.
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Old 05-13-2013, 01:52 PM   #5
 
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My hair is definitely damaged as its been through multiple rounds of bleach. I wouldn't say it's limp though, it's only flat at the roots where it's actually healthy. Hardcore protein is out of the question, I'm talking about protein containing conditioners, they all just leave my hair crunchy and tangled. The only product my hair doesn't mind protein in is shampoo. Of course not ALL protein containing products spell disaster, but I just avoid them because even if the product isn't bad, a non-protein one would probably be better. I do use and love coconut oil, maybe it's retaining the small amount of protein my shampoo has and that's all I need? My hair also doesn't like humectants very much, but I think that's more of a weather related thing. My hair is fine but not thin and it can really frizz out.
As I understand it the best for absorption is hydrolysed proteins in a water base, condition separately otherwise the ingredients fight. Conditioning agents and oils seal the cuticle so the protein is less able to be absorbed and may build up on the surface. This is what I was meaning about us not using single ingredients at a time complicating matters when we try to identify a culprit.

Proteins that are not hydrolysed will not absorb they can just clog up the surface, the smallest proteins are apparently hydrolysed collagen. Hardcore proteins leave many of us with crunchy tangled hair, then you intensive condition. It takes my hair a second wash to be happy, perhaps because the product I use contains hydrolysed and non hydrolysed protein. Many of us who are not truly protein sensitive do not benefit from protein every wash, it's too drying and we need moisture more.

Your shampoo may be helping the coconut oil penetrate, there even is a technique called the coconut oil shampoo or Movie Star Method which plays on this. The oils also protect the hair from the damaging effects of harsher surfactants. Personally I find all shampoos make my colour damaged hair frizz due to the charge on the hair and stripping effect, co-washing really helps but that does not always work for those with fine hair.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG, growing out mechanical and chemical damage = breakage and very high porosity. Past armpit length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics
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