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Old 05-17-2013, 12:48 AM   #21
 
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Thanks for sharing, Jessiebanana! I'll wait a few more weeks and see if my moisture balances itself out.

Shelly, thank you for you reply! Once I finish CQ, I'm eliminating the polyquats. I don't have much left any more, luckily.

I also lean more towards lighter, rich products. I am going to try kathymack's suggestion though if my balance has not restored, and see what happens when I RO with the argan and olive oil conditioner occasionally. Or perhaps just apply it to the ends, because the rest of my hair isn't that dry.

I'm not going to try coconut oil. It's likely my hair will not absorb it at all and will coat it so I'll steer clear of that.

I don't experience any build-up from GPB, just from the polyquats in CQ.

I'm looking at kathymack's signature as well. I'm curious about the CK Coil Jam and I discovered that ordering is really easy, yet shipping is way more expensive than the product itself! I should get at least two products before shipping it less than the product total. Weird, isn't it? I'm just not sure if these products would be to heavy for me or not. I'm trying to figure out what the particular ingredients could do for my hair.

Also waiting to hear what kathymack thinks about the Soufflé. Have you used that, Shelly?

Wild_n_Curly21, kathymack isn't a brand, lol! She's a curly member and has a lot of experience as well as knowledge. Her advice has helped so many people already. She posted on this thread, too.
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My hair always likes Inecto Cocos Conditioner after using proteinrich RO/PT and you can buy that anywhere (in Netherlands). It's not too expensive and CG. I also like Motions CPR Triple Leave In Conditioner (Etos) as a RO or LI. It's light and moisturizing, no oils. These two generic brands I keep buying over and over for years now. They can also be used in homemade DT's.

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Is the Inecto conditioner really CG? I remember standing in a store like 2 weeks ago, watching Inecto things and putting it back on the shelf. Probably because it wasn't CG but I'm not sure.

Does anyone know if Kathymack also ships to Europe?
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Is the Inecto conditioner really CG? I remember standing in a store like 2 weeks ago, watching Inecto things and putting it back on the shelf. Probably because it wasn't CG but I'm not sure.

Does anyone know if Kathymack also ships to Europe?
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The regular Inecto conditioner in the tall bottle is CG, everything else in the line contains silicones IIRC. Ingredients are "water, cetearyl alcohol, stearalkonium chloride, cetrimonium chloride, coconut oil, fragrance, magnesium nitrate, methylchloro-isothiazolinone, magnesium chloride, methylisothiazolinone, citric acid."
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I'm not sure how to do multiple quotes so here goes. First off I have definitely improved my hair dramatically because of kathymack!!!! And I now use several of her products in her signature. But I believe that CJCQ has polyquats in it,double check the ingredients. The CJ strengthening conditioner also contains polyquats.

I used to use up to 3 different kinds of gel daily to help with hold, but realized that this was causing my hair to be dry and tangled. Using more natural healthy products, and minimizing the products I use in my routine has been very beneficial.

I found to not really like CJ conditioners, just didn't seem to do anything good for my hair. I am now using sevi pumpkin conditioner for my RO, thanks to kathymack again lol...I also like suave naturals coconut conditioner for cheap rec. I'd definitely lean towards lighter rich products than heavy oily ones.

I used coconut oil when I first started CG, and it was a disaster!!!!! My hair never absorbed it, and it Just coated my hair. It took me couple of months to reverse the damage ugh.

I'm also wondering if there might be an ingredient in GPB that could cause buildup issues. I had to do a heavy cleanser to remove all the buildup.I have very hard water, so I'm not sure if it was just some mineral buildup. I'm slowly adding GPB back into my routine, since my hair dose like it.

I really didn't give you any suggestions, but since our hair behaves the same; figured I could share my experiences. Good luck
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Old 05-17-2013, 05:44 AM   #26
 
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Thanks for sharing, Jessiebanana! I'll wait a few more weeks and see if my moisture balances itself out.

Shelly, thank you for you reply! Once I finish CQ, I'm eliminating the polyquats. I don't have much left any more, luckily.

I also lean more towards lighter, rich products. I am going to try kathymack's suggestion though if my balance has not restored, and see what happens when I RO with the argan and olive oil conditioner occasionally. Or perhaps just apply it to the ends, because the rest of my hair isn't that dry.

I'm not going to try coconut oil. It's likely my hair will not absorb it at all and will coat it so I'll steer clear of that.

I don't experience any build-up from GPB, just from the polyquats in CQ.

I'm looking at kathymack's signature as well. I'm curious about the CK Coil Jam and I discovered that ordering is really easy, yet shipping is way more expensive than the product itself! I should get at least two products before shipping it less than the product total. Weird, isn't it? I'm just not sure if these products would be to heavy for me or not. I'm trying to figure out what the particular ingredients could do for my hair.

Also waiting to hear what kathymack thinks about the Soufflé. Have you used that, Shelly?
I have coil jam and I really like it. I only need small amount for my midback length; I use about a dime size. Its rich and moisturizing but not heavy. It gives me great clumps too. I alwsys seem to reach for this; use just a dab over my okra gel. I do feel ghat you would need some kind of jelly on top for hold. I dont use gel anymore, I use "jelly" type products instead. They have healthier ingredients for your hair ( again from kathymack )I also have satin roots LI which is also awesome. Was using it everywash in winter, rich but light. Have stopped using LI all together with the FL humidity. I was thinking of the ordering the conditioner, since the other 2 products from the line are wonderful.

I'm glad to hear that GPB has not caused buildup issues. Must be just the mineral issues from my water.

I have not tried the souffle. Have been thinking about it, but am happy with my okra gel right now.

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Old 05-17-2013, 07:54 AM   #27
 
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Shelly, if you're happy with what you use right now, don't get the Soufflé I was happy with my previous low-poo and conditioner and although I was curious about so many other products, I just stuck to what I already had because it worked for me. Too bad they discontinued those.

What do you use for hold? Hold is my biggest problem.
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I've been adding agave nectar to my okra gel. It is really easy to make and its pretty cheap. I bought all the addins ingredients for like $50, but this will provide few years worth of use. So its like $15-20 a year!!! Can't beat that!!! Plus you can customize it to what your hair needs- more moisture, or protein or hold or all 3!!!

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I've actually managed to accidentally avoid polyquats my entire CG life. I'm going to try CIAB even though it has polyquat 10. I low poo so I hope everything is fine.

I know different things work for everyone. I can't use poo bars and Kathy can, so we'll see. It's also one polyquat and not a ton.
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Jessiebanana, most people aren't bothered by polyquats at all I'm just hoping I will discover things that actually work and not just the things that don't work (useful to know, yes, but I want my curls to look good).
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Is the Inecto conditioner really CG? I remember standing in a store like 2 weeks ago, watching Inecto things and putting it back on the shelf. Probably because it wasn't CG but I'm not sure.

Does anyone know if Kathymack also ships to Europe?
(if Kathymack Herself, yes with capital H, reads this: hi!)
The regular Inecto conditioner in the tall bottle is CG, everything else in the line contains silicones IIRC. Ingredients are "water, cetearyl alcohol, stearalkonium chloride, cetrimonium chloride, coconut oil, fragrance, magnesium nitrate, methylchloro-isothiazolinone, magnesium chloride, methylisothiazolinone, citric acid."
@Neleke: Firefox is absolutely right, no bad stuff in the inecto co!

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I decided to take a gamble and experiment a little. This is day five since washing my hair. I sprayed it wet with warm water, hoping it would slightly open my cuticles. Then I added some random amount of the Beauticurls Argan and Olive Oil conditioner. Not a lot but I wasn't exactly measuring the amount either. Sprayed this mix on my hair as well. Then gently combed it with my wide tooth comb. Applied a very generous amount of CQ (I'm still baffled by how much I need. All my other styling products I ever used needed just minute amounts). Plopped for about 15 minutes. Now waited until it's air dried. Curious to see the results.

Kathymack, what's your first impression of the Soufflé?
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Kathymack, what's your first impression of the Soufflé?
I usually like to use a product a few times before "evaluating" it. We had a beautiful Spring day. Weatherman said the dewpoint was low, but didn't say what it was and I didn't look it up. I decided to use one rich product under the Souffle--CK Curlycue ReNew (I love it under KCCC.) While it was drying, I thought I was going to have more surface frizz then usual. I didn't. My hair actually looked good. It didn't feel as soft (and productless feeling) as it usually does. Don't remember having to really scrunch it out a lot.

I don't do second day hair. But I will say, it's a little softer this am. Don't know if that's because I slept on it, or more of it absorbed.

I'm getting haircut/highlight today. I do get my hair cut every six weeks, so this was the last day of my haircut. My hair grows fast--it's usually between my avatar and signature pictures. So, I don't know if that influenced it. I'll have to use it next week.
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Sounds good so far. I'll ask again in a few weeks

Do you go to a curl specialist? Last time I asked my hairdresser about my properties but she had no idea what I was talking about. Makes me wonder whether I still want to go there. She also uses sulfates and cones, which basically ruins my healthy hair. The thing is, curl specialists are so expensive I can't afford them. I really need to get a haircut (it's been six months now - I usually go every three or four months or so) but I just can't decide what I want to do.
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Sounds good so far. I'll ask again in a few weeks

Do you go to a curl specialist? Last time I asked my hairdresser about my properties but she had no idea what I was talking about. Makes me wonder whether I still want to go there. She also uses sulfates and cones, which basically ruins my healthy hair. The thing is, curl specialists are so expensive I can't afford them. I really need to get a haircut (it's been six months now - I usually go every three or four months or so) but I just can't decide what I want to do.
Can you turn up at the salon with clean wet hair or take your own products? I do that because my eczematous skin cannot tolerate sulphates, I'm not paying anyone to damage my skin or my curls!

Hairdressing colleges are good if you want a cheap cut, they take a little longer but are usually very well supervised. And you could help educate the next generation of hairdressers on the Curly Girl method. The other option is to trim your own ends to keep them healthy whilst you decide, it's not difficult. If you went to a student or trimmed your own ends could you afford too see a curl specialist say once a year?
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Sounds good so far. I'll ask again in a few weeks

Do you go to a curl specialist? Last time I asked my hairdresser about my properties but she had no idea what I was talking about. Makes me wonder whether I still want to go there. She also uses sulfates and cones, which basically ruins my healthy hair. The thing is, curl specialists are so expensive I can't afford them. I really need to get a haircut (it's been six months now - I usually go every three or four months or so) but I just can't decide what I want to do.
Can you turn up at the salon with clean wet hair or take your own products? I do that because my eczematous skin cannot tolerate sulphates, I'm not paying anyone to damage my skin or my curls!

Hairdressing colleges are good if you want a cheap cut, they take a little longer but are usually very well supervised. And you could help educate the next generation of hairdressers on the Curly Girl method. The other option is to trim your own ends to keep them healthy whilst you decide, it's not difficult. If you went to a student or trimmed your own ends could you afford too see a curl specialist say once a year?
I don't dare trim it myself because I always get a layered cut. My hair is really heavy and my curls benefit from that. I never considered taking my own products; I just might do that! My hairdresser is very curious about everything I do right now, so I've been trying to convert her.

I might, yeah. Sometimes I think I should just continue what I do right now (but then taking my own products) and see the curl specialist whenever I'm having some extra money. Besides, I'll graduate for my master's degree in about a year and I'm hoping to have a full-time job in July 2014. Then the specialist would be more affordable.
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I don't dare trim it myself because I always get a layered cut. My hair is really heavy and my curls benefit from that. I never considered taking my own products; I just might do that! My hairdresser is very curious about everything I do right now, so I've been trying to convert her.

I might, yeah. Sometimes I think I should just continue what I do right now (but then taking my own products) and see the curl specialist whenever I'm having some extra money. Besides, I'll graduate for my master's degree in about a year and I'm hoping to have a full-time job in July 2014. Then the specialist would be more affordable.
A specialist cut sounds like a lovely reward for all your hard work on the masters degree, something to look forward to!

I am surprised more hairdressers don't stock sulphate and silicone free products because sulphates are known to damage the skin barrier and have been implicated in dermatitis, plus silicones trigger acne for some. These are common dermatological disorders, I would have thought it would be a Unique Selling Point to advertise their scientific knowledge about skin and hair health. They do advertise supposedly gentler hair dyes why not other haircare products?
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Okay so I'm either having a really good hair day, or it is the diluted improvised leave-in with CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil I experimented with today that gives me great hair. It's defined, frizz-free (not that I have a lot of frizz, but still), big, chunky curls, voluminous, you name it. No massive hold, but that was not what I was expecting anyway. At least it's not weighed down! Curious to see what happens tomorrow when I do this again. Maybe it's a total fail, maybe it's a hit. Worth giving a try, because my curls feel healthier than ever!
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I don't dare trim it myself because I always get a layered cut. My hair is really heavy and my curls benefit from that. I never considered taking my own products; I just might do that! My hairdresser is very curious about everything I do right now, so I've been trying to convert her.

I might, yeah. Sometimes I think I should just continue what I do right now (but then taking my own products) and see the curl specialist whenever I'm having some extra money. Besides, I'll graduate for my master's degree in about a year and I'm hoping to have a full-time job in July 2014. Then the specialist would be more affordable.
A specialist cut sounds like a lovely reward for all your hard work on the masters degree, something to look forward to!

I am surprised more hairdressers don't stock sulphate and silicone free products because sulphates are known to damage the skin barrier and have been implicated in dermatitis, plus silicones trigger acne for some. These are common dermatological disorders, I would have thought it would be a Unique Selling Point to advertise their scientific knowledge about skin and hair health. They do advertise supposedly gentler hair dyes why not other haircare products?
I'm not just surprised, I'm baffled. I've known only one hairdresser who was aware of the influence of silicones on your hair and how they may coat it and cause build-up. It's because of her that I decided to switch to silicone-free products and skipped sulfates as well. My current hairdresser had no idea until I mentioned it to her.

It's starting to become a trend here though. At least, that's what I'm thinking. One supermarket/drugstore brand called Andrélon just released a new product line called "purely natural" (not literally translated but this covers their message) and proudly advertise that they don't have any cones or parabens. However, they cram it with plenty of other chemicals and the shampoo contains sulfates. They're abusing the new knowledge that comes to them purely for commercial reasons.

I think hairdressers should know about hair properties, how to determine them and how to advise customers. It would save so many people a lot of frustration. I feel like: if I can know this while this is not my profession, then how can you not know? How can you miss such an essential piece of knowledge?
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I'm not just surprised, I'm baffled. I've known only one hairdresser who was aware of the influence of silicones on your hair and how they may coat it and cause build-up. It's because of her that I decided to switch to silicone-free products and skipped sulfates as well. My current hairdresser had no idea until I mentioned it to her.

It's starting to become a trend here though. At least, that's what I'm thinking. One supermarket/drugstore brand called Andrélon just released a new product line called "purely natural" (not literally translated but this covers their message) and proudly advertise that they don't have any cones or parabens. However, they cram it with plenty of other chemicals and the shampoo contains sulfates. They're abusing the new knowledge that comes to them purely for commercial reasons.

I think hairdressers should know about hair properties, how to determine them and how to advise customers. It would save so many people a lot of frustration. I feel like: if I can know this while this is not my profession, then how can you not know? How can you miss such an essential piece of knowledge?
I know exactly what you mean. Here in the UK the hairdresser qualification is quite a low level, you could be qualified by age 18. It seems to me some stylists take their profession seriously and continue with educating themselves but too many stick with the low level education they received. I suspect the course content is not keeping pace with the published research either.

To be fair I've known of doctors and pharmacists who know jack about the latest research (2010) clearly showing sulphates thin even healthy skin, it was only last year my own mother was sold aqueous cream (1% SLS!) for a rash that was triggered by a sulphate surfactant face wash. It is me that had her switch to a sulphate free shampoo and her SD reduced by at least 50% within a very short time.

Honestly I'd be happy if sulphate surfactants became obsolete in cosmetic products.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG, growing out mechanical and chemical damage = breakage and very high porosity. Past armpit length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics
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