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Old 05-19-2013, 11:00 PM   #1
 
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Default Wanna go back cone-free again, a question!

I am a guy with wavy/curly almost arm-pit length hair, cones have been ruining my hair lately.

I want to clarify with my sulfate-poo for the last time. I, however, discovered that it also has a cone! Will this be an issue for clarifying? Or the cone will be obviously eliminated since it is also being accompanied by SLS?
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You are best clarifying with a non moisturising/ clear type shampoo, you can use shower gel if you don't want to purchase another harsh shampoo. Doesn't have to be SLS, the main surfactant can be cocoamidipropyl betaine.
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Aha thanks. But does the one I mentioned in my original post work?
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Like I said non moisturising, generally silicones are in shampoos sold as having some sort of repairing or moisturising effect. I don't know what the product or ingredients are so cannot comment further.
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It is Clear anti-dandruff shampoo, it has SLS + Dimethicone!
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It is Clear anti-dandruff shampoo, it has SLS + Dimethicone!
Again I don't know what the product or ingredients are so cannot comment further.
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Old 05-20-2013, 05:17 AM   #7
 
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Don't use any shampoo with dimethicone for your final clarifying wash.
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Thank you Chloe for your answer! Actually first week on cones was amazing, but I guess cones start to show their evil face their on, my hair is now fully frizzy and my curls are not as defined as before! Even though I washed it in the morning (maybe because it's already full of cones, hence can't absorb moisture?), what was more annoying is that I discovered that my leave-in cream also had a cone!

Now I am gonna clarify with a plain SLS shampoo without any cone, then start co-washing with the ONLY mask I found which is cone-free (yes, I literally searched all the market!), it is: Garnier Fructis Sleek & Shine Fortifying Mask, I hope it works, I know that it may take time but I prefer to be non-coney. I also couldn't find any sulfate-free shampoo for future washes, so I am not sure how I am gonna manage that!

One more thing to add, I have this Vatika Coconut hair oil, will this help if I deep-use it once a week?
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Old 05-20-2013, 06:42 AM   #9
 
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A few possibilities for sulfate-free (and silicone-free) shampoo: Renpure Keratin or Argan Oil, Mill Creek Botanicals, Shea Moisture. I know there are lots more, but I don't really use them (I have a gentle sulfate shampoo that my hair prefers).
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So I was lucky to find a shampoo without any cone; Dimethicone is literally everywhere! I found this HE shine shampoo, it only has a SLS, so I am feeling great after clarifying. Goodbye evil cones! I immediately conditioned with, again the only one which I found to be cone-free, Garnier Fructis Sleek & Shine fortifying mask, I definitely feel better! Next time, with the first co-wash, I am sure my hair will be even better!

Now I gotta find a leave-in conditioner which is CONE-FREE in a market where cones are everywhere!

A question, if I use Vatika coconut hair oil once per week as a deep deep conditioner, will it help me now? Since I guess build-ups from cones were everywhere; probably preventing from any moisturizing.
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I'm not familiar with that specific product. I just use a regular conditioner as my leave-in. A few silicone-free options include Tresemme Naturals, ION Effective Care (if you have a Sally's nearby), Shea Mousture, or my personal favorite, Regis Olive Oil (I get it at the salon in WalMart). The L'Oreal EverSLEEK line is cone-free, but has a strong fragrance. Garnier Fructis does have one or two conditioners without silicones, but you have to check the labels. The other thing to keep in mind is that if there is a PPG or PEG before dimethicone, it's water soluble, so it's safe to use even with conditioner only cleansing. That should give you a few more possibilities.
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So I was lucky to find a shampoo without any cone; Dimethicone is literally everywhere! I found this HE shine shampoo, it only has a SLS, so I am feeling great after clarifying. Goodbye evil cones! I immediately conditioned with, again the only one which I found to be cone-free, Garnier Fructis Sleek & Shine fortifying mask, I definitely feel better! Next time, with the first co-wash, I am sure my hair will be even better!

Now I gotta find a leave-in conditioner which is CONE-FREE in a market where cones are everywhere!

A question, if I use Vatika coconut hair oil once per week as a deep deep conditioner, will it help me now? Since I guess build-ups from cones were everywhere; probably preventing from any moisturizing.
Do you mean Herbal Essence? I'm trying to find a good plain ol' clarifiying shampoo with no cones. I bought familiar, old-school Prell--it used to be so harsh. Between being so surprised to see it still on the market and loving the clean scent so much, I missed both of the cones in the ingredient list.
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Honeycurls, I am sorry to hear that! Yes, I mean Herbal Essences (Great Shine or something), it's a green bottle. It doesn't have any cone, only plain sulfates.
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Johnson's baby shampoo, the original one, is good to use as a clarifier- plus u can buy the little travel size bottle. Or any of the suave naturals shampoos- they're cheap.
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Honeycurls, I am sorry to hear that! Yes, I mean Herbal Essences (Great Shine or something), it's a green bottle. It doesn't have any cone, only plain sulfates.
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Johnson's baby shampoo, the original one, is good to use as a clarifier- plus u can buy the little travel size bottle. Or any of the suave naturals shampoos- they're cheap.
Thanks, daredevil. The real tragedy here is that I left the lid on my other clarifying shampoo slightly open, and because I store it upside down in the shower to make it easy to use, nearly all of it leaked out. And, you can't buy it anywhere here in the US.

Chloe, I was thinking the same thing. I have a little travel bottle of Johnsons, and was wondering if it would work. We have a couple of different Suaves, too, but they have other stuff my hair doesn't seem to like. I'll take a second look at the ingredients. Thanks for the suggestions!
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Urgh, so what I thought were 'cones, are, in fact, not cones...but even worse. Prell contains Benzophenone-2, which is thyrotoxic, and all 3 Suave "Naturals" have methylisothiazlinone, which is believed to be neurotoxic.

I'm sure the 20 seconds this stuff spends on my head 3 times a year won't render these shampoos toxic, but it's still disconcerting.
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