IS there a gel - OR a mousse - without

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Well, Ill use up what I have of CK and then perhaps re consider. I have wondered about CIAB also. I will have to research the difference between the 2 products.
Myrna, the LALPS has no glycerin, no protein, and apparently no polyquats.

It does have a "man-ish" scent to it, but it's not strong and it fades completely once it's dried.

I'd give it a try, and the JCRR, too!
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
It has hydrogenated castor oil, I believe... : (
Oh, sorry. I didn't realize that, or that you had issues with it.
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
LOL, Jas, not your fault, my hair seems to have issues with everything. Depending on this, depending on that - this morning I applied Deva mousse over my CK. We'll see about that. I am tempted to consider KCCC since it works well for so many here....
Kiss My Face Upper Management Gel should fit your no glycerin, polyquat or protein quest.

It is a little weird though. I get that flash-drying effect but I get that from KCCC as well. I don't know if that's something I should just get over. Don't love the feeling though. Must be the aloe?
So will coco-betaine not remove polyquats? It has to be a sulfate? What about EDTA?

I posted about LAPS awhile back - I'd always been told it was protein heavy, but my bottle doesn't list even one! LALS is higher - it has two, but even they aren't hydrogenated.

Myrna, LALPS might be a good one to try. And it's dirt cheap!
Originally Posted by Jas76
Here is a great article about polyquats:
Low-Shampoo or Co-Wash Routines and Polyquats
CG since 3/1/13
3B; Low porosity, Coarse, & Extremely Protein Sensitive
Very high density, waist length

Co wash: Suave Clarifying or Sun Ripened Strawberry
RO: Sun Ripened Strawberry, TN, or TN w/ veg glycerin
Sealer: apricot oil
Styler: 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard, Pantene Curl Defining Mousse, or BB "Mudd"
Using a hard water filter, microfiber towel, & silk head scarves & pillowcases

Avoiding: protein, coconut, & parabens
Kiss My Face Upper Management Gel should fit your no glycerin, polyquat or protein quest.

It is a little weird though. I get that flash-drying effect but I get that from KCCC as well. I don't know if that's something I should just get over. Don't love the feeling though. Must be the aloe?
Originally Posted by PomegranateCurl
Pomegranate,

I couldn't use KCCC either. It could've been the aloe. I was initially thinking it might've been because of the horsetail, chamomile, nettle and/or marshmallow. I also didn't like KCKT which also has some of those ingredients. My thinking was they're all plants and plants have protein (although I'm still a bit confused on what size can penetrate the shaft). They were also listed high up in the ingredient list. Whichever ingredient it was it was acting as a protein/strengthener in my hair too!

Personally I'm also avoiding panthenol (which is in the Kiss My Face gel) since I understand it to be a strengthener which acts like protein for those of us who are really sensitive.

Sigh.
CG since 3/1/13
3B; Low porosity, Coarse, & Extremely Protein Sensitive
Very high density, waist length

Co wash: Suave Clarifying or Sun Ripened Strawberry
RO: Sun Ripened Strawberry, TN, or TN w/ veg glycerin
Sealer: apricot oil
Styler: 4 Naturals Spring Back Custard, Pantene Curl Defining Mousse, or BB "Mudd"
Using a hard water filter, microfiber towel, & silk head scarves & pillowcases

Avoiding: protein, coconut, & parabens
Misbehave, you may be on to something with proteins that may be in those ingredients.

Silly story... my bf uses all my shampoos/conditioners since well... I guess it's convenient and I have a ton anyway. Soo he's CG as well now by default! Anyway, today lol he decided to use some of my KCKT (I think half as joke) and it turned his hair hard. His hair is very different than mine: 1c, coarse, low-porosity, dense. (I've determined.) I'm thinking maybe the KCKT had some proteins in it and it didn't agree w/ his low-porosity, coarse hair, whereas the KCKT alone has never had that effect on my hair. In any case I don't think it has a lot of proteins, but maybe a little.

Sorry, don't mean to guano Myrna's thread.
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PC, I thought guano was batsh-t...

I cant use protein on my hair consistantly. I seem to be having the best luck now with CK and Deva Foam. Doesnt surprise me; I had good luck with Deva foam last summer.

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