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Old 05-23-2013, 09:07 AM   #1
 
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I have really curly, thin hair. Last year, I tried the No-Poo method and found all it did was make my hair have frizzy bit sticking out from my hair. Is it just because it doesnít work for me or is there a way to combat this.
Iím so fed up with my hair, I canít wear it down at all, and I havenít for years. I hate my curls, they are really ugly and giant and just ugh compared to all the pretty curls Iíve seen on here. Is there anyway to loosen my curls or make them nicer?
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:39 AM   #2
 
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Do you have a picture of your hair for reference?

The no-poo method can work well but it depends on what products one is using. What were/are they?

What is your technique normally like on wash day or while styling your hair? What is it that you do, in other words? I think we'd need a little more information .
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:19 PM   #3
 
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Controlling frizz is down to your conditioners, styling products and overall techniques. Conditioner only washing is not right for everyone, those with thin hair can appreciate the volume from shampoo, or you may have selected a product that was simply not right for your hair. Maybe try the whole Curly Girl with a gentle sulphate free shampoo?

Be careful with daily up dos, I damaged my hair quite badly partly by wearing 24/7 ponytails, even tho I used no snag bands. I had a ton of broken hairs around the face and at the back where the band sat. These obviously stuck out when I was trying to control my curl and took time to grow out. Still have some shorter hairs since they are not all in the same growth cycle but it's a lot better two years on.
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I could be wrong so, are u also using cones? When I first started out, I was co-washing but also using cones (I didn't know how to read labels so that was partially my issue). The problem was, I was using cones, no shampoo, and they weren't washing out. Thus, I was getting insane buildup which was interfering with my curl pattern and even the cleanliness of my hair. You should put your products on your siggy so we can all see if any products are interchangeably being the answer to your problem.

Frizz is definitely a battle that all of us curlies have experienced. I think after a while, once you have figured out how to get your hair to combat most of the frizz, you learn to embrace the little frizz you have. Don't give up!
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I tried a variety of different conditioners. I tried Asda Apple Conditioner; didn't work, Inecto Coconut Conditioner; was horrible, Timeto; didn't work and a pantene one I think? Also a few more, I can't recall.

My routine is; gently comb with my fingers, wet it, apply shampoo, comb it gently, rinse, conditon it, comb gently, rinse.

Then I airdry for 30 minutes or more then plait overnight.

I just wear my hair in a really low, really loose ponytail everyday.

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I tried a variety of different conditioners. I tried Asda Apple Conditioner; didn't work, Inecto Coconut Conditioner; was horrible, Timeto; didn't work and a pantene one I think? Also a few more, I can't recall.

My routine is; gently comb with my fingers, wet it, apply shampoo, comb it gently, rinse, conditon it, comb gently, rinse.

Then I airdry for 30 minutes or more then plait overnight.

I just wear my hair in a really low, really loose ponytail everyday.

I'm trying to attach a picture.
You used the Inecto and Asda to co-wash or to condition or both? What other products were you using at the same time and are you sure you clarified really thoroughly? I wonder if you are blaming the wrong product or not rinsing properly.

I use loads of Inecto, massage until I get a light lather, rinse until my hair literally feels 'squeaky' clean, tho it is a softer 'squeak' than when washing with shampoo. It's a different wash and rinse process to when you shampoo. It's not a good conditioning product for my damaged/ porous hair, it's conditioner and stylers that calm frizz/ flyaways/ pouf not the cleanser.

So your hair is tied back 24/7 in just two styles, are you sleeping with damp hair too? Hair is super vulnerable when wet, being wet for long periods weakens the hair. It also kills curl pattern, I find my hair takes three washes to recover from being pulled back when wet.

I also would not comb with shampoo on because it's not designed to have that level of slip, just detangle when you have a pile of slippery conditioner on your head. What sort of comb are you using, a very wide tooth seamless one? Why do you feel you need to comb three times in one wash session, do you have a major problem with tangling?
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I was using Inecto and Asda to co-wash and didn't use any other products.

Thanks for the information, I'll let it dry before I plait it from now on!

My hair is really tangly and I can't rub the shampoo in on my scalp through the layers of tangly, clumped together hair which is why I detangle with shampoo.

Here is a picture from (I think) when I was doing Co-wash method. I get these frizzy sticky out bits. This is like the only picture I have, sorry for the poor quality.

I use a wide toothed comb, I'm not sure if its seamless or not though, how do you tell?
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I was using Inecto and Asda to co-wash and didn't use any other products.

Thanks for the information, I'll let it dry before I plait it from now on!

My hair is really tangly and I can't rub the shampoo in on my scalp through the layers of tangly, clumped together hair which is why I detangle with shampoo.

Here is a picture from (I think) when I was doing Co-wash method. I get these frizzy sticky out bits. This is like the only picture I have, sorry for the poor quality.

I use a wide toothed comb, I'm not sure if its seamless or not though, how do you tell?
Co-washing is not intended to be used entirely on its own, it's intended to be used in place of shampoo with the aim of not stripping the hair, so you would still follow with a rich conditioner and styling products if desired/ required. That could well be why you did not have the results you sought, if you are prone to tangles you will definitely need to follow co-washing with a slippy conditioner.

Your curls look really pretty in that photograph, a little fluffy but that would have been tamed with conditioner and styling products. Maybe try the full Curly Girl method? A seamless comb would be advertised as such: I don't bother but I finger detangle most of the time, I find it gentle and effective.

Another option is condition-wash-condition if you really want to stick with shampoo. So wet your hair thoroughly, apply a rich conditioner to the lengths first, apply shampoo to the roots (with a nozzle bottle if it helps to direct the product, with your head upside down if it helps you access the roots), detangle/ massage, rinse the whole lot, finally condition the lengths again if required. CWC protects the lengths from the harsh effects of the shampoo but ensures everything gets cleansed.

Or invest a lot more time gently finger detangling whilst your hair is still dry and in its stronger state. And do cut off any damaged ends, they snag on healthy hair and damage it.

By rich I don't mean the same as heavy, I mean moisturising, detangling and ingredients that temporarily repair. Perhaps a source of humectants like aloe or honey, hydrolysed proteins, ceramides or coconut oil - depending which suit your hair properties - rather than your fine hair being weighed down by excessive fatty alcohols or butters. The behentrimoniums are considered to be particularly slippy so good for detangling, ditto anything that is pH ~4.5 which helps the cuticle lie flat.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
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Thank you so much, Firefox! You've helped me tremendously, I'm going start doing the things you've suggested Thanks!
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Your hair does look really pretty in the pic.
I hope to see some pics of them after you have tried the new products and techniques.
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