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Old 06-03-2013, 05:34 AM   #21
 
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I have read the basics, in a figurative way they hang above my bed (as in: I have read and overread that article like 10 times) and I still don't understand it.

I'm having the idea that there is a lot of terminology used that I just still don't understand...
I should have lists with "it does that" and the ingredients.

Like: humectants, emollients, moisturizing ingredients, ...
==> I don't have a clue what they really are and what they do.
I think (not sure) that glycerin is a humectant, as is honey. But that's it.
The only thing I can check on product bottles with ingredients and that I understand are sulfates, silicones, MO and alcohols. But like 3/4 ingredients I don't know.

That thing (that I don't understand ingredients yet) and the fact that I don't know my properties yet (at all) sure makes it a hard time to know what my hair needs.

That being said, I don't think I'm overmoisturised anymore. Yesterday I thought I was (which indeed wouldn't be that surprising with all the DTs I did and the 4 conditioners), but today it doesn't seem limp anymore and it seems rather normal.
I didn't put any product in or whatsoever (I only put product in my hair like twice, maybe 3 times a week, the other days I just take the pineapple out and go) so I guess that just "time" repaired it.

I guess that might have something to do with my porosity, but I don't know in what way.
According to me this can both mean high and low porosity.
Low porosity: the moisture just sat on my hair and now my hair has finally absorbed it
Or high porosity: my hair would in that case drink product and would be losing moisture...

Don't know, don't understand. Help me.
*strangles LCLF for making me wait for my results (just kidding)*
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:27 AM   #22
 
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Your hair is beautiful! I hope I get there some day, but I need to grow out my crown since I have a ton of breakage up there from regular blowouts prior to CG. I tinkered with cond-only styling this weekend and was somewhat happy with the results - I hate having crunchy hair! - but KCKT still left my hair producty. I bought Suave naturals coconut for my daughter's hair (which it LOVES) so I might try that sometime as a LI. Thanks for posting!
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:01 AM   #23
 
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Thanks everyone for the compliments! Yup, absolutely no stylers, just low poo, RO, and using the same conditioner as a LI. Prior to this last week I was getting desperate trying to do my research to find what product would be best for me (not sure what the issue was yet) and was looking into getting some Okra Gel from BB.... put in an inquiry to her about additives on the 18th and still haven't heard back.... but now I am in no rush anymore. I might still try it, since I do have to live with a bit of frizz, and who knows if I can get even better results, but most of the time now I am ok with my hair. It's unpredictable in it's curl/wave patterns, but at least I finally have a routine that seems to give consistently ok-good hair days. And I can do 2nd day hair now if I really want just by spraying a bit of water on the curls that got messed up in my sleep.... I toss and turn a lot.
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:29 AM   #24
 
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Thanks everyone for the compliments! Yup, absolutely no stylers, just low poo, RO, and using the same conditioner as a LI. Prior to this last week I was getting desperate trying to do my research to find what product would be best for me (not sure what the issue was yet) and was looking into getting some Okra Gel from BB.... put in an inquiry to her about additives on the 18th and still haven't heard back.... but now I am in no rush anymore. I might still try it, since I do have to live with a bit of frizz, and who knows if I can get even better results, but most of the time now I am ok with my hair. It's unpredictable in it's curl/wave patterns, but at least I finally have a routine that seems to give consistently ok-good hair days. And I can do 2nd day hair now if I really want just by spraying a bit of water on the curls that got messed up in my sleep.... I toss and turn a lot.
Have you ever tried making your own flaxseed gel? That works like a charm for me!
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:44 AM   #25
 
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I have thought about it, but I wanted to try an already made one first of either FSG or okra gel to see if it would work before I tried to make my own. Though it saves plenty in the long run, I am not sure it does up front which would be too bad if I decided I didn't like it for my hair.
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:47 AM   #26
 
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I have thought about it, but I wanted to try an already made one first of either FSG or okra gel to see if it would work before I tried to make my own. Though it saves plenty in the long run, I am not sure it does up front which would be too bad if I decided I didn't like it for my hair.
Did you see this one? She has several variations. This one has protein, but no magnesium sulphate.

Truly Natural Styling Gel 16oz by TruePolaris on Etsy
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:23 AM   #27
 
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Thanks I will check that out later.

On another note... I am having a pretty blah hair day today. The curl isn't as strong, and my plop was messed up so now my hair is sitting oddly. I am hoping it is just a one day thing and not my new routine failing me already. It was so good yesterday I can't imagine that to be the case, but I guess the next few days will tell. Of course since it was messed up I have been touching it way too much as it dries and it is worse now lol. Oh well... we all have bad hair days lol. It is extra hot today and will be all week so maybe that is part of it. It's been raining and cooler here for the last couple weeks again.
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:31 AM   #28
 
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Because your hair does so well with no styling products, you might do well with curl creams or light hold gels, or what I call the "pudding" type products which, for me anyway, don't provide much hold. Some of the "firm" hold gels may be too much for you. Even straight up aloe vera gel may be all that you need- you can buy it in the sun care department at most drugstores. You obviously want the clear ones.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:08 PM   #29
 
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Ok after reading this thread and your comments on my other thread awelcome I decided to do a take 2 today, I did a strong gelatin treatment and have just used a curl cream to style. Wait g to dry and we'll see how it goes.

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Old 06-03-2013, 01:12 PM   #30
 
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Ok after reading this thread and your comments on my other thread awelcome I decided to do a take 2 today, I did a strong gelatin treatment and have just used a curl cream to style. Wait g to dry and we'll see how it goes.

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Can't wait to hear how to goes. Did you happen to take before pics and you can do some after so we can see too?
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:25 PM   #31
 
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Maybe I should add my actual technique too in case that has something to do with my results.... When I put my RO in I finger detangle (which for me is always pretty easy because I have loose curls and they don't tangle too much unless dry) and part my bangs. Then when I rinse I try to not run my fingers through my hair too much, so to get the conditioner mostly out I plug my ears and shake my head side to side using quick but short movements while tilting it back. I sometimes lift sections of my hair carefully to rinse out the underside too. Even though I am putting more Co in afterwards I feel like rinsing out the large portion makes a difference.

When I shut water off I part my hair in half and pull it to the sides. Taking a pea sized amount of the suave naturals coconut I smooth over one side, and then rake it in from the underside lifting my hair away from my head at the roots as I tilt my head so it's not plastered. This can break up my curls a bit so then I do a very wide finger rake down them to create the thicker clumps again. Repeat on other side and then I tilt my head back and make sure to lift my canopy outward the same way.

Then I flip it over and do a gentle shake to help it settle, but I find that if I try to encourage it to actually fall downward it causes weird spots in the back. It's still dripping wet at this point... and I take that time to turn the water back on and rinse the conditioner off my shoulders and back without getting my hair wet again.

Stepping out of the shower I take a t-shirt and blot it well on all sides CAREFULLY so as not to break curls and I don't scrunch. I kind of let it fall side to side and blot on the sides and then try to get the back and roots too. This is all upside down still and I have nice big clumps at this point.

Then I put it in a long-sleeve t-shirt plop for one hour. Take it down and DON'T TOUCH IT AT ALL NO MATTER HOW WEIRD IT LOOKS! I learned that the hard way. My hair looks thin, sometimes messy, and loose. Then I let it air dry and it curls right up and gets a lot of volume by the time it's done. If I look at the back of my head right out of the plop I can see my scalp in areas and it's hard not to fiddle with it, but it always works out... just trust the technique!

So I just go about the rest of my morning and try not to touch it or lean on things until it dries (usually a couple more hours total) and in that time I put my make-up on and straighten (yikes I know) my bangs because they don't sit well.

My hair gets less frizzy throughout the day as it all soaks in and more fluffy. Once it's dry I flip my head upside down a few times and shake it a bit or flip it over one side on the top and the other without actually touching it to really up the volume.
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just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

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Old 06-03-2013, 01:35 PM   #32
 
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Well here are some pictures from the 7 day challenge thread that I took this morning for befores

Over-moisturized visual aid!-uploadfromtaptalk1370287994084.jpgOver-moisturized visual aid!-uploadfromtaptalk1370288009223.jpg

I have just t shirt blotted and left to dry, about half way and so far it looks frizzy and fluffy, but we shall see if that improves once it's fully dry.

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Old 06-03-2013, 01:41 PM   #33
 
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mine does look frizzy as it dries because it doesn't all dry evenly. So some of it starts to curl, some it stringy/wet looking and it just looks awful. I do accept a bit of frizz though, which I know some people don't like.

I think mine would be frizzier though if I just blotted and air dried. The plop does a good job of not only setting my curl, but keeping it from breaking up and frizzing while it's still at it's heaviest from all the water in my hair since it's so fine.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:52 PM   #34
 
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Hmmm well I didn't plop as I was scared it wouldn't work without a golf product. I did seeing out the water pretty thoroughly though, which left it about as dry as my plop does.

I was reading the first pages of the woes of a wavy thread yesterday too, and that got me thinking about conditioner styling, so I'm willing to give this a couple of weeks of trial and error to see where it gets me, gel and lots of product haven't been working, and I need an easier routine with the baby arriving any day.

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Old 06-03-2013, 02:04 PM   #35
 
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I will say, too, that Conditioner only styling wasn't working for me as well when I was still OC'd of course, and even before that became an issue depending on which conditioner and how heavy it was on my hair. The suave naturals is the only one I would say I am getting a really good result with for this. And I don't know if you usually do gelatin PT's, but for me they didn't work well. I really like the one I posted about even though it has cones.
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:21 PM   #36
 
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I would love to try a different pt, but I can't get any here in costa rica. My conditioner is quite light, but there is an alternative with keratin I have been thinking of trying for the daily protein.

Its a work in progress, but I'm really sick of the product overload and daily diffusing, it defeats the purpose of me going curly in the first place, I was better off getting keratin treatments and washing and drying once a week

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Old 06-03-2013, 09:15 PM   #37
 
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Wondering how it turned out today Yoshimi?
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just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

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Washed my hair today (low poo Rainforest Radiance Shampoo, bit of RO Yes to Cucumbers, bit of LI Yes to Cucumbers) and my hair feels soft and dry (not really dry but more frizzy) at the same time for some reason, and it lacks definition and is a bit poofy.

I feel like trying a PT(not homemade this time) now (not really now but let's say in a couple of days)... but I have been hearing from some of you that I experiment too much:
What should I do, try or wait?
And what should I look for as ingredients to use for a PT?

(I have the strange feeling that I will not be finding something with the label "protein treatment" here in stores in Belgium)
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:54 AM   #39
 
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Well yesterday was a disaster, I got a bad back ache and had to lie down before it was dry (pregnancy sucks, just had to get that out there). Trying again today.

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Old 06-04-2013, 09:20 AM   #40
 
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Air drying is not my friend. I have a video call in an hour and there was no way my hair was going to be dry, so I had to admit defeat and put it up

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