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Old 06-04-2013, 09:45 AM   #41
 
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Sometimes life just gets in the way. Right now I have the mornings to let my hair air dry since my oldest has PM kindergarten, but next year I will have to take him in the mornings for full day and I will either have to leave the house with wet hair or shower when I get back. Trouble is that means my littlest would be unsupervised while I showered and he gets into a lot. I forsee a bad hair year in my future lol.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:50 AM   #42
 
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I've been giving it a lot of thought this morning, and Im kind of feeling like curly just isn't going to be possible with a newborn. When I went to put my hair up I instead turned the dryer on it and dried it straight just with finger combing, then pinned it in a bun to cool, this took less time than diffusing, so less heat, still no brushing, and when my hair cools in the bun it usually turns out quite smooth, looking like it's been straightened then curled for body.

I'm pondering if this might actually be better for my hair in the long run, especially as I can probably get 3 days out of it like this before washing again
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:17 AM   #43
 
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awelcome - You could just leave with wet hair. I go to work with wet hair and it takes until noon before it's dry and I can SOTC. I could see if you work retail or something where appearance is important it could be a problem, but what's wrong with leaving the house with wet hair?

Yoshimi - what would happen if you just put leave-in and gel/mousse in and then let it air dry? It seems like that would take very little time. With a newborn I wouldn't aim for "the best I can make my hair look". I would aim for "the least I can possibly do and still look passable".
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:22 AM   #44
 
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Nothing sometimes, but I live in Portland and it's usually either raining or about to so the humidity is VERY high in the mornings. And I have delicate hair so if it were raining or windy or whatever it would pretty much ruin my hair for the day if it hadn't dried before I left. It also looks terrible when it's wet.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:26 AM   #45
 
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Also, I plop for an hour each day... so I guess I could go out in my plop, but I would probably get some crazy stares lol. Especially since I use a bright pink long sleeve t-shirt to plop with.
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just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

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Old 06-04-2013, 10:35 AM   #46
 
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Washed my hair today (low poo Rainforest Radiance Shampoo, bit of RO Yes to Cucumbers, bit of LI Yes to Cucumbers) and my hair feels soft and dry (not really dry but more frizzy) at the same time for some reason, and it lacks definition and is a bit poofy.

I feel like trying a PT(not homemade this time) now (not really now but let's say in a couple of days)... but I have been hearing from some of you that I experiment too much:
What should I do, try or wait?
And what should I look for as ingredients to use for a PT?

(I have the strange feeling that I will not be finding something with the label "protein treatment" here in stores in Belgium)
Neleke, soft yet frizzy dry hair is the definition of needing a protein treatment as long as you didn't use a glycerin heavy leave-in. Look for a regular conditioner the has several 'hydrolized' ingredients near the top of the list. Usually those labeled as repairing or strengthening will be protein heavy. Good luck.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:43 AM   #47
 
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Nothing sometimes, but I live in Portland and it's usually either raining or about to so the humidity is VERY high in the mornings. And I have delicate hair so if it were raining or windy or whatever it would pretty much ruin my hair for the day if it hadn't dried before I left. It also looks terrible when it's wet.
Oh, Portland ... yeah, that's tough. That kind of misty weather is the worst for my hair. I try to not even wash on those days here (NJ - we get terrible humidity in the summer, but not the mist). I do adore the PNW, though. You live in a beautiful region.

If I lived there, I'd probably stop washing my hair in the mornings and deal with 2nd and 3rd day hair.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:11 AM   #48
 
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Yoshimi - what would happen if you just put leave-in and gel/mousse in and then let it air dry? It seems like that would take very little time. With a newborn I wouldn't aim for "the best I can make my hair look". I would aim for "the least I can possibly do and still look passable".
I have had terrible luck with air drying all round to be honest, the humidity here makes drying times ridiculously long, like I wouldn't have dry hair until some time in the afternoon most days (even hanging laundry on the line to dry seems to take 2 days for things to dry). That's bad enough when I want to leave the house now, but I'm pretty sure once you factor in naps and unreliable shower times with baby in the house, I will just end up walking round looking like a cotton wool puff if I carry on down my current path with my hair.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:30 PM   #49
 
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I have checked my products on glycerine and they don't really have clear glycerine. My shampoo has propylene glycol though, isn't that a bit like glycerine as well? (it is only my shampoo though...

To describe my hair today (and it's not only today, but it's getting worse): twice the volume of normal days, ill defined, having an almost straight frizzy piece in the back and a frizzy non defined mess on the sides.
My hair is able to spiral, I've had them before and it normally should have defined waves and some curls. not this explosionlikehair
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:32 PM   #50
 
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To describe my hair today (and it's not only today, but it's getting worse): twice the volume of normal days, ill defined, having an almost straight frizzy piece in the back and a frizzy non defined mess on the sides.
This sounds just like mine before I started CG. And also if I use styling products with glycerin in the summer.

Are you using any styling products?
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:33 PM   #51
 
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Today I did the same low poo, snc as RO and LI, but I also added an acv rinse after my RO. I like to do this maybe once a week. It seals my cuticles nicely, makes my hair shiny and soft, and defines the curls even better because it fights the frizz. Have you tried any ACV?
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just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

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I use stylers, but without glycerin as far as I know.

I have tried ACV and it didn't really do much for my hair.

Today I bought a conditioner that contains proteins.
Before I have done gelatin treatments (3 of them) but they didn't seem to have any effect on my hair.
Is this a good one?
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Aqua, cetearyl alcohol, hydrolyzed collagen, panthenol, cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed keratin, hydrolized keratin, isopropyl myristate, behenoyl PG-Trimonium chloride, citric acid, VP/VA Copolymer, phenoxyethanol, behentrimonium chloride, sodium methyl paraben, hexylene Glycol, parfum, polyquaternium-37, dicaprylyl carbonate, hexyl cinnamal, amyl cinnamal, limonene, linalool, benzyl salicylate

Is this conditioner CGfriendly? And are there bad ingredients in it? Would it be a good conditioner and would it make a good PT?

If it makes a good PT: should I do it tomorrow (tomorrow I have time to do treatments) and how long should I leave it on before rinsing it out? (there are no recommendations on time on the bottle)

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Old 06-05-2013, 12:58 PM   #53
 
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I am by no means an expert on ingredients at this point, so I can't really say. It does seem to have a good amount of protein in it, so if you intended it for that purpose it could be good. I do see polyquats though too, which I know some people have issues with. I think maybe especially those with fine hair. I have been avoiding them myself, but some of my older products had them. My hair is better now, so maybe they weren't good for me. I dunno.
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BSL - going for mid back to waist

HG: currently
just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

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Old 06-05-2013, 01:18 PM   #54
 
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Would polyquats have a bad effect if they are only on place 16 down the list?

any other opinions on the condish? and would I do a PT tomorrow? and if so: use this condish as a PT? and how long?
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:26 PM   #55
 
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I think polyquats generally are lower on the list, at least the ones I had were, but hopefully someone who knows better will chime in too. I believe they cause build-up for some people, so I guess you could just watch for that, and change your routine accordingly.

Not sure on the PT. When I do them I usually leave them on for an hour. You will want to use a good moisturizing conditioner afterwards too probably. And it might be a good idea to start with less time since you don't know how your hair will react to it. Maybe 30 minutes?
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BSL - going for mid back to waist

HG: currently
just washing with a low poo that contains protein (Alba Naturals Coconut) and using Suave Naturals Coconut as both a RO and LI. No stylers right now, but this gives me pretty good curl, definition, low-ish frizz, and it feels and looks good. Also an occasional PT (liking the Palmer's Coconut Oil Formula which has cones) seems to be key for me.

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