Is it because of the flat iron..

that I use to loosen my curls that my hair is curling more than usual? Or is it constantly trying too many different products? Or is it stress from my grandma dying? Ever since my grandma died it seems my hair has changed. It has become more curly and harder to control. So I started using my flat iron to loosen the curls to where they used to be. Now, almost 2 years later, I'm at my wits end! I've tried so many different products and nothing will fix my hair. I used to never have problems with it. I'm running out of options and I really need help from my curly girls. My hair is 3b and tighter than ever. I'm looking for a product to weigh my hair down so that my curls don't tighten up so much. If anyone has any advice or products to recommend or anything, please let me know. It is much appreciated!! Thanks for reading
What are your hair properties and current routine? Curling iron is really damaging, that can certainly make hair dryer and frizzier with regular use. Curl pattern can change with time, 3b can be so pretty it seems a shame to want to loosen your curls.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I agree with Firefox. I have some 3B curls around the nape and I love them. I wish they were everywhere. I think stress can definitely change your curl pattern. I went through a stressful period a few years ago and my hair seemed both dryer and bigger than ever even though I was using a sulfate free shampoo. It's hard to tell though if it affected my curl pattern because I was styling it straight 24-7.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

I condition in the shower with Herbel essences None of Your Frizzness and shampoo once a week with organix tee tree mint shampoo. When I come out of the shower I put in garnier fructis sleek & shine leave in conditioner, frizz ease smoothing creme and after that I've been experimenting lately with different products. Then I usually end with moroccan argan oil. I do love my hair, but it has changed a lot .
I condition in the shower with Herbel essences None of Your Frizzness and shampoo once a week with organix tee tree mint shampoo. When I come out of the shower I put in garnier fructis sleek & shine leave in conditioner, frizz ease smoothing creme and after that I've been experimenting lately with different products. Then I usually end with moroccan argan oil. I do love my hair, but it has changed a lot .
Originally Posted by sexyNcurly
That sounds like you are using wall-to-wall silicones to impart faux shine and slip, but not actually anything that will penetrate or patch repair. Using a sulphate shampoo weekly may not be enough, you may even have build up so it would be worth double clarifying and then examine your nekkid hair without all the products. Silicones are suffix -cone, -conol and -xane; Moroccan oil is loaded with them as is the Frizz Ease line and most heat protectants, third and sixth ingredients in your conditioner too.

Try using more ingredients that hydrate, penetrate or 'nourish' hair: coconut oil is wonderful for porous or damaged hair, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, panthenol. These likely won't penetrate through silicone build up tho. Combine that with some humectants (attract water) such as aloe vera, honey or propylene glycol (also acts as a heat protectant).
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Can you recommend any products with these ingredients? I've always use cones and they always agreed with my hair.
Can you recommend any products with these ingredients? I've always use cones and they always agreed with my hair.
Originally Posted by sexyNcurly
Silicones have their place, they are king for protecting from heat damage but they don't actually nourish the hair just provide faux shine and slip making us think our hair is healthier than it is. They can also build up and need harsher surfactant shampoos to remove them, some of these shampoos can further damage hair. It is a shock for some of us when we see the true condition of our hair without silicones after years of relying on them. If you want to keep silicones in your routine you might reduce the heavy emphasis and switch to ones that do not build up? Anything prefixed PEG- or amodimethicone for example.

I am loving Hairveda Sitrinillah deep conditioner (coconut oil, glycerin), Curl Harmony Intensive Repair (coconut, protein, panthenol) and various Komaza Care products at present (Coconut, Moja and Matani lines contain all the ingredients I listed except propylene glycol). Lots of people rate Curly Hair Solutions Curl Keeper (propylene glycol, glycerin) or Curl Junkie Curls in a Bottle (propylene glycol, panthenol, a PEG-silicone) for styling and frizz control. Possible replacement for your Moroccan oil is the Komaza Matani serum (some silicones, but more natural oils).

If you are on a budget/ into DIY some of us are making our own protein treatments from gelatin, also making our own deep treatments from coconut oil, honey, maybe some aloe vera gel, maybe some of a cheap silicone free conditioner like Suave Naturals. Some are making 'Ecostyler custard' (hair gel, natural oil, aloe gel if desired); cheaper alternative to Curl Keeper is certain brands of personal lubricant, yes people really are using that on their head!!
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 06-07-2013 at 10:57 AM.
sexyNcurly, the best way to choose products is based on your properties. Do you happen to know them? Whether you're fine/medium/coarse, and porous or not? Once you know those you can look up silicone free products that might agree with your hair. You might also be able to find such products that can loosen your curl pattern. One way to loosen your curl pattern when you style is to apply products by raking them in and not scrunching them up.

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I just noticed live curly live free redesigned their website and I can't find the original page on hair texture, porosity and elasticity. . . Anyone know where it is? I'm too lazy to rummage.
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

My hair is medium to coarse texture but I don't know the porosity. The problem is coconut oil makes my head itchy so I can't use that. I thought argon oil is good for your hair??
My hair is medium to coarse texture but I don't know the porosity. The problem is coconut oil makes my head itchy so I can't use that. I thought argon oil is good for your hair??
Originally Posted by sexyNcurly
Given your hair has been heat damaged you can assume you have moderate to high porosity.

There is barely any argan oil in the branded Moroccan oil, check the ingredients. Does virgin coconut oil make your scalp itch or refined too? Were you applying pure coconut oil directly to your scalp or just a little bit transferring off your hair?

Other oils and butters that are good sources of the fatty acid lauric acid (active component of coconut oil) include babassu oil, tukuma butter and palm kernel oil.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Not sure, a few products I used containing coconut oil seemed to make me itchy. I took pictures of all my hair products so you guys can tell me what I'm doing wrong. I'm really upset about this change in my hair, I'm hoping I can get some help here The pictures are attached from styling products to leave ins to shampoos and conditioners.
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and here are my before and after pics.

This is when I was using none of your frizzness conditioner by herbal essences, once a week I shampoo with neutrogena shampoo, I use garnier fructis leave in conditioner, frizz ease straight fixation smoothing creme, quidad climate control and humidity gel and frizz ease hair serum and sometimes I would add MOP defining cream. (before is on the left, the picture on the right is most recent)
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Last edited by sexyNcurly; 06-07-2013 at 11:02 PM. Reason: forgot to add something
Wow those are some gorgeous curls! The picture on the right you seem to have thinner ends than on the left, I wonder if you are experiencing mid shaft breaks? Curling or flat irons can cause irreparable damage in as little as one session, to me that is far more likely the main culprit than your products. Or did you have layers cut in? That will help your curl pattern become tighter because there is less weight on the hair.
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The problem with many commercial products containing coconut oil is the manufacturers don't actually use much oil but do tend to add chemical coconut scent, and fragrances are known irritants. But by all means opt for one of the alternative sources of lauric acid I listed if you don't want to risk a jar of refined coconut oil.

Not sure you will find anyone here with the time or inclination to Google the ingredients lists of all your products. Product wise where you are going wrong IMO is
"That sounds like you are using wall-to-wall silicones to impart faux shine and slip, but not actually anything that will penetrate or patch repair. Using a sulphate shampoo weekly may not be enough, you may even have build up so it would be worth double clarifying and then examine your nekkid hair without all the products. Silicones are suffix -cone, -conol and -xane; Moroccan oil is loaded with them as is the Frizz Ease line and most heat protectants, third and sixth ingredients in your conditioner too.

Try using more ingredients that hydrate, penetrate or 'nourish' hair: coconut oil is wonderful for porous or damaged hair, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, panthenol. These likely won't penetrate through silicone build up tho. Combine that with some humectants (attract water) such as aloe vera, honey or propylene glycol (also acts as a heat protectant).
"

You might also check out Waterlily716 on YouTube, she is a Curly Girl method 'guru' with a curl pattern and length similar to yours, mostly heat free AFAIK.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I did hav my hair trimmed in January. It was supposed to be long layers but I too think it got messed up! How can I fix it?
I did hav my hair trimmed in January. It was supposed to be long layers but I too think it got messed up! How can I fix it?
Originally Posted by sexyNcurly
You might go for a curly specialist haircut. Since you have been heat styling you may want to get trims more often than every six months. Other than that it is a case of growing your layers out again. Curly Hair Salons & Stylists in
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
there aren't any salons near me I don't think. I hate growing out my hair, it feels like it is taking forever!! I wish it would grow faster.
Check the alcohol content on the products you're using, that may be causing some of the itchiness? Also fragrance can cause some scalp issues too!

Like others have said, if you have a build up of silicone based products, they will continue to build up and make your hair more difficult to deal with.

I think stress/health can totally affect your hair (and nails!) and make it more sensitive to things.

I see you have some of the Paul Mitchell curl line, I personally use it and think it's great! I've had good results with the leave it, then the ultimate wave, then the twirl around (just a little).
I made an appointment for a consultation with a Ouidad specialist at a salon I found on here in my area. I am hoping to finally get some answers and help for my hair. They are certified in the Ouidad haircuts and products, what is the Ouidad haircut anyway?

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