Doubting my properties again

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Long story short, after thinking I had coarse hair, I ended up assessing myself as a fine-haired curly. Right now, I think my properties are:

Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity.

But there are some things that make me doubt my interpretation of my observations.

1. When I wet my hair with a spray bottle, I get all these beads sitting on it (low porosity), but at the same time, my hair drips like crazy! This could be low porosity (my hair being unable to soak up the water) or high porosity (instantly releasing the water).
2. I think I'm fine-haired because of my observations: my hair didn't really seem to like CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil condish (= lots of emollients, if I've done my homework correctly, and coarse curlies are supposed to love that) and my hair didn't rebel against CJ Curl Queen, which has quite some protein in it. Hence, I figured fine hair. I got the Aubrey Organics GPB condish and although it sort of perks up my curls, I don't get the massive results like awelcome for example does. Also, after my haircut two days ago, my hair is back to being sturdy and extremely strong again. Maintaining length is easy for me. I think my individual strands are easily visible. Some have "kinks" in them. Would I be coarse after all?

With regards to the kinks, it looks like the first picture, third strand on this website: Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: My 2 cents on Protein/Texture/Porosity/Moisture Balance! :-) although I must say that my kinks are usually slightly more noticeable.

No doubt about density. I have LOTS of hair and I barely know what my scalp looks like except for the part I always have.

Elasticity seems normal.

Other things to take into consideration:
1. My hair is weighed down easily. This could be because of low porosity (the hair not soaking up the product but instead it just sits there and weighs it down) or because of having fine hair.
2. My hair is not prone to frizz.

If it helps, this is my daily routine on non-washing days:
Re-wet my hair with the shower head, apply homemade FSG (1/4 cup FS, 2 cups water, 1/2 tsp honey), plop for approximately 30 minutes, let it air dry.

If I wash it, this routine is preceded by using a low-poo and AO GPB as a RO. I'm also experimenting with the Beauticurls condish as a LI (even though it originally isn't) and so far, I haven't seen any difference with or without it because I diluted it heavily. Today I've truly applied it as a LI so curious to see what happens. I stopped using it as my RO because I seemed overconditioned, but I think this might be because I used it as my co-wash as well (and I've come to understand that this is way too heavy for that).

Advice or thoughts would be appreciated. I know getting an analysis done would be best, but I can't spend the money right now :/
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Weleda Oat Replenishing Shampoo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

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I can't help you with that, but am only going to say: welcome to my world! am going to send you a PM about something totally different though
You are going to go round and round and round in circles until you have an analysis done, none of the home tests are reliable. Seems to me to be better to invest in the analysis than keep purchasing products that do not work for you.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I don't really understand why you're questioning what you decided. If your hair acts like fine, low porosity hair and protein heavy, moisture light products work then go with that. If you're basing your results with protein solely on AO GPB you should definitely try another brand first. AO products are very moisturizing and contain witch hazel, which is an astringent, they always make my hair limpish and weird. Dripping hair may mean the water is rolling right off rather then absorbing.

If its only for academic curiosity, I say hold out for the test.
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2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
I had similar confusion over my properties, and while I did eventually get a hair analysis done, it really only served to confirm what I had already figured out. It seems that many of us with thick density hair mistake our massive amount of hair for a coarse texture. I can also see individual strands of hair, and there are odd pieces of hair that are more coarse and/or have some kinkiness, but in general, my hair is still fine in texture. I figured it out through the protein tolerance thing, just like you.

3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
It sounds like your initial assessment is right on. Try not to over analyze things- I know it's hard in the beginning. Based on your photos though, your hair looks great and seems like you have a handle on things.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Thanks for the input! I guess I'm over-thinking and over-analysing. Why would I if my hair looks happy and healthy? :-)
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Weleda Oat Replenishing Shampoo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 939
It sounds like your initial assessment is right on. Try not to over analyze things- I know it's hard in the beginning. Based on your photos though, your hair looks great and seems like you have a handle on things.
Originally Posted by chloe92us
Ditto...also, just because you see high vs low and course versus fine all day every day on here does not mean we're the majority. I think we have the most issues with our and complain the most about it, but my guess would be most people fall in the mid range for width and porosity.

Your hair might like some emolients, but perhaps not anything as heavy as argan oil. Your hair might like protein, perhaps nothing as intense as GPB. Many hair care products aimed at the average consumer are a mix of emolients and proteins. I would try looking for something like the CJ Strengthening Conditioner (doesn't have to be CJ, just using it as an example).

Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Vegetable Glycerin, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Panthenol, Cucurbita Pepo (Pumpkin Seed) Oil, Melissa Officinalis (Melissa) Leaf Extract, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Leaf Extract, Piperita (Peppermint) Leaf Extract, Equisetum Arvense (Horsetail) Leaf Extract, Yucca Leaf Extract, Keratin Amino Acids, Polyquaternium-7, Lecithin, Fragrance, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol.


Protein, humectants, oils with a water base so it's light (allegedly, I've never tried it). Considering how nice your hair looks using all the "wrong" products I'd place my money on you having normal porosity and normal width hair. You can get the test to put yourself out of your own misery, but you might not need to.
Thanks Jessiebanana! I'll get the test done whenever I can afford it (which will be soon, I hope). The CJ Strengthening condish was the first one I checked out when looking for CG products, but because I thought I was coarse, I was advised against buying it so I went with the Argan & Olive Oil (because protein-free) instead. Now I see the Strengthening conditioner has a polyquat in it which causes problems for me, but I was thinking a PT like Repair Me! would work.
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Weleda Oat Replenishing Shampoo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 939
I know, I saw the polyquat and that's why I said it's an example of a type of conditioner.
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