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Old 06-13-2013, 05:47 AM   #21
 
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My hair is fine, thin, and wavy. It's a few inches below shoulder length with the bottom couple of inches layered.

I co-wash daily with Giovanni Tea Tree conditioner. I blot it upside down with a t-shirt, and then scrunch in Matrix gelee upside down, and air dry. I wash once a week with Jessicurl Gentle Lather shampoo.

I few times a month, I rinse with a vinegar/water solution to clarify. I deep condition about once a month with mayonnaise.

Once in a while, I straighten it with the straightening iron, but only if it's super-frizzy and I need to look especially nice, like for a work meeting. I only do that as a last resort and would really like to get away from it altogether.

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Old 06-13-2013, 06:28 AM   #22
 
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My hair is fine, thin, and wavy. It's a few inches below shoulder length with the bottom couple of inches layered.

I co-wash daily with Giovanni Tea Tree conditioner. I blot it upside down with a t-shirt, and then scrunch in Matrix gelee upside down, and air dry. I wash once a week with Jessicurl Gentle Lather shampoo.

I few times a month, I rinse with a vinegar/water solution to clarify. I deep condition about once a month with mayonnaise.

Once in a while, I straighten it with the straightening iron, but only if it's super-frizzy and I need to look especially nice, like for a work meeting. I only do that as a last resort and would really like to get away from it altogether.

Thanks for asking!

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What about porosity? You don't use a wash out or leave in conditioner? No protein treatments? What oil is in your mayonnaise and why have you chosen that?
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:18 AM   #23
 
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Are you using the Matrix Biolage gellee?

If so, these are the ingredients:

Aqua/Water (Water), PVP/VA Copolymer, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxyethylcellulose, PEG 40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Polyquaternium 10, Diazolidinyl Urea, Polyquaternium 11, Methylparaben, Perfume (Fragrance), Polyquaternium 4, Polyquaternium 7, Propylparaben, Polysorbate 20, Cellulose, Limonene, Hexylcinnamal, Geraniol, Hibiscus Sabdariffa Flower Extract, Tetrasodium EDTA, Humulus Lupulus (Hops), Malva Sylvestris (Mallow) Flower Extract

I notice it has 4 polyquats... numbers 10, 11, 4 and 7. Some curlies have trouble with polyquat buildup, which results in frizz. That may be especially relevant since you're co-washing in between low-poos. It might be worthwhile to clarify and then exchange the biolage gel for a polyquat-free one, and see if the situation improves.
Unfortunately you may need something strong to clarify, even a sulfate shampoo. Kathymack had problems with polyquat buildup and I think she said she needed something really strong to get rid of it.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:04 AM   #24
 
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Are you using the Matrix Biolage gellee?

If so, these are the ingredients:

Aqua/Water (Water), PVP/VA Copolymer, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxyethylcellulose, PEG 40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Polyquaternium 10, Diazolidinyl Urea, Polyquaternium 11, Methylparaben, Perfume (Fragrance), Polyquaternium 4, Polyquaternium 7, Propylparaben, Polysorbate 20, Cellulose, Limonene, Hexylcinnamal, Geraniol, Hibiscus Sabdariffa Flower Extract, Tetrasodium EDTA, Humulus Lupulus (Hops), Malva Sylvestris (Mallow) Flower Extract

I notice it has 4 polyquats... numbers 10, 11, 4 and 7. Some curlies have trouble with polyquat buildup, which results in frizz. That may be especially relevant since you're co-washing in between low-poos. It might be worthwhile to clarify and then exchange the biolage gel for a polyquat-free one, and see if the situation improves.
Unfortunately you may need something strong to clarify, even a sulfate shampoo. Kathymack had problems with polyquat buildup and I think she said she needed something really strong to get rid of it.
For the OP. The three polyquats that gave me real issues are 4, 7 and 10. Don't know if they are the most common or not. The fact that this product has all three makes me believe that it could be the cause of your frizz issues. Do you have frizz when wet?? That's a sure sign of build up.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:46 AM   #25
 
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It's Matrix Super Defrizzer gel.

I don't know about porosity. I don't understand it, and it confuses me.

No, I don't have frizz when wet.

I chose mayonnaise because I have a tight budget and can get little packets for free. I am open to trying something else if it's inexpensive.

Thanks for helping me narrow down the cause of my issues!

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Old 06-14-2013, 01:54 PM   #26
 
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What are the ingredients of the gel you're using?

If you want something cheap and since you have fine, thin hair, have you tried homemade FSG? Or okra? That seems to be popular nowadays.
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LI: sometimes TN Radiant Care
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:11 PM   #27
 
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Also what are the dews like where you are? NaturallyCurly's Frizz Forecast
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Cowash: CJ Daily Fix
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni 2chic BK&AO
RO: TN Radiant Care, Giovanni SaS, Ogx BKT*, Sukin Nourishing, SS Caitlin's, various
LI: sometimes TN Radiant Care
Styler: FSG with CNPF, CJ Pattern Pusha, Volumax Mega, Ouidad Climate Control*, Ogx BKT serum*
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

*have cones
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:46 AM   #28
 
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It's Matrix Super Defrizzer gel.

I don't know about porosity. I don't understand it, and it confuses me.

No, I don't have frizz when wet.

I chose mayonnaise because I have a tight budget and can get little packets for free. I am open to trying something else if it's inexpensive.

Thanks for helping me narrow down the cause of my issues!

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Knowing your hair properties and dew points is critical, without that you are just randomly trying products instead of spending your money wisely and we are just going to make random suggestions that might well not be effective. There are some excellent articles on porosity here on NC by 'curl chemist' Tonya McKay and also on the Natural Haven blog. Otherwise perhaps ask for a Live Curly Live Free or Komaza Care hair analysis as a birthday gift.

What oil is in the mayonnaise, is it a penetrating one? If you have porous hair use coconut, avocado, olive or sweet almond oil, all of which contain fatty acids that are capable of penetrating (lauric or oleic acids). A cheap deep treatment is a basic conditioner such as your co-wash one blended with a penetrating oil, honey and/ or aloe vera gel. Honey and AV are both humectants so might not suit all climates.

Again are you not using any rinse out or leave in conditioner or protein treatments?
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Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics

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Old 06-15-2013, 08:19 AM   #29
 
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Yes, it would be nice to understand porosity. I've read those articles but I just don't get it. My hair dries quickly if I put no products in it, but if I put any kind of product in it, it takes all day to dry. What does that mean about porosity?

The oil is soybean. No, no other treatments.

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