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FuzzyMonster 06-06-2013 08:51 AM

Canopy frizz
 
The top, outer layer of my hair is what tends to frizz. Do you think cutting shorter layers would help? My hair is a couple of inches below shoulder length with about the last 3 inches layered.

Thanks!

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PomegranateCurl 06-07-2013 12:35 PM

Some curlies finish their routine by using a hard-hold gel like BRHG only on the canopy, which helps w/ canopy frizz. Is your hair properly moisturized and proteined? My canopy frizz was drastically reduced when I started doing the CG method and started using DTs, PTs and leave-in conditioners.

I don't think cutting shorter layers will help with canopy frizz, if anything it might make the canopy frizz a little more. What is your cut now?

liquefiedstars 06-07-2013 08:19 PM

BRHG?

yossarian 06-07-2013 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by liquefiedstars (Post 2178099)
BRHG?

BRHG = Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee

Available at Target, Ulta etc.

I just started using this and so far, so good. Much nicer scent than KCCC (Kinky Curly Curling Custard), good definition and minimal frizz. It's early yet, but it looks to be a HG in the offing.

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PomegranateCurl 06-08-2013 02:13 AM

I have to add that doing a final rinse with cold water in the shower (you can do this upside down) and then adding your stylers to soaking wet hair helps a lot with canopy frizz. Scrunch out excess water gently with an old 100% cotton tshirt, plop if you'd like to set the curls. Afterward no touching while drying. This should help immensely.

Weathercurl 06-08-2013 07:56 AM

Aww, poor canopy frizz - i am probably its only defender. But I am OK w a little canopy frizz. I have always shed a ton of hair daily, and I have a ton of new hair growing in. I much prefer it to the alternative. I have alopecia areata, so I'm probably a little more forgiving. As my dermatologist says, I'm "in remission" for now, so no crop circles in my scalp at present (Yay!) I have episodes every few years so for me seeing the frizz is actually reassuring.

Having said that, I second the BRHG or a similar hard hold gel. I scrunch it into soaking wet hair and it eliminates almost all frizz for me. And Pom-curl's method is also very helpful.

CurlyGrey3 06-08-2013 08:03 AM

Can you ladies share your BRHG application technique? I could use details. I'm having trouble with distribution because it's so thick and my hair is dense. Upside down or right side up? Smooth, rake, scrunch? I need help!

PomegranateCurl 06-08-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CurlyGrey3 (Post 2178223)
Can you ladies share your BRHG application technique? I could use details. I'm having trouble with distribution because it's so thick and my hair is dense. Upside down or right side up? Smooth, rake, scrunch? I need help!

I haven't tried this myself but what I've been reading around the boards is that a little bit of BRHG is added to the canopy (I'm assuming smoothed) as a final step, over another "base" gel such as FSG, KCCC or whatever that was already scrunched in.

If you scrunch it in the BRHG on top of the base gel as a final step, you'll get it everywhere and not just over the canopy and if you rake it you might disturb the curls that have already clumped and set with the base gel.

CurlyGrey3 06-08-2013 03:53 PM

Over another gel? I guess the BRHG in that case it being used for frizz reduction on the top layer only?

PomegranateCurl 06-08-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CurlyGrey3 (Post 2178370)
Over another gel? I guess the BRHG in that case it being used for frizz reduction on the top layer only?

Correct!

Of course others use BRHG as their only gel... I assume scrunch it in but I'm not sure it's still on my wishlist! ;)

Weathercurl 06-08-2013 04:49 PM

If I use gel, I have to scrunch it in while my hair is soaking wet. I like the LA sports gel as well as BRHG. It seems to distribute a little better, but the BRHG gives excellent hold for 2 and 3 day hair. With the LA gel use maybe a quarter size puddle for each section of hair, and I do 4 sections. I scrunch that into soaking wet hair, then scrunch out excess water w a microfiber towel, then plop and diffuse. I use less of the BRHG than the LA gel. I have never smoothed gel over the canopy. I don't have good results with gel if use it on drier hair.

Jessiebanana 06-08-2013 06:34 PM

I don't find gel to be the answer for canopy frizz...sometimes I think gels can be drying and make it worse.

I'm discovering my hair just really likes a nice jelly coat. It's why I'm using a detangler as my curl cream! It's brilliant!

Julesonline 06-08-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessiebanana (Post 2178402)
I don't find gel to be the answer for canopy frizz...sometimes I think gels can be drying and make it worse.

I'm discovering my hair just really likes a nice jelly coat. It's why I'm using a detangler as my curl cream! It's brilliant!

Interesting idea! How is the hold and how long is it lasting?

Jessiebanana 06-08-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Julesonline (Post 2178409)
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Originally Posted by Jessiebanana (Post 2178402)
I don't find gel to be the answer for canopy frizz...sometimes I think gels can be drying and make it worse.

I'm discovering my hair just really likes a nice jelly coat. It's why I'm using a detangler as my curl cream! It's brilliant!

Interesting idea! How is the hold and how long is it lasting?

It's keeping me frizz free all day. I can't speak of hold since my curls hold themselves, but everything dries nice and clumpy.

kathymack 06-09-2013 05:28 AM

Cut won't stop canopy frizz.

I, too, only use "jelly" products. My definition--gelatinous consistency without the chemicals. I found that eliminating polyquats really helped with this. While I'm told that they don't build up, I had that spidery canopy frizz, even when wet. Cleansing conditioners with coco b and lowpoos with gentle surfactants didn't "remove" it. Finally used a shampoo with a stronger surfactant. Haven't really had issues since that time. Polyquats that are especially bad for me are 4, 7 and 10.

Frizz free curly hair is an oxymoron. I think a minimal amount is always going to be there. You just want to do whatever you can do to keep it at a minimum.

Here's an old post on frizz that you might find helpful http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...pes-frizz.html I'd have to read through again to see if I agree with what it says--and I'm not going to do that.

Jessiebanana 06-09-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kathymack (Post 2178488)
Frizz free curly hair is an oxymoron. I think a minimal amount is always going to be there. You just want to do whatever you can do to keep it at a minimum.

This and you have to realistic for your curl type. Unless I want to turn my hair into a piece of armor I'm going to have more "frizz", as in unclumped strands, in my hair than someone with a looser pattern and lower density hair.
Also, I think a little frizz is more attractive than that greasy or wet dog look, especially for wavy girls. The volume looks better.

FuzzyMonster 06-09-2013 09:26 PM

Thank you all so much for the great ideas! Glad to know more cutting is probably not the answer. :)

I used to use BRHG, and I got tired of its heaviness. I guess you can't have your cake and at it too.

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wavydaze 06-11-2013 05:36 AM

heavy as in it weighed down your hair or heavy as in too strong of hold?

You can also try mixing BRHG with other gels or homemade FSG.

FuzzyMonster 06-12-2013 09:39 AM

Literally heavy, as in weighs too much.

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wavydaze 06-12-2013 09:52 AM

What are your hair properties and current routine?


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