How often for DT?

I'm thinking my hair is super dry. I'm so not used to daily frizz. I'm a few weeks in to this and my hair doesn't seem improved. At all. What few successes I have had are very short lived since I live in a high dew area. I had fab hair this morning which was finished by 10 am and just got fizzier by the hour. no chance for 2nd day hair tomorrow. I am fairly certain my canopy needs a ton of moisture since it has been highlighted and subjected to regular high heat blow outs for years. Last night I did a mild protein treatment followed by coconut oil overnight. Which my hair seemed to love. So how often can I do these treatments? I know many CG do once per week, but how often can I do it when first starting out? I really need to get my hair in the best shape it can be before my next color session in three weeks.
Type 2B - 3A
Med-High Porosity (partial highlights), medium & corse mixed textures

CG Day 1: May 16, 2013

Poo: CJ Daily Fix Cleansing Condish (as needed)
CO: Tresemme Naturals Vibrantly Smooth Condish
RO&LI: CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil Daily Hair Condish
Styling: CJ Pattern Pusha or FSG, TRESemme Flawless Curls - Bouncy Curls Defining Gel, Giovanni LANaturals HardHold Gel (canopy only)
DT: CJ Curl Rehab, Coconut oil, SS Repairing PT

Techniques: Scrunch-n-pump, tshirt wrap
I don't think there's really a definitive limit on how many deep treatments you can do. Just focus on a good moisture/protein balance. However I think its ok to be a bit overconditioned before your color session so it would be less dried out. What kind of deep treatments do you do? Like what products? Try to use ones with barely or no silicones at all because they dont really penetrate "deeply". Just cover your hair up. I think coconut oil worked for you because it is supposedly one of the oils that penetrate, like olive and avocado oil. Hope I helped.
I have the same problem. My hair is really dry on the ends from color, highlights, and heat damage. I am trying to baby it along so I don't have to BC. I do a DT with coconut oil at least weekly overnight but I've done it twice a week if my hair feels like it needs it. Protein also helps but I find its trickier than coconut oil to use. I use protein heavy products a lot so I am constantly balancing that w moisture and conditioning. I can't use heavy leave in condish at all. My hair is fine and goes limp and frizzy with those so I really don't bother w those. Frequent DTs w coconut oil have made a huge improvement in my hair. I probably wouldn't do more than 2 a week but just because that's plenty for my hair. If you over do it, you will know and you can just cut back. In high dews, I get no frizz if I DT w coconut oil and style with a hard hold gel.

And I am getting my color done today, so I made sure to DT overnight Thursday. I co washed it out yesterday and styled w a bit of mousse so there's not much product in my hair. I usually wait a couple days after color so I'll co wash and or DT again then, depending on how it feels. I've cut the highlights out for now so it's far less damaging than before. 3 weeks is plenty of time to fortify your hair before color, I think.
2b/2c ( weather permitting - 3a), fine texture but lots of it, colored and highlights, BSL.
Experimenting w CG since Oct 2012

Current rotation:
cowash= TN
AG Gel Mousse, LA Gel,
DT = Coconut oil (love)
Some people successfully 'pre-poo' with coconut oil every wash. Some use less concentrated hydrolysed protein products every wash. The only way you will know how your hair will respond is to experiment. Coconut oil does not impart moisture, it actually blocks moisture out, reduces porosity and increases elasticity, protects from colour damage.

Have you considered switching to a roots only colour? One of the most damaging things you can do to your hair is colour/ bleach over the top of colour/ bleach, and it's almost impossible to avoid that with highlights. There is a point where chemical damaged hair is just not salvageable, it has to be cut off or grown out. Switching from a box dye that needed 'refreshing' every six to eight weeks to roots only application was one of the best things I did for my hair, the porosity is much more even where before the ends were super porous, fluffy and unmanageable.

Like Weathercurl I can't use heavy conditioners full of butters or fatty alcohols, but I can use rich ones containing penetrating or repairing ingredients and cationic surfactants on my porous chemical damaged hair. You might consider not just hydrolysed protein and coconut oil - which are both great - but also ceramides, panthenol and 18-MEA (if you can find a CG friendly source of the latter).
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Coconut oil does not impart moisture, it actually blocks moisture out, reduces porosity and increases elasticity, protects from colour damage.
Hi Firefox, this is surprising as I thought coconut oil was used to moisture. Does this follow then that due to my hair being low porosity coconut oil may not be the best choice for my hair?
2C/3A
Coarse/medium
Low Porosity
Trying Deva products.
Have you considered switching to a roots only colour? One of the most damaging things you can do to your hair is colour/ bleach over the top of colour/ bleach, and it's almost impossible to avoid that with highlights. There is a point where chemical damaged hair is just not salvageable, it has to be cut off or grown out. Switching from a box dye that needed 'refreshing' every six to eight weeks to roots only application was one of the best things I did for my hair, the porosity is much more even where before the ends were super porous, fluffy and unmanageable.

Like Weathercurl I can't use heavy conditioners full of butters or fatty alcohols, but I can use rich ones containing penetrating or repairing ingredients and cationic surfactants on my porous chemical damaged hair. You might consider not just hydrolysed protein and coconut oil - which are both great - but also ceramides, panthenol and 18-MEA (if you can find a CG friendly source of the latter).
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I have been using full permanent color for my high/low lights for some time. I've been thinking that I might try going to a demi-perm Color but the problem is that I like to streatch my appointments out to 9-10 weeks and I'm not sure the demi will last that long even with just cowwashing. I cant get away with not coloring. First thing, I really hate my natural color. Second I've been coloring for 20 years. Third at 37 I have a ridiculous amount of very course wiry grey hair that stands out against my natural hair. So I need to continue coloring and I think I just need to strike a balance between the color and the curls.
Type 2B - 3A
Med-High Porosity (partial highlights), medium & corse mixed textures

CG Day 1: May 16, 2013

Poo: CJ Daily Fix Cleansing Condish (as needed)
CO: Tresemme Naturals Vibrantly Smooth Condish
RO&LI: CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil Daily Hair Condish
Styling: CJ Pattern Pusha or FSG, TRESemme Flawless Curls - Bouncy Curls Defining Gel, Giovanni LANaturals HardHold Gel (canopy only)
DT: CJ Curl Rehab, Coconut oil, SS Repairing PT

Techniques: Scrunch-n-pump, tshirt wrap
I have been using full permanent color for my high/low lights for some time. I've been thinking that I might try going to a demi-perm Color but the problem is that I like to streatch my appointments out to 9-10 weeks and I'm not sure the demi will last that long even with just cowwashing. I cant get away with not coloring. First thing, I really hate my natural color. Second I've been coloring for 20 years. Third at 37 I have a ridiculous amount of very course wiry grey hair that stands out against my natural hair. So I need to continue coloring and I think I just need to strike a balance between the color and the curls.
Originally Posted by alslgirl2002
I am 40+ been dying my dark mouse more interesting colours since I was 17, no intention of stopping nor suggesting anyone else stop so I am not sure why you are defending yourself! I have however spent the last two years growing out damage partly from repeatedly 'refreshing' the lengths every six to eight weeks. Hair is dead so nothing can repair it, the only solution is to cut back on the damage. Even at ten weeks the ends will be processed five times each year (so 10 times if you hair is ~12 inches long, 20 times if it's ~24 inches) when only once is necessary.

IMO just do the roots with permanent dye and let your frizzy lengths alone, if your colour needs refreshing use a semi permanent. No peroxide, usually a conditioner base so non damaging, will take fine on hair that has previously been high/ low lighted. A demi permanent will just mean you need to expose your hair to alkaline conditions more often, repeatedly dying really is one of the most damaging things you can do.

Make you colour last longer by washing in cool water with a product that is the appropriate pH for hair (~4.5), use leave in instead of wash out conditioner so you use less water, stretch washes with dry shampoo.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 06-09-2013 at 03:33 AM.

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