I know my hair properties! What do I do with them now?

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Hi curlies!

I'm so exited, I finally have my hair analysis results!
Anyway here I go:
Width: fine
Porosity: Normal
Elasticity: normal

First of all I want to say something. Aaaall my life, people (including most hair dressers) have told me I had coarse hair (and here in Belgium thick and coarse doesn't give any confusion, if we say coarse we definitely mean the width and not the amount), but I always felt that they were just judging on the amount of hair I had. I thought it was possible that I had coarse hair, but that they were just saying that because I had a lot of hear. Now my suspicion is confirmed, because I have fine hair (I already started to think that). So now, if people tell me "you must have coarse hair" I can answer "Not really, in fact I have fine hair, but I just have a lot of it".
Then, second of all, I'm happy I'm not high porosity. I thought my hair behaved more like low porosity, but I was "fearing" it was more high porosity because of colour damage and heatdamage. Normal porosity is just fine for me!

Now the questions...
Fine width, normal porosity and normal elasticity.
What should I use then? What should I do and what should I avoid?
Do I have any hair twins on here? (probably, since you are so many) Hair twins, be warned: I will stalk your siggy's

I'm going to make a siggy of my own after exams and will probably make work of a decent picture to put as my avvie
Mines the exact same!!!
3a, normal porosity, fine texture, normal elasticity
experimenting with:
co-wash: suave naturals
rinse-out: tresemme naturals moisturizing conditioner
other products: nothing yet

Pretty sure mine are the same too!
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Fine texture
Low/ Med porosity
Med density

Wash: SM MR, GTTT
RO: SM MR, GTTT
LI: SM CSM or SM MR
Styling:AVG, KCCC, Volumax MEGA (HG), Joico Curl Definer
Wrong thread
3a, normal porosity, fine texture, normal elasticity
experimenting with:
co-wash: suave naturals
rinse-out: tresemme naturals moisturizing conditioner
other products: nothing yet

Congratulations! You already have a thread dedicated to your combination!

Fine, normal, normal - product/technique loves?
Neleke likes this.
Congratulations!
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Many times people mistake fine curly hair for coarse because it's dry and "wiry." If you hair is appropriately moisturized, that shouldn't happen.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I already had that when I still flat ironed my hair... and it never looked dry then (probably because of all of the silicones and serums I was using then )... I just have a lot of hair (like: when my hair dresser dyes my hair, she has to use double the amount of dye that she has to use on other clients)
I already had that when I still flat ironed my hair... and it never looked dry then (probably because of all of the silicones and serums I was using then )... I just have a lot of hair (like: when my hair dresser dyes my hair, she has to use double the amount of dye that she has to use on other clients)
Originally Posted by Neleke
When I was younger, I was frequently by hairdressers that I had enough hair for two people! Unfortunately, age, thyroid and the side effect of a medication I take have thinned it. All my life, I was told that my hair was fine, no matter what the density.

Since you said, "Aaaall my life, people (including most hair dressers) have told me I had coarse hair," one of two things is probably true. Either your texture has changed, or my prior comment has merit.
Neleke likes this.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
texture hasn't changed, people still say I have coarse hair.
But I have noticed that here in Belgium people tend not to really care about hair (most of my friends go to the hair dresser like once every couple of years, I go every 6 weeks but that's probably just because I dye since I got grey at the age of 15, I am 22 now by the way). People don't know a lot about hair here and I guess everyone here confuses density with width. I think there are even a lot of people here that think every strand of hair is the same. (every strand on anyone's head) and that their is only a difference in colour or if someone has curly hair or not. My mother got told by a lot of people that she has fine hair, because you can see her scalp. If I compare an individual hair of hers to mine, her hair seems like double the width or so...

So I think that here in Belgium, most people really judge width incorrectly by watching the amount of hair... assuming that if you can see someone's scalp, he/she must automatically have fine hair, and if you see a really "big" ponytail, he/she must have coarse hair.
another thing to say how bizarre Belgian people are about hair, and how "much" they know about it: we have a lot of swimming pools (mine not included) where you aren't aloud to shower with your own soap and shampoo and where there is like a really big bottle of shampoo available for everyone to use ==> yes, I think that something like that treats people like everyone's hair is the same
oh and just to avoid confusion: I am talking about width here...
In Belgium when we talk about width though (although that concept seems to be misunderstood as well) we say (literally translated): thick/fine hair... which is very confusing for me because here thick means the density
Neleke, I'm glad you finally know your properties! If I were you, I would revise my products and techniques after having done some research on what to do and what to avoid with your properties.

These links were very helpful:
Live Curly, Live Free: Hair Texture
Live Curly, Live Free: Hair Porosity
Live Curly, Live Free: Hair Elasticity and Density

(Yes, this is the blog of the Live Curly Live Free website. These are just a few example links - there is so much information out there and on the forum here. You should try the search function, it's great!).

I think reading up on what behaviour you can expect from your hair because of your properties, and how ingredients and methods can influence them is crucial. Seeing that you have fine hair and everything else is normal, you probably like protein and shouldn't struggle too much with getting moisture and product absorbed (and held!) by your hair.

Happy hair journeying!

By the way, the whole confusion about hair width and density is much easier in the Netherlands. To begin with, most hairdressers don't even know what you're talking about (so there can't be any confusion), and fine hair can refer both to low density or width, whereas coarse means your hair has a rough structure, the width or that you simply have high density. However, most people don't think about it and usually simply mean density when talking about fine and coarse.
Neleke likes this.
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Weleda Oat Replenishing Shampoo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number

Last edited by Lauraimes; 06-09-2013 at 07:21 AM.
another thing to say how bizarre Belgian people are about hair, and how "much" they know about it: we have a lot of swimming pools (mine not included) where you aren't aloud to shower with your own soap and shampoo and where there is like a really big bottle of shampoo available for everyone to use ==> yes, I think that something like that treats people like everyone's hair is the same
Originally Posted by Neleke
And treat everyone's skin the same, I bet that shampoo contains sulphate surfactants and potential allergens in the preservatives.

Loads of hairdressers are clueless here too, not one has ever identified that I have wavy/ curly hair even tho it is wavy when wet. Several have claimed their super high heat flat iron won't damage my hair because it's a top brand. The last time I asked about sulphate free shampoo and silicone free conditioner the stylist looked completely blank and had to go ask two other people before she got a 'no'. I don't expect them to be familiar with the Curly Girl method, I do expect them to know about atopic eczema.
Neleke likes this.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
another thing to say how bizarre Belgian people are about hair, and how "much" they know about it: we have a lot of swimming pools (mine not included) where you aren't aloud to shower with your own soap and shampoo and where there is like a really big bottle of shampoo available for everyone to use ==> yes, I think that something like that treats people like everyone's hair is the same
Originally Posted by Neleke
And treat everyone's skin the same, I bet that shampoo contains sulphate surfactants and potential allergens in the preservatives.

Loads of hairdressers are clueless here too, not one has ever identified that I have wavy/ curly hair even tho it is wavy when wet. Several have claimed their super high heat flat iron won't damage my hair because it's a top brand. The last time I asked about sulphate free shampoo and silicone free conditioner the stylist looked completely blank and had to go ask two other people before she got a 'no'. I don't expect them to be familiar with the Curly Girl method, I do expect them to know about atopic eczema.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I think hair properties are the basics of hair, so I do expect my hair stylist to at least know about that. It's a shame she doesn't (nor do other Dutch stylists). And indeed, they should be aware of skin problems. Basic knowledge about ingredients is important too, if you ask me. How else can they advise their costumers properly?
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F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Weleda Oat Replenishing Shampoo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
Those things you guys said are EXACTLY what I mean!
Hair dressers here (no matter which one you go to, it doesn't mean that you just chose a bad one) don't know anything about hair properties, ingredients or skin problems (and let's not begin with "normal" people on the streets)...
At the hair dresser they have bottles for colourtreated hair, to calm your scalp, to repair your hair, ... (all with sulfates and silicones) and they have 2 types of bottles. One bottle with "fine hair" written on it, one bottle with "thick hair" written on it. I do believe that the different shampoos were made for different widths of hair, because I wouldn't know why they would make a different shampoo for people with a bit of hair and people with a lot of it. So I assume that the bottle for fine hair is designed for people with fine width, and the bottle for "thick hair" is designed for people with coarse width.
They see me coming, and the minute they see me (and they always told me my hair looked so healthy) they grab the bottle for thick hair. Yes, I do have a lot of hair (if I measure my the circumference of my ponytail it's always somewhere between 12 cm and 15 cm depending on how tight I pulled the scrunchie), but as I already suspected I do have fine hair... Pleaaase use the fine hair bottle on my hair!
(I still don't feel comfortable bringing my own stuff will probably do that later on )
It will be a cold day in hell before a sulphate shampoo touches my hair or skin again. I currently rock up to the stylist with clean wet hair, but would rather cite my skin issues than my hair issues with a new salon since they cannot argue with that.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 939
I understand what your saying some people will call anything curly coarse. Many type 3c-4 people have fine hair, but there are a lot of ignorant stylists out there will assume it's coarse. When I flat ironed my hair, I couldn't have that done in the salon because they would crank they heat up.
I have the same properties too, but no definite product go to's yet! I'm only 7 wkd CG
Fine/Thin hair (low density)
Normal porosity
Normal Elasticity

Techniques: Modified Super Soaker, plopping, pixe diffusing, clipping

Low poo: Acure, Y2Cukes
Co Wash: SNRS, Suave Tropical Coconut
RO: Y2C
Style: FSG (HG!!!!), with HETT & BRHG or Devacurl Ultra light defining Gel
PT: IAGirls Gelatin
DT: GVP CB mixed with Coconut oil, Olive Oil, Agave (or honey).

Favorite Styling tools: Devafuser, Deva clips & Flour Sack Towels
I was wondering, there were some products I wanted to try maybe once I got my propertiesresults.
So, I have fine hair, normal porosity, normal elasticity.
I definitely want to stay away from things that will weigh my hair down.

What of the following products should I try to use and which ones should I avoid?
BRHG
Yes to Cucumbers conditioner
Body Shop Rainforest Radiance shampoo
KCCC
KCKT
Kinky Curly come clean
CHS Curl Keeper
AO GPB
AO Honeysuckle rose conditioner
V05 conditioner
Shea Moisture Organic Coconut and Hibiscus Curl
Enhancing Smoothie
Shea Moisture Organic Raw Shea Butter Moisture
Retention Shampoo
Curl Junkie Curl Rehab Moisturizing hair treatment
Curl Junkie Daily Fix Cleansing Conditioner
Curl Junkie Repair me!
Curl Junkie Curl Cream
Inecto coconut conditioner
Suave tropical coconut conditioner





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