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Old 06-10-2013, 09:14 AM   #1
 
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Default Calling all fine haired curls!

I have had it up to here with my curls and scalp fighting each other! I cannot for the life of me find a styling product that gives me the hold I need (these don't give me enough hold: sm, L'oreal ever curl cream gel), doesn't weigh down my hair or dry it out (ck, gvp liquid sculpting gel, ag curl mousse gel, la looks nutracurl, devacurl gels), or make my scalp break out into red bumps that bleed (tresseme flawless curls mousse, Aussie mousse, John frida curl mousse)

The only products I have had ok results with is hett curl bossing mousse and ouidad climate control gel which I'm trying to avoid using because its expensive and has silicones in it. The hett mousse does not give me enough hold on its own.

I have fine 3b hair with baby fine hairs in the front framing my face, normal porosity, normal elasticity, VERY dense/lots of hair. If anyone had any suggestions it would be greatly appreciated!

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Old 06-10-2013, 09:26 AM   #2
 
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What has your family doctor diagnosed for your scalp issues?
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:28 AM   #3
 
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I'm not fine-haired, but something that might work or you is KCCC. It's all-natural, so hopefully won't provoke an allergic reaction, and if you use a small amount with a light touch, it shouldn't weigh you down. I'm not sure how much hold you are looking for, but it does provide some. Hopefully others will chime in with further suggestions!
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:46 AM   #4
 
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Have you tried BRHG? It has amazing hold. You could even try mixing it with the gels that you found were lacking in hold.
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Firefox: I have not been able to go to the Dr cause I'm off health insurance, but I do have really sensitive skin that reacts badly to things with lots of chemicals.

Hootenanny: I have been debating about trying kccc got a while but I hear such mixed reviews on it. Guess I won't know until I try! The pj in me well be very happy.

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Corinna: what does BRHG stand for?

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I also have fine, normal porosity hair (though my hair isn't thick). I had the same problem finding products that hold the curl but don't weigh my hair down. I really liked Loreal Eversleek conditiner and have been using that as my only LI but decided recently that it was contributing to my hair being over conditioned. Soooo, I've been using a lot less of that conditioner combined with LA sports Gel and its doing great things! I'm even getting second day hair which never happens! Lol have you tried other gels?
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Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee. It's a little pricier than the regular drugstore stuff, but cheaper than Deva or Ouidad. And a little goes a long way, which is what makes it great as an add-in.
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:57 AM   #9
 
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Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee. It's a little pricier than the regular drugstore stuff, but cheaper than Deva or Ouidad. And a little goes a long way, which is what makes it great as an add-in.
I'll look into that! I don't mind spending money if it'll work. Thanks for the suggestion!

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Old 06-10-2013, 10:00 AM   #10
 
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Soooo, I've been using a lot less of that conditioner combined with LA sports Gel and its doing great things! I'm even getting second day hair which never happens! Lol have you tried other gels?
I've tried the nutra curl gel from la looks, deva curl gels, and ouidad gels before. I moved away from them because I hated how long it took my hair to dry but mousse doesn't seem to be providing much hold for me.

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Firefox: I have not been able to go to the Dr cause I'm off health insurance, but I do have really sensitive skin that reacts badly to things with lots of chemicals.

Hootenanny: I have been debating about trying kccc got a while but I hear such mixed reviews on it. Guess I won't know until I try! The pj in me well be very happy.

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Could you afford to just see your family doctor instead of a dermatologist? They can diagnose all the common conditions, a pharmacist is also a good (free) source of advice, show them any active lesions. It's not a wise move to self treat based on a self diagnosis, it's super easy to do more harm than good and actually worsen your condition. In the long run you could easily waste more money indulging your inner product junkie on useless products than you'd have spent resolving the issue in the first place. Small red bumps that bleed might be folliculitis which often needs antibiotic treatment, and certainly indicate you have a damaged skin barrier.

There are some things you can do that will be effective on several possible scalp complaints whilst you are awaiting a diagnosis. Firstly is your body and haircare routine completely sulphate free, not using any traditional soaps or alkaline products? Ideally choose products that are pH 4.5 to 5.5 because this respects your skin's protective acid mantle/ barrier function as well as reducing frizz by helping the cuticle lay flat.

Plant extracts are as likely to cause negative reactions as lab made chemicals, there are plenty of toxins, irritants, allergens and even poisons in nature. Having said that the obvious choices to me for styling products are homemade okra gel or flaxseed gel because these have just one edible ingredient, you might try a good quality aloe vera (made from standardised inner leaf extract not whole leaf) because this is proven anti inflammatory, healing, collagen inducing and hypoallergenic and some do like it for hair. You can thicken any of them for more hold with xanthan gum which is also a food ingredient.

Secondly review your diet and lifestyle and make it as anti inflammatory, anti stress (not just life events but sleep, smoking, alcohol, drugs, sedentary behaviour, excessive) and nutrient dense as possible. Particularly consider your intake of oily fish, sugar and white refined carbs. This can strengthen the skin barrier, calm inappropriate immune response, reduce systemic inflammation, balance the amount and composition of your sebum.

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Old 06-10-2013, 10:45 AM   #12
 
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Sally's has Volumax Mega gel that's a hard hold gel. I really like it, scrunches out easily and holds all day.

You should definitely compare the ingredients in the products that cause you issues to those in the products that don't so you can get an idea of what ingredient(s) are the culprits. Trying new products without knowing what to avoid is kind of a crap shoot.

Of course getting a dermatologist or allergy specialist to test you for sensitivities would be best.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:23 PM   #13
 
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I'm not fine-haired, but something that might work or you is KCCC. It's all-natural, so hopefully won't provoke an allergic reaction, and if you use a small amount with a light touch, it shouldn't weigh you down. I'm not sure how much hold you are looking for, but it does provide some. Hopefully others will chime in with further suggestions!
Omg hootenanny! I tried KCCC and i'm in love! This is the first time I've have soft curls that has hold, shine, volume, little to no frizz... Ever! It'd pretty crunchy at first when it dries, but I think some of that is I was a little too heavy handed with it the first two times. Plus it scrunched out pretty easy.

So far my scalp has been fine and I have high hopes for it since it hasn't reacted negatively to KCKT. I still want to go to a dermatologist for my scalp once i'm on insurance but for more all seems good! Thanks for the suggestion lady!

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Old 06-18-2013, 05:37 AM   #14
 
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I have rosacea and very sensitive, allergic skin. Have been allergic to many of the popular products over my years on nc.com (CK, anything Bioterra, original SM li) My hair doesn't care for a lot of chemicals, especially the polyquats. I use what I call "jelly" products (KCCC would be one)--gelatinous consistency without the chemicals.

My stylist would have you stay away from mousse. Beside the drying alcohols, the propellant can also be drying.

Since your hair is fine, you could probably use protein. Protein tightens my curls, adds volume and helps reduce frizz for me.

My hair (and skin) prefer the more natural products from the online, boutique type companies. For the most part, I stay away from most of the mass produced products. Not sure, but I think they might use better ingredients.
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