Day 1 of CG... Not great. Please tell me it gets better?!

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  • 1 Post By Jessiebanana
  • 1 Post By kaykre

I know there is often an adjustment period but is it normal for my hair to look THIS flat, limp, and lank? It's so bad. I realize its normal for it to look worse before it gets better but should it look this bad? I mean...is there potential here?

Just for reference... I clarified yesterday and followed up with biolage conditioning balm. Today I co washed with vo5 kiwi lime and followed with Aubrey organic honeysuckle rose. I styled like usually... Raked deva angell through soaking wet hair, combed, scrunch a little, plopped for 30 min, and air dried.

Below is my hair PRE CG with normal styling...

Any suggestions?
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.



Last edited by kaykre; 09-07-2013 at 01:08 AM.
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Don't co-wash, just use a sulfate free poo...or co-wash but skip the RO conditioner. Your scalp may be over producing oil because it's used to being stripped or it could just be that your hair can't handle all the conditioner you're throwing at it.
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Ty! Maybe it is over conditioned...it feels MUCH silkier than usual. I do have porous, dry/damaged hair so I thought it'd soak it up
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


My scalp was very oily the first week until my hair adjusted. Then I mostly co-washed for a few weeks, but I think I need to incorporate more no/low pooing in now. My hair definitely perked up after my last no poo.

Give it a month or two to see how your hair changes. Mine is so much softer and more moisturized now after only a month.
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
Having just gone through week one, I can tell you that there are good days and there are bad days! My hair REALLY suffered from overconditioning in the first few days, and things got much better once I applied a protein treatment! I've come to realize that I need much more protein with the CG method, and that I can be a bit more aggressive with co-washing when I make sure to protein-treat!

I also hada few days of reeeeally limp hair at the beginning. It definitely got better for me!
3A/2C | fine | high-po length, low-po roots | medium density | shoulder-length

Shower Time!
Treat: EVCO
Co-Wash: DE Unscented Condish with added lavender and tea tree EOs
Condish: DE Coconut Condish with added local honey

Styling
After Shower: Homemade FSG with added gelatine

+ bi-weekly protein DIY treatments (gelatin and egg yolk)
+ mindful nutrition
Does the biolage conditioning balm have cones?
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Does the biolage conditioning balm have cones?
Originally Posted by wavydaze
It's cone free
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2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


I find the biolage CB is too much for my hair this time of year. My hair bid liking lighter condishes now.
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3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
RO/LI:
YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



I agree with Jessiebanana, you can try backing off the moisture a little and see if it gets better. Your hair actually looks in great shape! Co-washing isn't for everyone and some wavies/curlies struggle with being overconditioned. I think that a lot of wavies, especially fine-haired can have that problem. Remember that you can be perfectly CG and use a low-poo regularly. You'll just have to experiment until you find your balance.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Ill stick it out through the first few weeks of CG and try to find a lighter conditioner. Any recs? Preferably with protein
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


I'm not a products expert but I did pick up the SheaMoisture Coconut/Hibiscus Curl & Style milk. It has a bit of protein and is light. I used it as a leave-in and really liked it. I think you can use it as an RO as well.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Many of us have spent years trying and failing with commercial sulphate and silicone rich products. Few people get great results from day one with CG either, it takes trial and error to know how much of a product to apply as well as find the right product combinations. To me there is a difference between being over conditioned and simply using too much product/ build up.

Your signature seems at odds with you saying you are on day one of CG, what have you actually changed? Are you choosing your products and ingredients based on your hair properties and dew points/ humidity? Many ingredients don't absorb, they sit on the surface and that can be more obvious in those with fine hair. Just because your hair liked raking and disliked scrunching with one set of products it doesn't mean it will be the same with a different set of products. Raking and combing for me would total kill my waves.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 06-15-2013 at 08:25 AM.
Many of us have spent years trying and failing with commercial sulphate and silicone rich products. Few people get great results from day one with CG either, it takes trial and error to know how much of a product to apply as well as find the right product combinations. To me there is a difference between being over conditioned and simply using too much product/ build up.

Your signature seems at odds with you saying you are on day one of CG, what have you actually changed? Are you choosing your products and ingredients based on your hair properties and dew points/ humidity? Many ingredients don't absorb, they sit on the surface and that can be more obvious in those with fine hair. Just because your hair liked raking and disliked scrunching with one set of products it doesn't mean it will be the same with a different set of products. Raking and combing for me would total kill my waves.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
The likes/dislikes part is things I already knew my hair liked.. I've changed my entire routine. I went through all of my products and separated what had cones and sulfates and what didn't. Besides that, I'm still not really sure what ingredients my hair likes (besides proteins).
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


If you have porous hair ingredients wise hydrolysed protein is great, coconut oil, panthenol and ceramides are all worth a shot. Komaza Care do some lightweight products containing these ingredients, you might get on with CURLS Milkshake depending on dew points.
Komaza Care - The Complete Hair Solution
Curls Milkshake - Curl Lotion|CURLS

Schwarzkopf Gliss (Kur) Ultimate Volume conditioner is heavy on protein but is oil free and glycerin free, I'm getting good curl formation and some shine from that as a leave in at present. If nothing else it will clarify whether your hair truly does adore protein or something else in the formulas you used to use since it's super basic other than the protein and panthenol.
"Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Hydrolyzed Collagen, Panthenol, Cocodimonium Hydroxypropyl Hydrolyzed Keratin, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Isopropyl Myristate, behonoyl PG-Trimonium Chloride, Citric Acid, VP/VA Coplymer, Phenoxyethanol, Behentrimonium Chloride, Sodium Methylparaben, Hexylene Glycol, Parfum, Polyquaternium-37, Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Hexyl Cinnamal, Amyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool, Benzyl Salicylate."
Amazon.com: Gliss Kur Ultimate Volume Hair Conditioner with Sea Collagen: Health & Personal Care

Once you find a more suitable conditioner or amend the amounts of product you are using now, do give gentle scrunching instead of raking another try, I used to get frizz from scrunching before CG.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Ty! You only scrunch in products, right? Do you only scrunch with your hands? Or a microfiber towel?

I find that when i comb or rake products through I get even product distribution and much less frizz but it loosens my waves ALOT and I get flat roots. But when I only scrunch (upside down or right side up, if I detangle in the shower or not) I get much more curl and great clumping but I get spots that look like tangly, frizzy messes.
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


Ty! You only scrunch in products, right? Do you only scrunch with your hands? Or a microfiber towel?

I find that when i comb or rake products through I get even product distribution and much less frizz but it loosens my waves ALOT and I get flat roots. But when I only scrunch (upside down or right side up, if I detangle in the shower or not) I get much more curl and great clumping but I get spots that look like tangly, frizzy messes.
Originally Posted by kaykre
I sometimes scrunch rinse out conditioner in the shower, scrunch in my products section by section with hands, scrunch out the excess water super gently with a towel. I've recently switched from microfibre to flour sack towels.

Sometimes I get a tangly ill defined mess at the back. I need to choose the right products/ ingredients, get product right up to the roots and evenly, have wet enough hair throughout, not flip upside down and rightway up repeatedly. Of those the water is surprisingly important: the back of my hair seems to dry out faster than the rest, I think partly due to finer hair at the nape, partly to gravity (I do everything upside down).
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Ty! You only scrunch in products, right? Do you only scrunch with your hands? Or a microfiber towel?

I find that when i comb or rake products through I get even product distribution and much less frizz but it loosens my waves ALOT and I get flat roots. But when I only scrunch (upside down or right side up, if I detangle in the shower or not) I get much more curl and great clumping but I get spots that look like tangly, frizzy messes.
Originally Posted by kaykre
I sometimes scrunch rinse out conditioner in the shower, scrunch in my products section by section with hands, scrunch out the excess water super gently with a towel. I've recently switched from microfibre to flour sack towels.

Sometimes I get a tangly ill defined mess at the back. I need to choose the right products/ ingredients, get product right up to the roots and evenly, have wet enough hair throughout, not flip upside down and rightway up repeatedly. Of those the water is surprisingly important: the back of my hair seems to dry out faster than the rest, I think partly due to finer hair at the nape, partly to gravity (I do everything upside down).
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Thanks! How do you part your hair? If i part i get flat roots, if i don't it parts dead center and is incredibly unflattering.


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2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


Ty! You only scrunch in products, right? Do you only scrunch with your hands? Or a microfiber towel?

I find that when i comb or rake products through I get even product distribution and much less frizz but it loosens my waves ALOT and I get flat roots. But when I only scrunch (upside down or right side up, if I detangle in the shower or not) I get much more curl and great clumping but I get spots that look like tangly, frizzy messes.
Originally Posted by kaykre
I have to rake everything through wet hair to get good distribution, but to get the root curl and clumping, I then "scrunch and pump". There's a huge thread on this method that I bumped fairly recently. It works really well for me. I also use quite a bit of product, and usually two layers of stylers. After my leave in, I apply a curl enhancer (okra gel, curl junkie curls in a bottle, uncle funkys curly magic, spiral solutions curl enhancing jelly, etc), then always top with a gel (spiral solutions firm hold gel, LA looks sport or mega gel, bio silk rock hard gelee, curl junkie pattern pusha).
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Thanks! How do you part your hair? If i part i get flat roots, if i don't it parts dead center and is incredibly unflattering.


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Originally Posted by kaykre
I don't part my hair. When wet I flip it to one side or backwards, then pin/ clip or diffuse in that position, then flip to the other side when partly or wholly dry if I want more volume. Oftentimes I wear my old fringe/ bangs that are now grown out in a sort of quiff either wet or dry too, especially if the part falls weird.

Various methods by which curlies get more root volume, avoid or move parts Root Volume for Curly Girls - YouTube
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

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