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Old 06-19-2013, 11:08 AM   #21
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For the others who mentioned oils and such, I've tried all of those options and nothing has helped. The weird thing is that it rarely itches, it's just scaley flakes on my scalp.
Have you considered going to your family doctor yet? It really does not need to be a dermatologist. Most of the advice given on this thread could worsen one or more of the common scalp disorders. Pruritis is one possible symptom, many people with flaking do not have itching, it's not weird.
My appointment with my doctor isn't until July. So, I have to wait until then.
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My appointment with my doctor isn't until July. So, I have to wait until then.
I thought that was your consultant not your family doctor?
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:56 PM   #23
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For the others who mentioned oils and such, I've tried all of those options and nothing has helped. The weird thing is that it rarely itches, it's just scaley flakes on my scalp.
Have you considered going to your family doctor yet? It really does not need to be a dermatologist. Most of the advice given on this thread could worsen one or more of the common scalp disorders. Pruritis is one possible symptom, many people with flaking do not have itching, it's not weird.
I didn't see that you responded! That's my Rhuematologist that I see every three months. I also have my primary doctor who I see every three months as well and both appointments are in July.
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Moderate CG? No harsh sulfates, limited 'cones.
Poo: L'oreal Ever Sleek
Condish: GVP Conditioning Balm
Deep Condish: L'oreal Ever Pure
Styling products: Bumble & Bumble smoothing creme, Not Your Mother's Curl Creme, and Giovanni gel.
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:49 AM   #24
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Thanks for the prompt replies, ladies. I appreciate it! Currently, I've been using Dove Intensive Repair Shampoo & Conditioner along with their Whipped Cream Mousse. I don't have any issues with the rest of my hair. It's shiny, the curls are tamed, and it is really long. It's just the flakes that are getting in my way. I tried going CG two years ago and it did not work for me.
Your scalp is skin, not hair. The shampoo you are using contains harsh surfactants, silicones and preservatives. The conditioner has only 1-2 emollient ingredients, the rest is cones and preservatives.

You don't have to cowash to be CG, switching to a gentle lowpoo and a condish with more emollients and fewer cones, oils and butters may help. My favorite lowpoo is DermOrganic, their condish is good too. It is available at Target and Ulta and I'm sure many other places. There are lots of other brands too, that is just one example.
Went to buy DermOrganic and looked at the ingredients. Turns out is has proteins and my hair can't stand proteins.
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Deep Condish: L'oreal Ever Pure
Styling products: Bumble & Bumble smoothing creme, Not Your Mother's Curl Creme, and Giovanni gel.
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Went to buy DermOrganic and looked at the ingredients. Turns out is has proteins and my hair can't stand proteins.
The DermOrganics line has amino acids, not full proteins, my understanding is that they're smaller and don't really act like proteins. Firefox says they mostly rinse out rather then sticking to the hair like proteins do. .???
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Old 06-27-2013, 10:22 PM   #26
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Went to buy DermOrganic and looked at the ingredients. Turns out is has proteins and my hair can't stand proteins.
The DermOrganics line has amino acids, not full proteins, my understanding is that they're smaller and don't really act like proteins. Firefox says they mostly rinse out rather then sticking to the hair like proteins do. .???
Hmm..not sure about that but I'm extremely protein sensitive. Anything with protein, amino acids, even coconut and jojoba oils make my hair like straw. I've read up on it before and apparently, coconut and jojoba oils act like protein. I just avoid all of those ingredients all together because my hair will become a huge mess and take weeks to get back to normal. I've been trying to find protein free lo-poos and conditioners but it is pretty difficult.
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Moderate CG? No harsh sulfates, limited 'cones.
Poo: L'oreal Ever Sleek
Condish: GVP Conditioning Balm
Deep Condish: L'oreal Ever Pure
Styling products: Bumble & Bumble smoothing creme, Not Your Mother's Curl Creme, and Giovanni gel.
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Hmm..not sure about that but I'm extremely protein sensitive. Anything with protein, amino acids, even coconut and jojoba oils make my hair like straw. I've read up on it before and apparently, coconut and jojoba oils act like protein. I just avoid all of those ingredients all together because my hair will become a huge mess and take weeks to get back to normal. I've been trying to find protein free lo-poos and conditioners but it is pretty difficult.
There is a whole lot of erroneous diagnostics on haircare forums IMO. Coconut and jojoba oils have little to do with protein, the 'acting like protein' thing is pseudoscience. Coconut oil helps the hair retain more of its structural proteins, if that property alone made your hair badly behaved then virgin new growth would be far more of a nightmare than your naturally weathered ends.

Amino acids are the building blocks of proteins but they are too small to build up, they are very water soluble so will largely wash right off hair again. Try reading haircare blogs written by those with a science background - 'curl chemist' here on NC, Natural Haven for example.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
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Old 06-29-2013, 06:25 PM   #28
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Hmm..not sure about that but I'm extremely protein sensitive. Anything with protein, amino acids, even coconut and jojoba oils make my hair like straw. I've read up on it before and apparently, coconut and jojoba oils act like protein. I just avoid all of those ingredients all together because my hair will become a huge mess and take weeks to get back to normal. I've been trying to find protein free lo-poos and conditioners but it is pretty difficult.
There is a whole lot of erroneous diagnostics on haircare forums IMO. Coconut and jojoba oils have little to do with protein, the 'acting like protein' thing is pseudoscience. Coconut oil helps the hair retain more of its structural proteins, if that property alone made your hair badly behaved then virgin new growth would be far more of a nightmare than your naturally weathered ends.

Amino acids are the building blocks of proteins but they are too small to build up, they are very water soluble so will largely wash right off hair again. Try reading haircare blogs written by those with a science background - 'curl chemist' here on NC, Natural Haven for example.
I'll have to read up more on it. But, for some reason, I've tried coconut and jojoba oils and they leave my hair frizzy and straw-like. Anything with protein or glycerin or amino acids make my hair go wild. I just have very stubborn hair.
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Moderate CG? No harsh sulfates, limited 'cones.
Poo: L'oreal Ever Sleek
Condish: GVP Conditioning Balm
Deep Condish: L'oreal Ever Pure
Styling products: Bumble & Bumble smoothing creme, Not Your Mother's Curl Creme, and Giovanni gel.
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I'll have to read up more on it. But, for some reason, I've tried coconut and jojoba oils and they leave my hair frizzy and straw-like. Anything with protein or glycerin or amino acids make my hair go wild. I just have very stubborn hair.
You are unlikely to have hair any more 'special snowflake' than anyone else's, for most if not all of us choice of ingredient families and products is about balance. Did you try the oils straight up or as an ingredient? This frequently gives two very different effects; similarly bananas are healthy but you would not consider it a balanced diet to eat a meal of five bananas each day.

Amino acids don't behave the same as proteins, if you are identifying those as the issue you may be identifying the wrong culprit. Both hydrolysed protein and glycerin both have humectant properties, in the wrong dew points or not balanced out with the right other ingredients it's not uncommon for humectants to cause or increase frizz and/ or dryness.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics

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Old 07-02-2013, 12:03 PM   #30
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I'll have to read up more on it. But, for some reason, I've tried coconut and jojoba oils and they leave my hair frizzy and straw-like. Anything with protein or glycerin or amino acids make my hair go wild. I just have very stubborn hair.
You are unlikely to have hair any more 'special snowflake' than anyone else's, for most if not all of us choice of ingredient families and products is about balance. Did you try the oils straight up or as an ingredient? This frequently gives two very different effects; similarly bananas are healthy but you would not consider it a balanced diet to eat a meal of five bananas each day.

Amino acids don't behave the same as proteins, if you are identifying those as the issue you may be identifying the wrong culprit. Both hydrolysed protein and glycerin both have humectant properties, in the wrong dew points or not balanced out with the right other ingredients it's not uncommon for humectants to cause or increase frizz and/ or dryness.
I haven't tried the pure oils so that may be a reason why. I'm sure I have protein sensitivities as I have tried several protein rich products. I also live in Florida so the humidity kills me. However, despite my scalp issues, my hair is in great shape. Even though I use sulfates and cones, my curls are soft, bouncy, and healthy. But, I've done some research on the side and I might give CG a go again. I've read that it has really helped people with scalp issues. It wouldn't hurt to give it a try again.

Anyway, my appointment is on Monday so I'm hopeful that my doctor can tell me what is going on there. Then I'll switch up my hair routine accordingly. I'll keep you updated.
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Moderate CG? No harsh sulfates, limited 'cones.
Poo: L'oreal Ever Sleek
Condish: GVP Conditioning Balm
Deep Condish: L'oreal Ever Pure
Styling products: Bumble & Bumble smoothing creme, Not Your Mother's Curl Creme, and Giovanni gel.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:41 PM   #31
 
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You may've already seen my previous mentions of this shampoo in other threads, but I thought I'd offer it as an alternative again just in case . . . The urea is a very helpful ingredient that isn't in most shampoos or scalp treatments.
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Hi I came across your post, and I've HAD similar issues with my scalp. I used everything for dandruffs under the sun. Then I read about Bentonite Clay and ACV. It's now 2 months in and I have no flakes. This last time I co- wash instead of making a mud, I made like a codishpoo. This is what I used :
1 1/2 tsp clay
1/4 cup ACV
Any Conditioner on hand, fill 1/2 way
Water till you have 1/4 full
Rest with shampoo
Shake well
This is in a bottle that has a tip and you can squeeze out to hair/scalp. With that I was able to get 2 poo's out of it. But I co-wash with the Pantene Co-wash first.
This Bentonite clay is the best ever I've used to rid the dry flakey scalp. So hopes this helps
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