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Old 06-14-2013, 11:45 PM   #1
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Angry Dry Scalp won't go away...running out of options!

Hey Curly Girls. I've posted about my dry scalp before and nothing has helped! Here's what I have tried:
-Hot Oil treatments
-Tea Tree Oil (the oil and the shampoo)
-Pure Moroccan Argan Oil
-Brown sugar scrubs
-Dandruff shampoos

I've had this problem for years but somehow I was able to keep it decent looking however, it is at its absolute worse. I was diagnosed recently with Lupus so I'm starting to believe that maybe that's the reason why. What other remedies or products do you recommend? I looked into the Shea Moisture African Soap shampoo/conditioner line, what are your opinions? I would prefer something budget friendly, moisturizing, and safe for color treated hair. Thank you!! I need your help!
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Do you get any relief from anything you've tried? A day or two? Do you eat a balanced diet?
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I have psoriasis - some on my scalp. I've heard good things about dead sea/mineral salt products. I've just brought some so unsure of the results yet....
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Hey Curly Girls. I've posted about my dry scalp before and nothing has helped! Here's what I have tried:
-Hot Oil treatments
-Tea Tree Oil (the oil and the shampoo)
-Pure Moroccan Argan Oil
-Brown sugar scrubs
-Dandruff shampoos

I've had this problem for years but somehow I was able to keep it decent looking however, it is at its absolute worse. I was diagnosed recently with Lupus so I'm starting to believe that maybe that's the reason why. What other remedies or products do you recommend? I looked into the Shea Moisture African Soap shampoo/conditioner line, what are your opinions? I would prefer something budget friendly, moisturizing, and safe for color treated hair. Thank you!! I need your help!
I am not familiar with lupus but I do have allergies to certain chemicals and preservatives that give me dry, itchy, rashy skin so I can relate. I am not a Dr and can only speak from experience with my own skin. You're best bet is to get the condition formally diagnosed.

That said, I know everything you've tried is what is reccomended here by other curlies but NONE of them will moisturize or heal itchy skin:

-Hot Oil treatments, Pure Moroccan Argan Oil:
Oils DO NOT provide moisture, they can only seal in moisture (water + emollients) that was previously applied. Some hot oils may be made from penetrating oils and protein and may help the hair but I'm not sure how this would translate to the scalp.

-Tea Tree Oil (the oil and the shampoo), peppermint, menthol, etc:
Some of these have antiseptic properties. All cause a tingling sensation that tricks/distracts the itch/pain receptors in your skin, this is a temporary result. All are known sensitizers and can lead to worse problems later (this was a lot of my issue).

-Brown sugar scrubs:
This is the same as scratching a bug bite, it damages the skins natural barrier and causes more damage and can also release more histamine to the area which causes more itching (if cause is allergic/inflammatory).

-Dandruff shampoos:
If you actually have dandruff this may help, however most dandruff poo's contain SLS and other harsh ingredients. If you don't have dandruff, it won't help and may make the issue worse.

Going CG with the right products should help; try a water-based cowash with emollient ingredients and few oils/butters, something with some protein may help too. I personally feel its best to avoid the mainstream, chemical laden products in favor of more natural brands. However, many 'natural' ingredients are sensitizers too and could cause dryness, itching.

Your best bet is to educate yourself:
Paulaschoice.com has an ingredient dictionary, Cosmetic Ingredient Dictionary A - Z: Cosmetics Cop Expert Advice, and lots of great articles on skincare. She is not CG but she knows about skin issues (and your scalp is skin), most of what I've detailed above I learned from reading through her site and it has absolutely helped my skin issues. There are many other ingredient websites if a specific ingredient isn't listed.
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Hey Curly Girls. I've posted about my dry scalp before and nothing has helped! Here's what I have tried:
-Hot Oil treatments
-Tea Tree Oil (the oil and the shampoo)
-Pure Moroccan Argan Oil
-Brown sugar scrubs
-Dandruff shampoos

I've had this problem for years but somehow I was able to keep it decent looking however, it is at its absolute worse. I was diagnosed recently with Lupus so I'm starting to believe that maybe that's the reason why. What other remedies or products do you recommend? I looked into the Shea Moisture African Soap shampoo/conditioner line, what are your opinions? I would prefer something budget friendly, moisturizing, and safe for color treated hair. Thank you!! I need your help!
What is the specific medical diagnosis for your scalp, is it definitely simple dry skin (xerosis)? You can do more harm than good self treating a self diagnosis, several of the home remedies you mention are completely wrong for xerosis and could easily worsen it, they are for seborrhoeic dermatitis (greasy dandruff). All are potentially irritating so could worsen one or more forms of dermatitis. Treating a primary dermatological diagnosis is not the same as treating the same issue as a symptom of another disorder.

I have a healthcare background so have a basic knowledge of many of the most common health problems, but know relatively little about lupus so I suspect most here have even less knowledge. I would suggest you head over to one of the lupus charity websites, speak to a dermatologist, rheumatologist, registered dietician or other appropriately qualified medical professional.
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Old 06-15-2013, 09:42 AM   #6
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I forgot to mention that my scalp isn't very itchy, just flakey. The flakes are scaley and white. With Lupus, skin rashes are common so I thought, possibly it would be related to this. I have a check-up with my rheumatologist next month so I will ask him and see what he says.

I have changed my diet since May because I was having a lot of GI issues so my rhuemie told me to change my diet. I have been drinking tons of water, eating fruits and veggies, and homemade foods vs fast food. So, I don't think my diet might be the issue.

In the meantime, do you suggest anything that could help eliminate the flakes or tame them? It's just really embarrassing. Also, I'm running low on product and want to buy something that will help.

Thank you for your responses! I will stop doing all of the things I have been trying as it won't benefit my scalp.
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Moderate CG? No harsh sulfates, limited 'cones.
Poo: L'oreal Ever Sleek
Condish: GVP Conditioning Balm
Deep Condish: L'oreal Ever Pure
Styling products: Bumble & Bumble smoothing creme, Not Your Mother's Curl Creme, and Giovanni gel.
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I forgot to mention that my scalp isn't very itchy, just flakey. The flakes are scaley and white. With Lupus, skin rashes are common so I thought, possibly it would be related to this. I have a check-up with my rheumatologist next month so I will ask him and see what he says.

I have changed my diet since May because I was having a lot of GI issues so my rhuemie told me to change my diet. I have been drinking tons of water, eating fruits and veggies, and homemade foods vs fast food. So, I don't think my diet might be the issue.

In the meantime, do you suggest anything that could help eliminate the flakes or tame them? It's just really embarrassing. Also, I'm running low on product and want to buy something that will help.

Thank you for your responses! I will stop doing all of the things I have been trying as it won't benefit my scalp.
If your scalp is just dry giving it more moisture may help. Are you CG? Do you cowash? What are you using now?

The SM black soap line contains Salicylic acid (like for acne), I'm not sure what black soap is/does, it will probably help with some scalp issues (depending on there cause) but it could also dry you out more.

Using a cowash with lots of emollients, some protein and few to no oils/butters may help eleviate the dryness if that's all it is. However if your scalp issues are a symptom of something else it will only be a temporary fix until the underlying cause is treated.
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Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
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We get very dry flaky scalps in my house in the winter - Yes To Carrots shampoo and conditioner helped a lot - there is a specific one for dry scalp. Would you be willing to post a list of all products you use on your hair on a daily basis?
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I forgot to mention that my scalp isn't very itchy, just flakey. The flakes are scaley and white. With Lupus, skin rashes are common so I thought, possibly it would be related to this. I have a check-up with my rheumatologist next month so I will ask him and see what he says.

I have changed my diet since May because I was having a lot of GI issues so my rhuemie told me to change my diet. I have been drinking tons of water, eating fruits and veggies, and homemade foods vs fast food. So, I don't think my diet might be the issue.

In the meantime, do you suggest anything that could help eliminate the flakes or tame them? It's just really embarrassing. Also, I'm running low on product and want to buy something that will help.

Thank you for your responses! I will stop doing all of the things I have been trying as it won't benefit my scalp.
It can take weeks or months for dietary deficiencies or imbalances to translate into improved health or skin depending how nutrient dense and varied your new diet is. You may well find you get improvements later down the line since the turnover of the epidermis is anything up to two months. It also takes time for the gut lining to heal, intestinal flora to rebalance and any issues with nutrient absorption to normalise. Obviously your immune system is fighting you at present, that could well slow down the time it takes to get a positive result unfortunately.

Bear in mind too that you may have worsened the issue by further damaging your skin barrier with some of your home remedies so set yourself back. Are you eating plenty of healthy fats especially omega-3s from oily fish, omega-enriched eggs and seeds like flax and chia now?

Without knowing the cause we cannot recommend an effective topical treatment, what is good for one scalp complaint can worsen another. A skin rash would suggest inflammation which makes sense in lupus, that is NOT the same as xerosis as you self diagnosed. The best I can suggest is be kind to your skin barrier, only use products at pH 4.5 to 5.5, gentle anti inflammatory type ingredients like aloe vera inner leaf gel. Otherwise e-mail or telephone your rheumatologist or make an appointment with your family doctor.
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Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
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Old 06-15-2013, 04:27 PM   #10
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Thanks for the prompt replies, ladies. I appreciate it! Currently, I've been using Dove Intensive Repair Shampoo & Conditioner along with their Whipped Cream Mousse. I don't have any issues with the rest of my hair. It's shiny, the curls are tamed, and it is really long. It's just the flakes that are getting in my way. I tried going CG two years ago and it did not work for me.

Unfortunately, I can't change my appointment to anytime sooner because my blood work needs to get done every three months and my appointment isn't until next month. I'm just hoping to at least find a temporary solution while I'm waiting. Also, I am definitely going to be much nicer to my hair!
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Moderate CG? No harsh sulfates, limited 'cones.
Poo: L'oreal Ever Sleek
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Deep Condish: L'oreal Ever Pure
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Thanks for the prompt replies, ladies. I appreciate it! Currently, I've been using Dove Intensive Repair Shampoo & Conditioner along with their Whipped Cream Mousse. I don't have any issues with the rest of my hair. It's shiny, the curls are tamed, and it is really long. It's just the flakes that are getting in my way. I tried going CG two years ago and it did not work for me.
Your scalp is skin, not hair. The shampoo you are using contains harsh surfactants, silicones and preservatives. The conditioner has only 1-2 emollient ingredients, the rest is cones and preservatives.

You don't have to cowash to be CG, switching to a gentle lowpoo and a condish with more emollients and fewer cones, oils and butters may help. My favorite lowpoo is DermOrganic, their condish is good too. It is available at Target and Ulta and I'm sure many other places. There are lots of other brands too, that is just one example.
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Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
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Preservatives and fragrances in hair care products are common allergens. At a glance - DMDM Hydantion is a preservative that is known to cause irritation for some people.
I suggest the Yes To Carrots Scalp relief products to see if that helps. Or another product without common allergens.
(When I tried CG before I tried cheap products and my scalp went crazy)
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Do you have any food allergies?
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Maybe you can try not putting the Dove conditioner on your scalp after you've shampooed if that is what you have been doing.

You can try treating your scalp with pure aloe vera juice. Maybe use it as a pre-poo. I mixed it with some oils once for a pre-poo and it worked wonders.

I second using a gentler shampoo.

Have you tried massaging your scalp with jojoba oil? Or just leaving it on overnight before you wash your hair?

How about washing your scalp/rinsing with an apple cider vinegar and water mix?

How about a bentonite clay mask for your scalp. Bentonite clay and aloe vera juice mixed together.

I hope something works.
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I would recommend using Shea Moisture black soap shampoo and conditioner, these products have always worked well for my SD. Also ACV/camomille tea scalp rinses helped my. After i do my scalp treatment i put peppermint oil and tea tree oil on my scalp. I also use eucalyptus as well. Good luck with you health and i hope this can benefit you in some way!

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Listerine works well for flaky scalp as well as sea breeze. Also take it back to the old days and try sulfur 8. Good luck.

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Thanks for the prompt replies, ladies. I appreciate it! Currently, I've been using Dove Intensive Repair Shampoo & Conditioner along with their Whipped Cream Mousse. I don't have any issues with the rest of my hair. It's shiny, the curls are tamed, and it is really long. It's just the flakes that are getting in my way. I tried going CG two years ago and it did not work for me.
Your scalp is skin, not hair. The shampoo you are using contains harsh surfactants, silicones and preservatives. The conditioner has only 1-2 emollient ingredients, the rest is cones and preservatives.

You don't have to cowash to be CG, switching to a gentle lowpoo and a condish with more emollients and fewer cones, oils and butters may help. My favorite lowpoo is DermOrganic, their condish is good too. It is available at Target and Ulta and I'm sure many other places. There are lots of other brands too, that is just one example.
I did some research on DermOrganic, it looks like I great product. I'm going to see if my local target has it and give it a shot. I'm more willing to try a lowpoo because I did not like going CG, I didn't feel as clean.
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Preservatives and fragrances in hair care products are common allergens. At a glance - DMDM Hydantion is a preservative that is known to cause irritation for some people.
I suggest the Yes To Carrots Scalp relief products to see if that helps. Or another product without common allergens.
(When I tried CG before I tried cheap products and my scalp went crazy)
I've heard a lot about Yes To Carrots and was tempted to buy it but I couldn't take the smell but, I will try the lowpoo that was recommended to me. And, yes, I do have food allergies. I'm allergic to tree nuts and I'm lactose intolerant.
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For the others who mentioned oils and such, I've tried all of those options and nothing has helped. The weird thing is that it rarely itches, it's just scaley flakes on my scalp.
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Poo: L'oreal Ever Sleek
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Deep Condish: L'oreal Ever Pure
Styling products: Bumble & Bumble smoothing creme, Not Your Mother's Curl Creme, and Giovanni gel.
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For the others who mentioned oils and such, I've tried all of those options and nothing has helped. The weird thing is that it rarely itches, it's just scaley flakes on my scalp.
Have you considered going to your family doctor yet? It really does not need to be a dermatologist. Most of the advice given on this thread could worsen one or more of the common scalp disorders. Pruritis is one possible symptom, many people with flaking do not have itching, it's not weird.
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