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Old 06-15-2013, 04:16 AM   #1
 
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Default Thoughts on these protein rich conditioners?

From my other thread, I think I may be over conditioned. I'm going to try a lighter weight conditioner that has protein.

My hair seems to love all protein.I was using PM Awapuhi Wild Ginger Keratin Cream Rinse daily and the Intensive Keratin Treatment weekly before CG. The Keratin Cream Rinse contains isododecane and isohexadecane. The Keratin Intensive contains isohedadecane, amodimethicone, dimethicone, and polysilicone-15. These are NOT CG, correct?

I'm thinking of trying one of the Nature's Gate codmitioners... Leaning towards the Nature`s Gate Jojoba Revitalizing Conditioner for Damaged Hair - NaturallyCurly.com or Nature`s Gate Organic Grapefruit + Wild Ginger Conditioner - NaturallyCurly.com.... Or maybe a ren pure one. Thoughts? I have joico k pak to cause weekly but would like something for every day.
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Natures Gate is a great company, however the ingredient list on nc.com may not be correct. I checked drugstore.com and iHerb.com and both your NG choices have glycerin. If your hair likes glycerin it should be fine, otherwise it may cause major frizz. The grapefruit one has a polyquat which may buildup similar to silicones, some curlies avoid those too.

The Renpure volumizing condish looks great (red bottle), I haven't tried any of these so I can't speak from experience but the ingredients look promising.

Mill Creek Botanicals has several protein containing CO's as well (iHerb.com or health food store). If you don't mind the prices Curl Junkie, Spiral Solutions and SheScentIt also have great PT's and protein RO's (online websites or CurlMart)
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I love, love, love Regis Design Line olive oil condish. I bought it at the Regis salon in my Walmart. $10 for 12 oz I think. It's my fave! I just ordered the shescentit okra and CJ repair me as well but haven't received them yet.
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Amino acids are not technically proteins, they are the building blocks for proteins and may be too small to adsorb to hair, just washing away. I suspect the panthenol will have more benefit than the amino acids. Interestingly there is also panthenol in your Paul Mitchell keratin treatment.
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:56 AM   #5
 
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@lynaea: I'm actually not sure if my hair likes glycerin. I do live in a dry climate and have read that it's best to avoid because its a humectant. Not sure if it means in stylers or rinse out products as well

@chloe92us: Ty! Ill look for the Regis one. Is it only n Walmart? I don't have one that close to me

@firefox7275: thanks! So for proteins I should basically look for "hydrolized" ones so they're small enough to absorb? Any recs for products with panthenol?
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Old 06-15-2013, 11:06 AM   #6
 
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Here's a salon finder for Regis- just type your zip code at the top.

Hair Styling, Cuts, Color & Other Salon Services - Regis Salons
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@lynaea: I'm actually not sure if my hair likes glycerin. I do live in a dry climate and have read that it's best to avoid because its a humectant. Not sure if it means in stylers or rinse out products as well

@chloe92us: Ty! Ill look for the Regis one. Is it only n Walmart? I don't have one that close to me

@firefox7275: thanks! So for proteins I should basically look for "hydrolized" ones so they're small enough to absorb? Any recs for products with panthenol?
Yes hydrolysed, some can absorb into the hair and some can stick to damaging, patching the surface. As I have said on WAY too many threads now I rate Komaza Care brand - they use panthenol, ceramides and protein in various products. Also newly liking Schwarzkopf Gliss (Kur) Ultimate Volume conditioner as a leave in which has protein with panthenol and is inexpensive here in Europe, believe it can be purchased elsewhere.
"Aqua, Cetearyl Alcohol, Hydrolyzed Collagen, Panthenol, Cocodimonium Hydroxypropyl Hydrolyzed Keratin, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Isopropyl Myristate, behonoyl PG-Trimonium Chloride, Citric Acid, VP/VA Coplymer, Phenoxyethanol, Behentrimonium Chloride, Sodium Methylparaben, Hexylene Glycol, Parfum, Polyquaternium-37, Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Hexyl Cinnamal, Amyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool, Benzyl Salicylate."
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I'm liking the same Schwarzkopf conditioner I use it as a PT once a week
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Glycerin should be fine in your rinse out, it's when you leave glycerin in that may cause frizz.

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I've had my eye on this for a while- it has hydrolised keratin & panthenol high on the list. It's also on sale (a lot of stuff is on this site now!) and there's a coupon code you can google.

Mill Creek, Keratin Conditioner, Repair Formula, 16 fl oz (473 ml) - iHerb.com
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I'm liking the same Schwarzkopf conditioner I use it as a PT once a week
Hmm, what a coincidence! Maybe because you were the lovely person who brought it to my attention? My hair was frizzy yesterday and horrific today, the Gliss didn't work well with the gel I used. Too much humectant and not enough sealing oils for my thirsty hair: shame because I had amazing curl when I stopped diffusing.
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Old 06-15-2013, 09:35 PM   #12
 
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I've been eyeing the MillCreek one too!

I've tried both the NG condishes. I like NG in general. The Jojoba one is thicker/ more moisturizing. It does have protein but it also has moisture so I'd say it's more protein/moisture balanced. If you're looking for a TON of protein I wouldn't say this one. To compare, the Millcreek one has keratin as the second ingredient.
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Old 06-16-2013, 05:42 AM   #13
 
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I've used the Mill Creek Keratin conditioner. It does have a nice hit of protein, but was not very moisturizing. Unlike the NG conditioners, it was not strongly fragranced.
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The NG Jojoba condish is fairly mildly fragranced. The Chamomile and the Jojoba ones are the mildest. It also depends on how sensitive you are. The NG Herbal condish though, my golly! That's one powerful smell!
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Has anyone tried the Mill Creek Biotin cond? It looks like it has a lot of good stuff in it and no glycerin.

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Deionized water, biotin, panthenol (provitamin B5), hydrolyzed keratin, hydrolyzed collagen, cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, dicetyldimonium chloride, oleamidopropyl dimethylamine, cetearyl alcohol, ceteareth-20, hydrolyzed glycosaminoglycans, retinyl palmitate (vitamin A), citric acid, corn oil, sodium chloride, quaternium-15, peppermint oil, *organic aloe vera gel, organic essential oil, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, botanical fragrance.
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Wow, the Biotin one does sound like a great protein condish! Very nice ingredients list, no bad stuff. Oh man, here comes my PJ.... and there goes my bank account.
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Wow, the Biotin one does sound like a great protein condish! Very nice ingredients list, no bad stuff. Oh man, here comes my PJ.... and there goes my bank account.
Its only 5.74 on iHerb and even less with the discount! Can't beat that!
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Has anyone tried the Mill Creek Biotin cond? It looks like it has a lot of good stuff in it and no glycerin.

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Deionized water, biotin, panthenol (provitamin B5), hydrolyzed keratin, hydrolyzed collagen, cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, dicetyldimonium chloride, oleamidopropyl dimethylamine, cetearyl alcohol, ceteareth-20, hydrolyzed glycosaminoglycans, retinyl palmitate (vitamin A), citric acid, corn oil, sodium chloride, quaternium-15, peppermint oil, *organic aloe vera gel, organic essential oil, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, botanical fragrance.
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I would be tempted by that if I could get it here. I wonder if hydrolysed glycosaminoglycans can be absorbed so acting as an internal humectant?
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Has anyone tried the Mill Creek Biotin cond? It looks like it has a lot of good stuff in it and no glycerin.

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Deionized water, biotin, panthenol (provitamin B5), hydrolyzed keratin, hydrolyzed collagen, cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, dicetyldimonium chloride, oleamidopropyl dimethylamine, cetearyl alcohol, ceteareth-20, hydrolyzed glycosaminoglycans, retinyl palmitate (vitamin A), citric acid, corn oil, sodium chloride, quaternium-15, peppermint oil, *organic aloe vera gel, organic essential oil, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, botanical fragrance.
*Certified Organic Ingredient by BCS Oko-Garantie
I would be tempted by that if I could get it here. I wonder if hydrolysed glycosaminoglycans can be absorbed so acting as an internal humectant?
What do you think about the shampoo? I think I see a sulfate...
Deionized water, biotin, hydrolyzed keratin, peppermint oil, hydrolyzed elastin, niacin, folic acid, panthenol (provitamin B5), *organic aloe vera gel, organic essential oil, jojoba oil, inositol, barley extract, sodium myreth sulfate, cocamidopropyl betaine (coconut oil), octyl dimethyl PABA, styrene/acrylates copolymer, citric acid, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, botanical fragrance.

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I haven't tried the MillCreek biotin but I've tried the henna and the keratin one and I like them. I'm not in love with them, they aren't quite thick enough. But I like using the keratin one as a base for a deep treatment.
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