Easy, no-fuss CG for my mom? Please help!

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Hi everyone! My mom has 2C/3A hair, but all her life it's looked like a big puff-ball. She brushes it dry, uses sulfates and has most of the time slicked and gelled it back into a ponytail, which has caused over time a noticeable receding hairline. I know she's never really liked her hair; she always complimented mine which had a much looser wave pattern. The subtext was always that I was lucky not to inherit her curly hair. I'm actually getting a little emotional while writing this. I think she is so beautiful! I really want her to love her hair! I really want this for her.

The problem is that she is and has always been a no-fuss person when it comes to hair, makeup etc. She works 10-12 hours a day, sometimes weekends and she definitely will not have the time nor patience nor energy to really read up a lot on things related to CG. CG can be very complicated, especially at first. I don't want to scare her off to the whole thing by bombarding her with info about surfactants, dew points and humectants, protein vs. moisture, etc etc...

Another thing to consider is her very sensitive skin. She is prone to rashes, SD, eczema and is allergic to a hoard of things, many of which she has not pinpointed down. Face creams have not been her friend over the years. In fact, the face cream that she uses today is the one she has used for years: the Vaseline Aloe lotion. It's one of the only ones, if not the only one that hasn't given her a negative reaction. It doesn't matter if the cream is expensive and "well-formulated" nor does it matter if whether it's "natural." I'm afraid that with her sensitivity, she would be very cautious to try new hair products as well. I think her skin and hair would improve right away if she cut sulfates, which I'm sure are exacerbating problems... but I don't know then what low-poos to recommend to her. I was thinking of making her a gift basket and hand-selecting some items, something simple like a low-poo, a conditioner, a leave-in and maybe a gel. I need your help though... I'm not really sure what I should get her.

Some more information:

Very dry hair
Her hair is medium width, feels much more coarse due to dryness
Medium density; she's lost some density after going through menopause
I'd say probably medium to high porosity
normal-low elasticity
She colors her grays at home
She lives in FL so hard water and very high dews in the summer
Very sensitive skin


If you have any thoughts please share! Thank you so much, I really want her to be happy.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Oh and I fished her face lotion that she uses; here are the ingredients:

Vaseline Total Moisture Aloe Fresh

Water, glycerin, stearic acid, glycol stearate, isopropyl palmitate, potrolatum, aloe barbadenis (aloe vera) leaf juice powder, dihdroxypropyltrimonium chloride, hydroxyethyl urea, dimethicone, glyceryl starate, cetyl alcohol, tapioca starch, carbomer, pfragrance, trithanolamine, staramide amp, dmdm hydantoin, idopropynyl butylcarbamate, disodium edta, titanium dioxide.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Since you've been CG for so long, you'll know what to teach her. Maybe give her a mini lesson or buy her the book. To keep things simple for her, I would just stress to her how bad brushing is, and find some easy updo ideas on YouTube so she can still wear her hair up, but not in tight ponytails. The spin pins from goody are well loved, and there are a lot of pull free hair ties now, you could teach her how to do a messy bun and stress that she should change position of the bun daily (high, low, side, etc) and that should help. The GVP conditioning balm is great for dry hair and she could do a weekly DT with that, adding maybe coconut oil, honey or aloe to it. Also headbands are awesome for low maintenance days. In Florida, I would suggest trying styling products without glycerin. There are a bunch in my sig.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Thank you! Those are all good ideas!
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
The first thing to do is raid her bathroom and confiscate as many products as possible containing sulphate surfactants including shower gel and face wash, they are a disaster for eczema/ dermatitis as well as colour treated/ damaged/ porous/ curly hair. Sulphates are found in aqueous cream, many box dyes and even toothpaste but there are box dyes without. I thought I was allergic to many skincare products, now believe my face washes/ shower gel/ shampoo were pre-sensitising me by damaging the skin barrier. My eczema healed within a week, no contact dermatitis/ allergies since I cut them sulphates of my life over two years ago despite trying many new products.
Aqueous Cream : National Eczema Society

Second thing is actually diet modification, work on an anti inflammatory, nutrient dense low glycaemic index diet. Plenty of oily fish, low sugar fruits, non starchy vegetables, mineral/ fibre rich foods (seeds, beans, lentils); cut out sugar and white refined carbs, reduce caffeine and muscle meats. This can strengthen the skin barrier (keeps water in and nasties out), balance hormones, calm inappropriate immune responses, reduce systemic inflammation, alter the amount and composition of the sebum (feeds the malassezia yeast in SD).

Nutrition is a VERY powerful treatment in asthma/ eczema/ hayfever and other mild allergies and it IS possible for a busy person to eat healthily, many of my clients have pressured jobs and some are single parents too. Tricks include purchasing a slow cooker/ crock pot and stick blender and making your own freezer meals in bulk, eating more canned foods like oily fish (mackerel, salmon, sardines/ pilchards), canned beans lentils or tomatoes, frozen fruits and veggies (no washing, chopping or waste).

Possible sulphate free shampoos for skin issues include Regenepure (for hair loss, contains ketoconazole which is used for SD) or Komaza Care Moja (pH 4.5, loads of skin friendly ingredients).
Best Hair Loss Treatments | Hair Growth Treatment | Treatment For Hair Growth
Products - Komaza Care
Would be worth also doing a chelating wash for the hard water, I think there are sachet type products that don't contain sulphates.

Beneficial ingredients for dry/ damaged/ porous/ colour treated hair include coconut oil, ceramides, panthenol and hydrolysed protein and these should all be suited to sensitive skin unless there is a specific protein allergy (eg wheat). Aloe vera inner leaf gel is another good one depending on the dew points, research proves it is anti inflammatory, collagen inducing and healing. I am a big fan of Komaza Care which use these ingredients and many of their products are pH 4.5 so respect the skin's protective acid mantle. Honey soaks can be beneficial but oils rich in oleic acid, stearic acid and palmitic acid are to be avoided in SD which eliminates many natural oils and butters.
Therapeutic and prophylactic effects of crude ... [Eur J Med Res. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

Agree with you that you should change one thing at a time, not introduce new ingredients until she has been sulphate free for some weeks and her skin barrier and acid mantle have had a chance to regenerate. I would look to use a single conditioner as a wash out, leave in, deep treatment (can add oil and/ or honey and/ or aloe to make it richer), maybe even styling agent since she is no fuss.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Hi Firefox, these are good suggestions.

Regarding health, she is actually very healthy. She eats fish most days, sometimes other lean protein like chicken, rarely any pork or beef. She also eats plenty of fruit and veg and takes supplements including fish oil. She does yoga, pilates and zumba 3-5 times a week. Her skin has just always been sensitive. Not every problem is linked with lifestyle.

I remember you mentioning in other threads something about a "base conditioner" without a bunch of additives. Where could I purchase something like that, or is that the Komaza care you're talking about?
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
I have skin allergies/sensitivities too, so I understand how difficult it can be.

Walgreens has this line:
Free & Clear*Shampoo | Walgreens
The shampoo has glycerin but the conditioner and gel don't, there is a hairspray too I think. That line doesn't have any protein and I think all curlies can benefit from some protein.
Sally's has Cure Care:
Cure Care - Cure Care Hair and Skin Conditioner 20 oz
Here are the ingredients: Water, Cetyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Bromide, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Citric Acid, methylchloroisothiazolinone, methylisothiazolinone.

I'm not sure I would get her a gel to start, if she's used to wash-n-gos that may be too complicated to start. She can probably get away with condish only styling and she may need something to seal.

I would definitely get her the book and a wide-toothed comb and just a few basic products to start. Some pretty clips or headbands might be a good thing too depending on her style.
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2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
Also, since you mentioned aloe, can you think of a shampoo or conditioner rich in aloe? It's in her face cream so I don't think she'd have an adverse reaction and I think it could be very beneficial for her skin. Could she use plain aloe vera gel then as a styler?
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Would be worth also doing a chelating wash for the hard water, I think there are sachet type products that don't contain sulphates.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Sally's has this Ion - Purifying Solutions - Ion Swimmer's Clarifying Treatment a few curlies have posted about it.

IngredientsToDieFor.com has several unfragranced conditioner bases.
http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/c...HAIR_CARE/c53/
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2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
Wow, y'all are awesome!!!!
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
In fact, the face cream that she uses today is the one she has used for years: the Vaseline Aloe lotion. It's one of the only ones, if not the only one that hasn't given her a negative reaction. It doesn't matter if the cream is expensive and "well-formulated" nor does it matter if whether it's "natural."
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Is she getting ANY shampoo on her face in the shower? Shampoo bubbles running down my arm and thoroughly rinsed afterwards were the trigger for my elbow patch of atopic eczema so clearly even tiny amounts of sulphates can cause problems in susceptible individuals. Once the skin barrier is damaged or thinned - even if that cannot be seen without a microscope as per the link in my previous post - the skin can be more sensitive. Facial skin is naturally thinner than much of the rest of the body anyway, also skin thins after menopause.

Many natural products are jam packed full of unnecessary plant extracts, and there are plenty of irritants, toxins, allergens and even poisons in nature. Natural is certainly not always better, personally I go with natural where it is backed by solid science. Plenty of pricey or 'well formulated' products contain the same irritating fragrances, preservatives and random extracts as cheap ones.


Oh and I fished her face lotion that she uses; here are the ingredients:

Vaseline Total Moisture Aloe Fresh

Water, glycerin, stearic acid, glycol stearate, isopropyl palmitate, petrolatum, aloe barbadenis (aloe vera) leaf juice powder, dihdroxypropyltrimonium chloride, hydroxyethyl urea, dimethicone, glyceryl starate, cetyl alcohol, tapioca starch, carbomer, fragrance, trithanolamine, staramide amp, dmdm hydantoin, idopropynyl butylcarbamate, disodium edta, titanium dioxide.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Possibly beneficial ingredients in atopic eczema or dry skin in red, barrier agents in blue. May simply be protecting the skin from something she applies afterwards OR from the next wash especially if she uses a sulphate surfactant or alkaline product like traditional soap.

To strengthen the skin's barrier function use the skin's own water based natural moisturising factors (urea, lactic acid, glycosaminoglycans, amino acids). Urea and lactic acid are also keratolytic so depending on the concentration can gently exfoliate as they hydrate. Combine these with the lipids found naturally in a healthy skin barrier (ceramides, cholesterol, stearic acid, palmitic acid). Since these are all natural to skin they should not cause any negative reactions in atopic eczema, but do not use stearic or palmitic on SD because they feed the malassezia yeast.

Sources of some of these 'moisturising' agents include medical grade lanolin, egg lecithin, aloe vera inner leaf gel, west African shea butter and cocoa butter. My skin (atopic eczema, contact dermatitis, easily dehydrated) absolutely adores anything containing lanolin especially combined with AV gel. Note that medical grade lanolin and standardised aloe vera inner leaf gel are considered hypoallergenic, the less well refined stuff is not.

One final thought is DIY - the owner of this store is a scientist by trade so her formulas are based on solid science as you can see by the links to published research. People rave about KinNiaNag serum, ingredients can help to strengthen the skin barrier so good in various skin disorders, are anti ageing, many are found in the body/ skin so again should not cause allergies at the right concentrations. As you mention Florida ...the store owner has also come up with formulas for sunscreens based on micronised zinc which is calming and healing unlike chemical sunscreen agents.
Kinetin DIY kit, SeaKinNiaNAG serum with SEA L'SILK $38.95
DIY Skin Care SEA Lab
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Also, since you mentioned aloe, can you think of a shampoo or conditioner rich in aloe? It's in her face cream so I don't think she'd have an adverse reaction and I think it could be very beneficial for her skin. Could she use plain aloe vera gel then as a styler?
Originally Posted by wavydaze
I know some curlies use FOTE aloe gel, that brand has a lot of preservatives and junk in it though.
I would start with something like this Aubrey Organics, Pure Aloe Vera, 4 fl oz (118 ml) - iHerb.com it has some preservatives but a short ingredient list. If aloe gel works for her she could switch to a less expensive brand. There are food grade pure aloe gels available but they have to be refrigerated.

I know there are a lot of aloe based conditioners, you might search at iHerb.com. It's gonna be hit or miss though with her sensitivities. Mill Creek Botanicals would be a good line to explore. Personally I would start her off with some very basic products, she can experiment with lines with more exotic ingredients if she decides to stick with it. The fewer ingredients there are in a product the less likely it is to cause problems and if it does cause issues its easier to determine (and start avoiding) the culprit.
2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
FireFox makes a good point about product transfer from one area to another. You could maybe use that to help persuade your Mom to lay off the sulfates. Hair care products do not only touch the hair, my arms and hands have 'told' me I need to switch hair and face products more than once because they react first and strongest.
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2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
Also, since you mentioned aloe, can you think of a shampoo or conditioner rich in aloe? It's in her face cream so I don't think she'd have an adverse reaction and I think it could be very beneficial for her skin. Could she use plain aloe vera gel then as a styler?
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Yes, she could definitely use aloe gel as a styler! Most of my favorite products are aloe-based (2nd or 3rd ingredient).

Aloe-rich shampoo & condish (I haven't tried these, but they are on my list!)

Kiss My Face, Whenever shampoo:
Aloe Barbadensis, Rosemarinus Officinalis (Rosemary Leaf Extract), Chamomilla Recutita (Chamomile) Flower Extract, Melissa Officinalis Leaf Extract (Lemon Balm), Urtica Dioca (Nettle) Leaf Extract, Olea Europaea (Olive) Leaf Extract, Calendula Officinalis Flower Extract (Marigold), Salvia Officinalis (Sage) Leaf Extract, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Flower Extract, Olefin Sulfonate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycerin, Sodium Chloride (Sea Salt), Caprylic Acid, Glycine, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Oil, Camellia Sinensis (Green Tea) Extract, Hydrolized Wheat Protein, Tocopheryl, Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime) Oil, Potassium Sorbate, Citric Acid

Kiss My Face, Whenever Conditioner:
Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis), Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender Flower Extract), Hibiscus Sabdariffa (Hibiscus Flower Extract), Cymbopogon Schoenanthus (Lemongrass Extract), Equisetum Arvense (Horsetail Extract), Rosa Canina (Rose Hips Extract), Citrus Medica Limonum (Lemon Extract), Rubus Idaeus (Red Raspberry Extract), Thymus Vulgaris (Thyme Leaf Extract), Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Glycerin, Stearalkonium Chloride, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba Oil), Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceteareth 20, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender Oil), Camellia Sinensis (Green Tea Extract), Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower Oil), Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Hydrolyzed Wheat Amino Acids, Tocopherol, Lecithin, Panthenol, Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime Oil), Caprylic Acid, Glycine, Cyamopsis Tetragonolobus (Guar Gum), Potassium Sorbate, Citric Acid

They both, obviously, have lots of botanicals, so if she has a lot of allergy stuff- these may not be the right products to experiment with though....
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
One more thing and then I'm gonna go read other threads, I promise

Paulaschoice.com has an ingredient dictionary that tells what an ingredient does and also its potential to cause sensitivity or irritation. It's skincare specific but a lot translates, definitely check it out while your product researching.

http://www.paulaschoice.com/cosmetic...nt-dictionary/
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2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
Hi Firefox, these are good suggestions.

Regarding health, she is actually very healthy. She eats fish most days, sometimes other lean protein like chicken, rarely any pork or beef. She also eats plenty of fruit and veg and takes supplements including fish oil. She does yoga, pilates and zumba 3-5 times a week. Her skin has just always been sensitive. Not every problem is linked with lifestyle.

I remember you mentioning in other threads something about a "base conditioner" without a bunch of additives. Where could I purchase something like that, or is that the Komaza care you're talking about?
Originally Posted by wavydaze
I don't doubt your mother has always had sensitive skin, atopic eczema and contact dermatitis have a genetic basis: that does not prove lifestyle choices do not play a role. For a start using sulphate surfactants and showering daily are lifestyle choices and are proven to be part of the problem in those with defective skin barriers. Showering can be an issue because 'wetting' the skin flushes out the natural moisturising factors, atopic skin is known to be predisposed to being low in urea. Using heating and air conditioning are also lifestyle issues that affect skin health, but I don't suppose I will persuade too many Floridians to quit showering and quit going anywhere that has air conditioning including their own car!!

I almost never see someone who claims to be healthy living eating a balanced nutrient dense wholefood diet - for example chicken breast is shockingly low in nutrients, it is organ meats like liver and spleen that are dense. If you were to eat enough chicken muscle meat to get a decent amount of nutrients you would be eating servings well above what is recommended (roughly 100-125g) so getting too much animal protein and/ or animal fat both of which are pro inflammatory in excess. Low carbers invariably don't eat enough nuts and seeds to get all the minerals and essential fatty acids they need, pescetarians invariably don't eat a variety of other nutrient dense seafood like molluscs.

Or people are sedentary, over exercise yet are under active (gym but don't actually hit minimum 10,00 steps daily), over emphasis certain forms of exercise rather than a balanced routine that encompasses all aspects of physical fitness, not switching up the routine regularly. Or not enough sleep, rest days or stress management which is an issue because intense/ frequent exercise, stress and sleep deprivation are all pro inflammatory! Or not appreciating that exercise massively increases the body's needs for all nutrients, double for a five times a week routine at a decent intensity. Lifestyle healthcare is a complex and broad field, the more I learn the more I realise how much I still have left to learn!

You would need to Google for a 'conditioner base' I am in the UK so am not familiar with your suppliers unfortunately. You may be able to source one based on aloe vera, I have seen one here and we don't have the choice you guys in the US have. Commercial conditioners rich in aloe include JASON and Aloe Pura but they do contain a lot of other ingredients IIRC. Komaza Care have an 'Aloe My Hair' line.

ETA you could also add aloe to a conditioner of your choice, it is possible to purchase dried stuff from ingredients suppliers.
http://www.lotioncrafter.com/aloe-ve...d-organic.html
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 06-15-2013 at 10:10 AM.
Is she getting ANY shampoo on her face in the shower? Shampoo bubbles running down my arm and thoroughly rinsed afterwards were the trigger for my elbow patch of atopic eczema so clearly even tiny amounts of sulphates can cause problems in susceptible individuals. Once the skin barrier is damaged or thinned - even if that cannot be seen without a microscope as per the link in my previous post - the skin can be more sensitive. Facial skin is naturally thinner than much of the rest of the body anyway, also skin thins after menopause.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I'm sure she's getting some bubbles on her face and I'm sure that's aggravating her skin. I completely believe that your atopic eczema cleared up after stopping sulfates! Sulfates and even harsh low-poos make my scalp itch.

Many natural products are jam packed full of unnecessary plant extracts, and there are plenty of irritants, toxins, allergens and even poisons in nature. Natural is certainly not always better, personally I go with natural where it is backed by solid science. Plenty of pricey or 'well formulated' products contain the same irritating fragrances, preservatives and random extracts as cheap ones.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Yes I know! I would love for her to try a lot of the products that I've tried like KCCC or KCKT which would probably work well for her hair, HOWEVER there are so many botanical ingredients that could cause problems for her. SheaMoisture might be good for her too but she's allergic to (eating) nuts and seeds so I'm not sure about the shea butter.

To strengthen the skin's barrier function use the skin's own water based natural moisturising factors (urea, lactic acid, glycosaminoglycans, amino acids). Urea and lactic acid are also keratolytic so depending on the concentration can gently exfoliate as they hydrate. Combine these with the lipids found naturally in a healthy skin barrier (ceramides, cholesterol, stearic acid, palmitic acid). Since these are all natural to skin they should not cause any negative reactions in atopic eczema, but do not use stearic or palmitic on SD because they feed the malassezia yeast.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I'll keep those ingredients in mind. Could you recommend some products?

Note that medical grade lanolin and standardised aloe vera inner leaf gel are considered hypoallergenic, the less well refined stuff is not.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Wait, I'm confused. I was thinking of getting her edible aloe vera gel to use as a styler thinking it might have less preservatives in it and lessen her potential allergic reactions. Are you saying to go with refined aloe gel?[/QUOTE]

One final thought is DIY - the owner of this store is a scientist by trade so her formulas are based on solid science as you can see by the links to published research. People rave about KinNiaNag serum, ingredients can help to strengthen the skin barrier so good in various skin disorders, are anti ageing, many are found in the body/ skin so again should not cause allergies at the right concentrations. As you mention Florida ...the store owner has also come up with formulas for sunscreens based on micronised zinc which is calming and healing unlike chemical sunscreen agents.
Kinetin DIY kit, SeaKinNiaNAG serum with SEA L'SILK $38.95
DIY Skin Care SEA Lab
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I'll keep this in mind. Thanks for sharing!
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2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
chloe92us, I've tried the Whenever shampoo and condish and it was a bit drying. I'm afraid about all the additives but thanks for the suggestion anyway.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
I'm sure she's getting some bubbles on her face and I'm sure that's aggravating her skin. I completely believe that your atopic eczema cleared up after stopping sulfates! Sulfates and even harsh low-poos make my scalp itch.

Yes I know! I would love for her to try a lot of the products that I've tried like KCCC or KCKT which would probably work well for her hair, HOWEVER there are so many botanical ingredients that could cause problems for her. SheaMoisture might be good for her too but she's allergic to (eating) nuts and seeds so I'm not sure about the shea butter.

I'll keep those ingredients in mind. Could you recommend some products?

Wait, I'm confused. I was thinking of getting her edible aloe vera gel to use as a styler thinking it might have less preservatives in it and lessen her potential allergic reactions. Are you saying to go with refined aloe gel?

I'll keep this in mind. Thanks for sharing!
Originally Posted by wavydaze
No problem, glad to help a daughter who cares and someone else with sensitive skin! Sulphate free was magic for me, I ended up switching toothpaste and hand wash too, more hydrated lips and cuticles now. My mother got at least a 50% reduction in her atopic eczema/ seborrhoeic dermatitis from going partially sulphate free (scalp and face).

Haircare
Edible aloe is usually aloe juice AFAIK and can often be whole leaf so may contain potential allergenic proteins. Standardised processing methods leave the beneficial glycosaminoglycans but remove the allergens. Of course the vast majority of people are not allergic to AV so your mother may well be fine, I just wanted to be clear. The reactions that are discussed in the literature are usually people drinking the stuff frequently or using from a whole plant.

Okra gel could be another styling option if she can eat okra without issue, tho that is possibly another DIY option since Botticelli Botanicals has gone. There was someone on the Wave Hair Community talking of selling some DIY stuff like flaxseed, but I don't know if she was going to offer okra gel.

Shea butter .... one study found no cross reactivity with tree nuts BUT there are allergic reactions, particularly to the unrefined stuff and use is not advised by the Shea Institute. Shea is a rich source of stearic acid which is not a good idea in seborrhoeic dermatitis and not absorbed by hair anyway. She is allergic to seeds as well as nuts? Eeep, how does she manage getting enough minerals and overall healthy fat intake?
http://www.latexallergyresources.org...Dec%202012.pdf
Frequently Asked Questions: - American Shea Butter Institute

This might have potential as it is CG friendly, panthenol and protein are nice ingredients for damaged hair, two common conditioning agents that she will likely have used before. No idea if they do samples or smaller sizes.
"Natural Conditioner Base Ingredients: Organic Aloe Juice, Cetearyl Alcohol, Castor Bean Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Pro-Vitamin B5"
White Sage Landing BULK Naturally Sourced Conditioner Base

Looks like the same product in smaller sizes, plus pH is listed at 3.5 to 4 which is great for hair
http://birchhillhappenings.net/Perso...ner-Silky.html

Skincare
For urea and lactic acid some of the Eucerin products are nice
"Water, Urea, Glycerin, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Cyclomethicone, Dimethicone, Pentaerythrityl Tetraisostearate, Triisostearin, Cetyl Alcohol, Sodium Lactate, Glyceryl Stearate, Benzyl Alcohol, PEG-40 Stearate, Biosaccharide Gum-1, Methylparaben, Lactic Acid, Lanolin Alcohol, Phenoxyethanol."
Eucerin Dry Skin Relief Face Cream 5 Urea 50ml - Boots
"Aqua, Glycerin, Urea, Cyclomethicone, Ethylhexyl Cocoate, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Helianthus Annuus, Isopropyl Stearate, Polyglyceryl-2 Dipolyhydroxystearate, Squalane, Sodium Lactate, Butyrospermum Parkii, Polyglyceryl-3 Diisostearate, Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Benzyl Alcohol, Magnesium Sulfate, Sodium Starch Octenylsuccinate, Lactic Acid, Methylparaben, Disodium EDTA, Ceramide 3, BHT."
Eucerin Dry Skin Replenishing Face Cream Night 5 Urea with Lactate 50ml - Boots

My skin is currently loving Weleda baby calendula face cream which contains lanolin, usually mixed with an aloe vera gel but there are nut and seed oils in the mix, does your mother avoid those? I have even used this after a superficial DIY lactic acid peel so basically a damaged skin barrier with no issues. UK link but you can get this in the US.
"Water, Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Alcohol, Glyceryl Stearate SE, Lanolin, Beeswax (Cera Alba), Calendula Officinalis Flower Extract, Xanthan Gum, Fragrance (Parfum)*, Limonene*, Linalool*, Geranoil*, Citral*. * from natural essential oils"
Calendula Face Cream 50ml at Weleda

For body there is CeraVe which I have never tried but is raved about on some skincare forums and is formulated to contain the correct balance of ceramides to cholesterol and saturated fatty acids.
Moisturizing Lotion - CeraVe
Moisturizing Cream - CeraVe
Balneum cream sold as Balneum Intensive in some countries (NOT the Balneum Plus which is a much older formula) has ceramides, urea, other lipids so similar to CeraVe I think. Can't find a full ingredients list sorry.

Triple Lanolin at Sallys
"WATER, ALOE VERA GEL, MINERAL OIL, SORBITOL, STEARIC ACID, LANOLIN, PROPYLENE GLYCOL, RIETHANOLAMINE, ISOPROPYL PALMITATE, CETYL ALCOHOL, IMIDAZOLIDNYL UREA, METHYLPARABEN, PROPYLPARABEN"
Triple Lanolin - Triple Lanolin Aloe Vera Lotion 20 oz.

Again not tried them but California Baby use lanolin and aloe vera
California Baby Natural & Organic Products Official Site
Another not tried and likely getting pretty pricey
Dr. Baumann South Africa

I suspect there will be ingredients you want to avoid in some of the above or products you cannot source hence the wide variety of choices.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

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