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Old 06-15-2013, 07:37 PM   #1
 
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Default Protein confused?!?!

So I thought I was protein sensitive for about 6 months and now with this weather change I think I need protein?

I have been protein free with CJ repair me about once every month and a half. Lately my curls have been blaaaahhhhhhhh. No curl pattern, surface frizz, and just dry. I upped moisture and nothing helped. Thought it was over moisturized because I conditioner only style so I used light conditioners and that didnt help. Last Saturday I used repair me and my curls were FABBBBBBBB! Spring, bouncy, and silky. The next day after co washing it was blah again! A couple days ago I used a dab of repair me with my rinse out and nothing happened. Today I did a full repair me and bam! Bouncy, silky, soft curls. Wtf?!

How much is too much to use
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Does it sound like I'm protein craving?
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Old 06-15-2013, 09:17 PM   #2
 
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Where do you live? Are the dews getting higher? If so that's probably why your hair is liking the protein more.

I've been up up upping the protein lately and it's doing amazing things for my hair as well!
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Old 06-16-2013, 07:32 AM   #3
 
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I live in Pittsburgh and l the dews have been high. Currently is 66
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Old 06-16-2013, 08:26 AM   #4
 
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Could you need a good low poo cleaning?
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Old 06-16-2013, 08:40 AM   #5
 
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Sounds like your hair is loving protein now! I just ordered he repair me, so don't have experience with it yet, but maybe look for some non-treatment conditioners with protein you can use daily or a couple x a week. Or you could purchase the neutral protein filler from Sally's and add to your current condish (mix in a travel size bottle though).
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Old 06-16-2013, 10:13 AM   #6
 
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This is a generalization but most of us start CG with pretty dried out, damaged hair that needs moisture. Most likely you finally got your hair healthy and moisturized and now it's true needs for protein-moisture balance are beginning to be more obvious.
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Old 06-16-2013, 01:34 PM   #7
 
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Thanks everyone. I'm going to start using a rinse out with protein in it and see if that does the trick.

Would needing a low poo cause this?
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:14 PM   #8
 
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All this protein sensitive and protein craving stuff is artificial pigeonholing, More likely we are all on a spectrum of liking more or less protein just like we all get on well with more or less oils/ richer or lighter conditioners/ heavier or lighter application of styling products.
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Old 06-16-2013, 04:58 PM   #9
 
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😳 Okay then
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All this protein sensitive and protein craving stuff is artificial pigeonholing, More likely we are all on a spectrum of liking more or less protein just like we all get on well with more or less oils/ richer or lighter conditioners/ heavier or lighter application of styling products.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what protein sensitive and protein craving mean though. I'm protein sensitive, but I still use products with certain kinds and amount of protein in it. I'm just on the lower end of the needing it spectrum. People who are protein craving are on the higher end, so I'm not even sure what you're saying.
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I'm pretty sure that's exactly what protein sensitive and protein craving mean though. I'm protein sensitive, but I still use products with certain kinds and amount of protein in it. I'm just on the lower end of the needing it spectrum. People who are protein craving are on the higher end, so I'm not even sure what you're saying.
Apologies I don't seem to be explaining myself at all well this week! I know what the words sensitive and craving mean and they are relatively extreme terms, that is not the spectrum I believe we are on. What about people in the middle, are they protein sensitive or craving, where is the dividing line? Maybe we need another category - 'protein balanced' or suchlike - I suspect many of us would be in that category, successfully using proteins in moderation or balanced with conditioning.

Porosity, for example, has three levels which acknowledge a spectrum so it makes sense to lay claim to "moderate to high" or "moderate to low". By contrast it makes no sense to refer to oneself as being "protein sensitive to craving" because the two options are opposites. Amount is crucial in many other ingredients, we don't apply five tablespoons (sic) of an oil or pomade and then complain our hair is 'oil sensitive' because it looks horrifically greasy. We seem to have a much more 'black and white' attitude to proteins and glycerin.

Hope that makes more sense, considering it's 3.30am here!
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:27 AM   #12
 
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I do understand what you're saying. The terminology used here around protein represents a more black and white view rather than the continuum that is used around other things.

I think it can confuse newbies, myself included, The first reading of it makes it sound almost like an allergic reaction. I might be sensitive to protein, so I'm scared to try it, where the truth is that with my coarser hair it might not make sense to try a full-blown PT to start, but adding a little protein filler in and seeing how my hair reacts shouldn't be a problem.
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:09 AM   #13
 
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I do understand what you're saying. The terminology used here around protein represents a more black and white view rather than the continuum that is used around other things.

I think it can confuse newbies, myself included, The first reading of it makes it sound almost like an allergic reaction. I might be sensitive to protein, so I'm scared to try it, where the truth is that with my coarser hair it might not make sense to try a full-blown PT to start, but adding a little protein filler in a seeing how my hair reacts shouldn't be a problem.
YES! Exactly this. Just because your hair doesn't need as much protein as mine does doesn't mean you're sensitive and I'm craving. Just that you need low amounts of protein and I need high amounts. The terminology is definitely a problem, it absolutely makes newbies afraid of protein. It would help if protein wasn't presented as 'do a PT or nothing', we don't only get moisture from DT's. I have recommended several newbies to buy a RO with protein to try first or to do a short PT to see how their hair reacts. Protein should be treated just like moisture, used based on how your hair feels and acts.
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:05 PM   #14
 
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And that's exactly why I posted this. I thought you were either sensitive or craving. I was so confused "but my hair hates protein! Why is it bouncy after using it"

Also still wondering...does protein change with dew points like moisture?
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:39 PM   #15
 
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Well I think when the dews are high your hair has more access to moisture (especially if you're high-po) so you need more protein to achieve the moisture-protein balance.
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Styler: FSG with CNPF, CJ Pattern Pusha, Volumax Mega, Ouidad Climate Control*, Ogx BKT serum*
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Old 06-18-2013, 04:31 AM   #16
 
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Also still wondering...does protein change with dew points like moisture?
I think the simple answer is yes. The amount of moisture (water) in the air is going to effect the relative amounts of moisture AND protein your hair needs.
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Old 06-18-2013, 05:03 AM   #17
 
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Here's an OLD thread that might be interesting Yes, You Do Need Protein
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:25 PM   #18
 
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Thanks curlies!! I'm slowly introducing protein back into my regime.
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