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Old 06-19-2013, 10:14 AM   #21
 
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I used to use it mixed with my RO, it was lovely... hmmm I should do this again. It gave my waves more bounce and shine. You can use it to DT, mix it with your RO, add a little to your FSG or another styling product, do a honey rinse. Some people lighten their hair with it as mentioned. And honey can even be used to treat seborrheic dermatitis!

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Again about the lightening effect of honey:
If I heat the content of a honey bottle one time (the entire bottle at once), is it correct to assume that I do not have to reheat honey until that bottle is finished?

Are there in fact reasons why you shouldn't heat the whole bottle of honey at once? (I assume there are, because otherwise every curly using honey in their hair would do that, right?)
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Again about the lightening effect of honey:
If I heat the content of a honey bottle one time (the entire bottle at once), is it correct to assume that I do not have to reheat honey until that bottle is finished?

Are there in fact reasons why you shouldn't heat the whole bottle of honey at once? (I assume there are, because otherwise every curly using honey in their hair would do that, right?)
You could heat the whole thing, it won't go bad afterwards since sugar is a natural preservative. My concern would be getting an even temperature throughout without it overboiling or exploding, hot sugar water will give you a serious burn. Maybe someone has tho, you could run an advanced search on the Long Hair Community, they use honey a lot as part of SMT deep conditions.
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I was thinking about putting it in a microwave bowl and putting it in the microwave for like a minute or so?
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:28 PM   #25
 
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I love to add honey to my RO conditioner or DT. It gives me great shine and a light, frizfree hold.

But I like it ONLY if the dewpoints are moderate. If the dewpoints are high (lets say, 60 or higher) my hair will be a disaster with honey.
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I asked over at LHC a while ago how long to microwave honey and was told a minute. This really means that you have to microwave a decent amount at one time, because if you try it with just a tablespoon it'll burn (ask me how I know, lol). I suppose with a small amount you really don't have to microwave as long, but since I have dark hair and didn't want it lightened I was too chicken to try less than a minute. I do at least 1/4 cup at a time.
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I was thinking about putting it in a microwave bowl and putting it in the microwave for like a minute or so?
I don't see why there would be a specific time, more of a specific (even) temperature. Proteins denature fast in the wrong conditions, be that temperature or pH. If you purchase a refined/ processed honey you won't need to heat.

"The honey bees keep the temperature of their brood nest at just under 100 degrees. Many figure that honey should not be raised above this temperature to preserve many of its good qualities. If honey is heated above that, there is disagreement on what the temperature is at which the helpful enzymes are damaged. It is likely in the 120 to 140 range.

Honey distributed by large distributors and sold in larger stores is usually heated to 180 degrees. This is to dissolve even the smallest crystals that might act as "seeds" that promote crystallization. Although crystallization does not harm the honey in any way, it is considered less desirable (in the US but not necessarily abroad). The enzymes that are not visible are sacrificed for the sake of "good" looks.
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As I said, I was told to heat it for a minute (by Ktani), but going over to her blog and reading up on honey lightening, it seems the peroxide is also degraded by the sun's heat and blow drying, so a minute in the microwave seems excessive. The level of peroxide also seems to vary according to the type of honey. Ktani's Hair Sense: Part 4 of 4 on Innovative Approaches to Hair Care: Honey Lightening

If you're concerned at all, you can always try using molasses instead. I've made some good DTs with molasses, banana baby food, and conditioner.
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As I said, I was told to heat it for a minute (by Ktani), but going over to her blog and reading up on honey lightening, it seems the peroxide is also degraded by the sun's heat and blow drying, so a minute in the microwave seems excessive. The level of peroxide also seems to vary according to the type of honey. Ktani's Hair Sense: Part 4 of 4 on Innovative Approaches to Hair Care: Honey Lightening

If you're concerned at all, you can always try using molasses instead. I've made some good DTs with molasses, banana baby food, and conditioner.
I have used a sugar syrup for my deep treats with some success too, just happened to be what was in the house the first time!

As I understand it (and I am a tad hazy on this) the microwave is not destroying the peroxide it is destroying the enzymes that are capable of producing peroxide once additional water is added. I don't think a peroxide value is the same as a peroxide level or concentration, I think it's basically the potential which I assume relates to the enzyme levels.

Whilst I have respect for Ktani's innovative approach, I can't deal with her site or many of her posts. She mixes legitimate scientific links with pseudoscience and hearsay, yet reports them all with equal merit so I find it virtually impossible to tell fact from fiction.

Glad you posted this actually, it's made me realise why some people's honey-water 'shampoo' or 'rinse' mixes go off when made in advance and other do not (partly also the level of dilution and hygiene obviously).
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As I said, I was told to heat it for a minute (by Ktani), but going over to her blog and reading up on honey lightening, it seems the peroxide is also degraded by the sun's heat and blow drying, so a minute in the microwave seems excessive. The level of peroxide also seems to vary according to the type of honey. Ktani's Hair Sense: Part 4 of 4 on Innovative Approaches to Hair Care: Honey Lightening

If you're concerned at all, you can always try using molasses instead. I've made some good DTs with molasses, banana baby food, and conditioner.
I have used a sugar syrup for my deep treats with some success too, just happened to be what was in the house the first time!

As I understand it (and I am a tad hazy on this) the microwave is not destroying the peroxide it is destroying the enzymes that are capable of producing peroxide once additional water is added. I don't think a peroxide value is the same as a peroxide level or concentration, I think it's basically the potential which I assume relates to the enzyme levels.

Whilst I have respect for Ktani's innovative approach, I can't deal with her site or many of her posts. She mixes legitimate scientific links with pseudoscience and hearsay, yet reports them all with equal merit so I find it virtually impossible to tell fact from fiction.

Glad you posted this actually, it's made me realise why some people's honey-water 'shampoo' or 'rinse' mixes go off when made in advance and other do not (partly also the level of dilution and hygiene obviously).
I've also heard corn syrup works well in a DT, but never tried that one.

Yes, I think you're right about the enzymes. I was using "degrade" in a fuzzy layman sort of way, lol.

Ummm...I'm actually not a Ktani fan. I've experimented with several things she's big on, and they've all been fails, but what I'm most down on is her insinuation that people are doing something wrong if they try something she recommends and it doesn't work. I've seen that on a number of occasions (not necessarily to me), and I found it very unpleasant. I mostly linked the blog because it sort of encapsulates a lot of what you might find in the various LHC threads on honey (and includes links to some of them as well).
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