Hate Gels,Mouses, plopping/diffusing

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So I notice that Almost all of curlies and wavies use gels and mouses and plop or diffuse to dry. My hair HATES all of these! Gel makes it dry and limp, mouse streches my waves in the most awkward way, plopping flattens my hair to my scalp, and diffusing makes it a dry and frizzy mess!
How could my hair dislike ALL of these techniques\products!? So weird! Anyone else in the same boat or is my hair just wicked unique!?
Mine's much the same. It's too fine for gel and mousse and diffusing makes it a fluffy mess - diffusing WITH gel on makes it a HUGE stiff frizzy mess. And plopping just bends bits into odd shapes.

I blow dry very lightly and briefly with a tiny hot brush that has almost no air flow and use conditioner only styling or curl cream ( Pink Boots, I'm in the UK) or Moroccan Oil (which is the best, but has silicones).

I also got great results from KY gel - seriously! There's loads of threads on it on here, it's just a version of Curl Keeper really. But it makes my second day hair sticky, and is supposed to pull the colour from dyed hair, so I tend to use the Moroccan Oil now.
Yeah my hair is soooo fine! Its wet right now and it looks like I'm balding! But I have dark blonde hair so it's light colored and fine...which sucks.... But when it's dry it looks like I have thick hair.
I have been mixing Garnier smoothing milk, Pantene Bb cream and a spray of L'oreal Sea salt spray in my hand and raking and scrunching it thru really wet hair. Then I pump and scrunch ( without any gel or mouse) scrunch with a tshirt, then I part and do a twist and twirl to any pieces that look un-defined.
After I use mini butterfly clips to clip my roots for volume and let it air dry.
Air drying is like the ONLY way to dry my hair! I scrunch as much as I can with a tshirt to get rid of water and speed up the processes. I'm cool with not using gel or mouse but the whole air dry thing is not convenient in the winter when the air is dry and 10 degrees lol.Hate Gels,Mouses, plopping/diffusing-imageuploadedbycurltalk1371467029.769219.jpg
That's the end result with my routine of no heat, gel or mouse. Hate Gels,Mouses, plopping/diffusing-imageuploadedbycurltalk1371467147.109675.jpg
This is mouse and defusing ! So frizzy !
So I notice that Almost all of curlies and wavies use gels and mouses and plop or diffuse to dry. My hair HATES all of these! Gel makes it dry and limp, mouse streches my waves in the most awkward way, plopping flattens my hair to my scalp, and diffusing makes it a dry and frizzy mess!
How could my hair dislike ALL of these techniques\products!? So weird! Anyone else in the same boat or is my hair just wicked unique!?
Originally Posted by Purplecurls17
Either you are not using the right products or not the right amounts or not the right application techniques, if your hair is drying out from gel and diffusing I'd suggest your overall routine is not moisturising/ conditioning enough, or not the right balance of moisturising/ conditioning agents with other ingredients like occlusives/ sealants or proteins. Humectants might be good, it does not follow that more is better.

Plenty of Curly Girls conditioner only style, plenty more scrunch out the water with a soft towel instead of plopping, indeed they do in the Deva salon, plenty of us air dry. I talk about gel and diffusing but I mostly do that for social gatherings or interviews, the rest of the time I conditioner only style and air dry - CG is not all or nothing.

CG is somewhat complicated because all your techniques and all your products work together/ affect one another, start out with your hair properties and dew points, choose products based on ingredients and how they will work together, then experiment. Many people are selecting products with so many ingredients that honestly they cannot possibly know for sure if glycerin/ aloe vera/ protein/ shea butter/ the pH of the products is the problem. Sometimes it's good to go back to basics, adding in one ingredient or technique at a time.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Yeah my hair is soooo fine! Its wet right now and it looks like I'm balding! But I have dark blonde hair so it's light colored and fine...which sucks.... But when it's dry it looks like I have thick hair.
I have been mixing Garnier smoothing milk, Pantene Bb cream and a spray of L'oreal Sea salt spray in my hand and raking and scrunching it thru really wet hair. Then I pump and scrunch ( without any gel or mouse) scrunch with a tshirt, then I part and do a twist and twirl to any pieces that look un-defined.
After I use mini butterfly clips to clip my roots for volume and let it air dry.
Air drying is like the ONLY way to dry my hair! I scrunch as much as I can with a tshirt to get rid of water and speed up the processes. I'm cool with not using gel or mouse but the whole air dry thing is not convenient in the winter when the air is dry and 10 degrees lol.Attachment 36462
That's the end result with my routine of no heat, gel or mouse. Attachment 36463
This is mouse and defusing ! So frizzy !
Originally Posted by Purplecurls17
So you are not CG at all, you are using silicones and shampoo? CG was designed as a system, silicone heavy products are not part of that. By all means use them, but that may have a knock on effect on how other techniques or products work for you. How do you get on with okra gel or flaxseed gel, with xanthan gum if you need more hold? Some fine hairs do really well with those.

Silicones give me either limp hair or failure to clump/ lack of definition or both, I'd need too offset those side effects with curl boosters (sea salt, magnesium sulphate) but that would then dry out my hair. I would not be able to resolve that due to the shampoo and silicones so ultimately back to the exact same vicious circle I was stuck in before CG.

Some thoughts
- first photo looks really pretty
- sea salt is drying and can cause frizz or lack of definition if overused
- don't try to scrunch out as much water as possible, taking out too much water or losing product can cause frizz and lack of definition
- doing a part can be a problem with many, contributing to flat roots or frizz. Some find it better if they part dripping hair in the shower before applying products
- ditto raking can break up curl, maybe worse combined with making a part?

I noticed a positive change switching from plopping with a microfibre towel to squeezing gently with a flour sack towel - curl shape, not having hair squashed to scalp and frizz. I'm fairly sure I was simply losing too much water before. Fine (like yours) or porous (like mine) is prone to that. My worst area for definition - the back underlayer - I barely take any water out and sometimes add some back, again it dries too fast either from plopping or from simply dripping when my head is upside down.

Sometimes I modified plop in a shower cap, that doesn't take any water out but supports the curl, lets some of the excess water come to the ends of the hair before I scrunch it out. Still practicing with that technique tho!
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I am not CG. I tried it for about 4-6 months. I got my hair cut and clarified to remove the cones. It was a horrific experience! I loathed every moment of CG! My hair was dry, full and frizzy...while my scalp was full of buildup. I cowshed exclusively with light conditioners that contained no silicones. All my products were silicone and sulphate free. I low-pooed once a week to try to remove buildup.
Eventually I went back to using silicones and sulphate pooing once a week or once every two weeks. Only my leave ins have silicones. I wash with L'oreal cleansing conditioner and use TN as my rinse out. My current routine as I described above is working beautifully! I just wish I could cut down drying time. My hair just takes FOREVER to dry
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I also have the annoying fine hair and have found some things that have really helped. I do a modified version of super soaker, most important is the part with the fine tooth comb, this helps prevent me from getting those thick clumps that show scalp, after I comb, I clip (using Deva clips because they are the only clips that stay in my fine hair), then I wet my hair (wetting part of super soaker) here is where I modify it because I don't want such huge clumps, I use a lot less water, just enough to get hair wet and firm some smaller/medium size clumps.

Then I put in a small amount of holding gel, just enough to hold the wave, I found that I if I use too much my hair gets heavy & weighed down.
Then I do the modified plop described above with the shower cap. I like the shower cap because I can get the effect of plopping without having my hair stick to my head. I only keep it on long enough to do my makeup, then diffuse (pixie method) only till about 80% dry, giving cold shots at the last 30 seconds. Sometimes Smasters method with some more gel if I see frizz starting.

Overall, flaxseed gel has helped the most with frizz. I really notice a difference on the days I skip. Flaxseed gel is really light and more for curl enhancing, not hold, so you can use ALOT without worries of weighing your hair down. I really use this more like I would a leave in and apply (with a curl cream) mostly before I do my combing in SuperSoaker, then apply more after right before my other gel. My hair just drinks this up & I can't ever really use too much Flaxseed gel. I still top with a tad bit of a different gel for hold (this I the one I go light on).
Fine/Thin hair (low density)
Normal porosity
Normal Elasticity

Techniques: Modified Super Soaker, plopping, pixe diffusing, clipping

Low poo: Acure, Y2Cukes
Co Wash: SNRS, Suave Tropical Coconut
RO: Y2C
Style: FSG (HG!!!!), with HETT & BRHG or Devacurl Ultra light defining Gel
PT: IAGirls Gelatin
DT: GVP CB mixed with Coconut oil, Olive Oil, Agave (or honey).

Favorite Styling tools: Devafuser, Deva clips & Flour Sack Towels
I don't like plopping, I find it really tangles my hair and I also end up with what I call wierdos and straights - hair that just doesn't really fit with my other curls. I do what I call a light turban - I use a t-shirt and with my head upside down I kind of wrap it lightly around my head and hair and then flip upright and fold it over my head. I stay like that for about 10 minutes and then take it out and scrunch with the t-shirt. The scrunching really helps to cut down on dry time, about an hour less for the ends.
Type 2B - 3A
Med-High Porosity (partial highlights), medium & corse mixed textures

CG Day 1: May 16, 2013

Poo: CJ Daily Fix Cleansing Condish (as needed)
CO: Tresemme Naturals Vibrantly Smooth Condish
RO&LI: CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil Daily Hair Condish
Styling: CJ Pattern Pusha or FSG, TRESemme Flawless Curls - Bouncy Curls Defining Gel, Giovanni LANaturals HardHold Gel (canopy only)
DT: CJ Curl Rehab, Coconut oil, SS Repairing PT

Techniques: Scrunch-n-pump, tshirt wrap
I am not CG. I tried it for about 4-6 months. I got my hair cut and clarified to remove the cones. It was a horrific experience! I loathed every moment of CG! My hair was dry, full and frizzy...while my scalp was full of buildup. I cowshed exclusively with light conditioners that contained no silicones. All my products were silicone and sulphate free. I low-pooed once a week to try to remove buildup.
Eventually I went back to using silicones and sulphate pooing once a week or once every two weeks. Only my leave ins have silicones. I wash with L'oreal cleansing conditioner and use TN as my rinse out. My current routine as I described above is working beautifully! I just wish I could cut down drying time. My hair just takes FOREVER to dry
Originally Posted by Purplecurls17
You don't have to co-wash to be Curly Girl, sulphate free shampoos are included within the book/ method. Sulphate free shampoos often do suit those with scalp disorders or fine hair better. Not saying you have to retry if you are happy with your routine, just that you may have misunderstood how strict you need to be and ended up 'all or nothing'.

I had a much shorter drying time when I was using a protein rich conditioner instead of one including oils (you're equiv is silicones) recently, but the trade off absolutely is frizz in certain dew points or with the diffuser, they didn't seem to play well with humectants as my oils do. A way round that might be more product but using a hood dryer or bonnet dryer, or coconut oil soaks if you have porous hair.

Tonya McKay wrote an article for NC on ingredients that help cut drying time, not sure if you've seen it CurlChemist: Hair Drying Time
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

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