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Sugar Plum Fairy 01-20-2004 09:50 AM

Is my hair over-conditioned?
 
Ok- I need you advice. Obviously this is difficult if you can't actually see my hair, but I'll describe it.

I's virgin hair - never coloured, straightened, chemically processed etc. I do use an ionic hair dryer diffuser. When I was much younger it was straight, then it went bushy then curly. Since it went bushy, it's been majorly frizzy (every hairdresser I've been to say they've never seen anything like it :oops: ). It's sort of fluffy, and I've never managed to control it. The best I get is if I use a petrolatum-based product (some sort of hair texturising wax/gum) and wear it in a pony tail. This is what I do most days.

I tried CG routine. It didn't work. However, when I shampoo my hair is still frizzy and it looks damaged, although I don't see how it can be. I deep condition once every one or two weeks. I use a leave-in conditioner every day and I condition regularly every day. My hair is 2b/3a.

What do you think- is it over or under conditioned? :?:

cyndi 01-20-2004 09:55 AM

It's hard to know, but I chose underconditioned. I'm thinking the wax may by coating your hair and not allowing the moisture in.

RunnerGirl_Cristina 01-20-2004 09:57 AM

i'm no expert but it sounds to me like it's over conditioned. you probably don't need the deep condish if you're conditioning everyday and also using a leave-in condish. but since we don't have the same hair i don't know what else to tell ya. :(

ETA: oooh didn't think of that cyndi...good point!

Sugar Plum Fairy 01-20-2004 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cyndi
It's hard to know, but I chose underconditioned. I'm thinking the wax may by coating your hair and not allowing the moisture in.

Very good point- I hadn't thought of that. It's a pain to use, and smells funny, but the thing is nothing else works. :fuming:fuming.gif (well, even that doesn't work very well!). Anyway, thanks for that point of view. :D

Twirly Girl 01-21-2004 04:48 AM

Hey Sugarplum

Using a wax based product doesn't sound as if it's the best thing for your hair and wearing a ponytail everyday prob isn't doing much good either. I used to wear my hair in a french pleat ALL the time when I was at college and it snagged my hair a lot.

I'd suggest trying out a mousse or cream based product. Have you tried (the infamous) Boots Essentials Curl Cream? If not then defo give it a go, loads of us UK curlies use it and it ace! I also occasionally use Citre Shine Wound Up Mousse which is really nice as well, it gives nice bouncy curls without being crunchy.

Then maybe you should experiment with new shampoo's and conditioners? At the moment I use the Charles Worthington Q&A Moisture Solution Leave in Conditioner maybe three times a week and am trying the Boots Essentials Shampoo for dry hair (I use it about twice a week).

Oh, and this morning I tried out sachets of Charles Worthington Q&A Double Dose Rapid Rehydration Shampoo and Moisture Rush Conditioner. They've left my hair super soft, and noticably less frizzy when there's no product in there. Perhaps you could give them a go as you get a set of sachets (inc frizz fix serum) for about 1.

Good luck, let me know how your experimenting goes. I can recommend loads of other products as well if you want any more help - I seem to have been through the whole of Boots in my quest to find the right products for my hair! :D

Sugar Plum Fairy 01-21-2004 09:34 AM

Hey Twirly Girl. :D I seem to be the only curly for whom the boots curling cream doesn't work! Lol. My hair's just in too bad shape. I have heard charlse worthington products aren't that great- but maybe I'll give them a go. Thanks for the tips. 8)

NetG 01-21-2004 11:10 AM

I don't think it's either under or over conditioning. I think it's product buildup!

Sounds to me like your shampoo's not enough to get out the wax buildup. Since I gave up on trying CG and have been using Jessicurl cleanser, my hair is totally un-frizzy, and I think it's because the small doses of cones and proteins my hair was getting were making it frizz.

Twirly Girl 01-22-2004 02:53 AM

Awww Sugar Plum that sucks. I'm sure Boots will stock something that DOES work though! What products are you using at the moment...?

I agree about the old Charles Worthington range being a bit pants but the new Q&A FRIZZ range seems to be really good, especially for this time of year.

You should defo change the shampoo and condish your using to more moisturising products and then just find a better curl defining/holding product. Like I said, try some mousse or a gel like Curl Friends Scrunching Jelly, Fudge Skrewd or the Citre Shine curl enhancer jelly. Wax can just be too heavy for curly hair and it ends up making it greasy and limp whilst not actually doing much for your curls. When I was at school, other than having some of the worst hair IMAGINABLE (curly mullet anyone?) I used a coconut wax on my hair and it was...well, minging! Makes me shudder just thinking about it and I have real trouble with anything coconut scented now!

Hang in there! :D

Sugar Plum Fairy 01-22-2004 12:32 PM

NetG- so d'ya think a stronger shampoo would be worth a try? Like, if I tried one directed at greasy hair? You may be onto something here!

Twirly- where do you get the Fudge Skrewd? Is it a gel, cream, mousse...? Thanks for all your recommendations by the way, they're very useful! :D

NetG 01-22-2004 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar Plum Fairy
NetG- so d'ya think a stronger shampoo would be worth a try? Like, if I tried one directed at greasy hair? You may be onto something here!

Twirly- where do you get the Fudge Skrewd? Is it a gel, cream, mousse...? Thanks for all your recommendations by the way, they're very useful! :D

Probably not one for greasy hair, but some sort of clarifier. There's lots of advice here about good clarifiers, though my buildup comes out just from Jessicurl so I don't need anything more harsh.

Good luck!

Twirly Girl 01-26-2004 02:33 AM

Hi SugarPlum

I buy the Fudge Skrewd from a local hairdressers so you could check out hairdressers in your area or you to somewhere like www.hqhair.com and order it there.

It 8 but it lasts ages as you don't need to use a lot. It's a thick, gel like consistancy but not sticky. It gives really good curl definiation and as it's heat responsive you get extra boingy curls if you use a hairdryer.

Good luck! Let me know if you do buy it and what results you get.

Sugar Plum Fairy 01-26-2004 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Twirly Girl
Hi SugarPlum

I buy the Fudge Skrewd from a local hairdressers so you could check out hairdressers in your area or you to somewhere like www.hqhair.com and order it there.

It 8 but it lasts ages as you don't need to use a lot. It's a thick, gel like consistancy but not sticky. It gives really good curl definiation and as it's heat responsive you get extra boingy curls if you use a hairdryer.

Good luck! Let me know if you do buy it and what results you get.

Okie dokie, I'll keep a look out for it. Thanks for the tip! 8)


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