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Old 06-21-2013, 09:46 AM   #1
 
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Default Ingredients check, please?

Can anyone tell me about these ingredients, in particular the ones I bolded? Are they mild sulfates? Not sulfates at all? Anything else terrible in there? Is this reasonable for a low-poo?

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Renpure Argon Oil Shampoo

Ingredients: Purified Water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine (Coconut Oil*), Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate (Coconut Oil*), Lauryl Glucoside (Coconut Oil*), Decyl Glucoside (Coconut Oil*), Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate (Palm Oil*), PEG-120 Methyl Glucose Dioleate (Rapeseed Oil*), Argania Spinosa (Argan) Kernel Oil, Hypnea Musciformis Extract (Red Seaweed*), Gellidiela Acerosa Extract (Red Alga*), Sargassum Filipendula Extract (Brown Seaweed*), Sobitol (Sugar*), Silicone Quaternium-17, Glycol Stearate (Palm Oil*), Polyquaternium-10, Citric Acid, Diazolidinyl Urea, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Fragrance. (* Derived Source)
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Style: FSG, BRHG
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No sulphate surfactants there. Some anionics which are in the same broader category as sulphates, some are very mild some less so.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Sulfate Free Shampoos : Least and Most Gentle
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:04 AM   #3
 
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Thanks for the response. I don't know if it will be harsh on my hair, but I may give it a try as a non-sulfate poo.
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Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

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Old 06-21-2013, 11:55 AM   #4
 
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Ingredients: Purified Water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine (Coconut Oil*), Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate (Coconut Oil*), Lauryl Glucoside (Coconut Oil*), Decyl Glucoside (Coconut Oil*), Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate(Palm Oil*), PEG-120 Methyl Glucose Dioleate (Rapeseed Oil*), Argania Spinosa (Argan) Kernel Oil, Hypnea Musciformis Extract (Red Seaweed*), Gellidiela Acerosa Extract (Red Alga*), Sargassum Filipendula Extract (Brown Seaweed*), Sobitol (Sugar*), Silicone Quaternium-17, Glycol Stearate (Palm Oil*), Polyquaternium-10, Citric Acid, Diazolidinyl Urea, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Fragrance. (* Derived Source)
Like Firefox said, there aren't harsh sulfates here, but I have bolded two ingredients that I personally would be wary of. I have no idea what Silicone Quaternium is, but it sounds problematic. Polyquats I avoid because they build up on my hair. However, others use them without any problems, so that ingredient might be fine for you.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:15 PM   #5
 
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I found this link very useful!

What Makes a Cleansing Ingredient More Harsh or More Gentle?
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RO: TN Radiant Care, Giovanni SaS, Ogx BKT*, Sukin Nourishing, SS Caitlin's, various
LI: sometimes TN Radiant Care
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:21 PM   #6
 
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Thanks, ladies. wavydaze - that's a link I didn't have bookmarked yet.

I have my hair bookmarks now in multiple categories. Oy.
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Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:28 PM   #7
 
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I'm just copying and pasting from Tonya's article (link above also) for easier reference!
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...or-more-gentle


Harsh Surfactants

sodium laureth, myreth, lauryl sulfate: harsh, small molecule surfactants, with very small polar head group

sodium coco sulfate: very slightly milder than sodium lauryl sulfate, but not much (made from coconut fatty acid and not purified, has some molecules with longer tail groups and some with shorter), similar to sodium laureth sulfate

ammonium lauryl and laureth sulfate: very slightly less harsh due to larger head group (ammonium)

sodium C14-16 Olefin sulfonate: very harsh

TEA lauryl sulfate: harsh, slightly less harsh than ammonium lauryl sulfate, (larger head group than sodium or ammonium versions)

TEA-dodecylbenzenesulfonate: irritant and can be drying if used in too high amounts in the formula

sodium alkylbenzene sulfonate: harsh

ammonium or sodium xylenesulfonate: fairly harsh



Some Gentler Surfactants


sodium cocyl isethionate: extremely gentle

cocamidopropyl betaine: mild surfactant, in part due to its zwitterionic character

sodium lauryl sulfoacetate: large molecule surfactant, very mild, very gentle

sodium cocoyl (or lauryl/lauroyl) sarcosinate: very mild

ethyl PEG-15 cocamine sulfate: very mild due to being a large molecule (PEG modified)

dioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate (also known as aerosol-OT or AOT): mild due to its branched structure

sodium lauryl glucose carboxylate: very mild due to its large structure

disodium laureth sulfosuccinate: very mild surfactant

Sodium methyl 2-sulfolaurate/ disodium sulfolaurate: (synonym) Sodium Methyl Cocoyl or Lauryl Taurate – mild, derived from coconut fatty acids

sodium cocoyl glycinate: mild

Pluronic and Tetronic surfactants (gentle, nonionic, biodegradable polymeric materials)

polyglucosides: very mild, nonionic sugar-based surfactants

poly decyl glucoside carboxylate: very mild non-sulfate surfactant
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Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni 2chic BK&AO
RO: TN Radiant Care, Giovanni SaS, Ogx BKT*, Sukin Nourishing, SS Caitlin's, various
LI: sometimes TN Radiant Care
Styler: FSG with CNPF, CJ Pattern Pusha, Volumax Mega, Ouidad Climate Control*, Ogx BKT serum*
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:53 PM   #8
 
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Silicone Quaternium-17 is a water soluble silicone, and if you do a search here, you should find a few threads about it. If I recall, all of Renpure's shampoos and conditioners have it toward the end of the ingredients list. In my bottle of Brazilian Keratin Straightening conditioner, Silicone Quaternium-17 appears directly before the antimicrobial, preservative, and fragrance ingredients, so it's present in a fairly small amount.

For some concrete info,this UK company lists it as a cationic silicone. This page says it's an emulsifier, surfactant, and a hair conditioner. Finally, this is the patent data for it (and other quaternary silicone surfactants), and the info. about water solubility is on page 3.

As far as personal experience, for what it's worth, Renpure's Argan shampoo is in my regular rotation, and I haven't had any issues with it. It consistently cleans my hair and clears any product buildup I might have, without leaving it feeling coated, or dry, rough, or stripped. I don't do straight low poo, but I've used this 3-4 washes straight without noticing any negative issues.

You didn't ask about Renpure's conditioners, but they also contain Silicone Quaternium-17, so I'll mention them briefly. I use their Brazilian Keratin and (old formula) Argan Oil conditioners as rinse outs and leave ins, and they perform well for me, leaving my hair soft, shiny, and frizz free, without looking weighed down or feeling producty.
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:38 PM   #9
 
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Thanks for the info. I was looking at both flavors of the shampoo and conditioner. Do you not like the new formula argon oil conditioner?
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Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

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Old 06-21-2013, 08:32 PM   #10
 
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The short answer is, I haven't tried the new formula yet, so I don't have a concrete opinion on it.

I'm still working on my last bottle of old formula, and debating whether to try the new formula or look for something similar in another brand. The new formula is identical to the old, except it has amodimethicone added, which isn't water soluble. I've heard other curlies here haven't cared for how it performed for them. A-cone requires a low poo to remove, but it does have some nice qualities too. It targets damage, and once a layer of it has been deposited onto hair, additional layers will be repelled instead of depositing. So, it shouldn't build up.

Essentially, I'm just not sure I want to get back into using non water soluble silicones. A-cone seems like it would be relatively "mild" as non water soluble 'cones go, but I wonder about my hair feeling producty or "gunky" with continued use. I know Jas76 tried an a-cone experiment with a conditioner and got undesirable results, though her properties don't match mine.

I could see a-cone in a leave in helping to seal in the moisture and other benefits from a rinse out conditioner. On days no leave in is used, I could see it in a rinse out helping to ease combing and similarly seal in moisture and perhaps decrease frizz. I would suspect that a leave in conditioner might be less effective applied after an a-cone containing rinse out.

Sometimes, mostly in winter on low dew days, I'd use Renpure Argan as both rinse out and leave in conditioner. With the new formula, that would mean I'd have a double layer of a-cone sitting on my hair until my next wash. I'm unsure whether that would do good things to help my hair retain moisture between wash days, or whether it would feel odd and dry out faster. In the end, I may grab a bottle just so I can quit theorizing about how it would behave for me and find out.
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RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, Cure Care
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