Things I've learned since starting CG, some new rules, & things I need to figure out.

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I'm only on Day 10 of CG but I've learned a few important things that I REALLY need to stick to. Any other tips and advice are appreciated!!

Things I've Learned...
  1. Too much manipulation (touching, scrunching, blotting, etc.) causes my waves to break up and frizz.
  2. Upside down rinsing is a no go and leads to seriously wonky roots.
  3. Upside down styling is okay as long as I "leave my roots in their place" and add product to the back of my head when I put my head upright.
  4. Adding product when my hair is dry or trying to fix or perfect pieces only makes it worse. I REALLY NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS ONE.
  5. Flour sack towels work best for plopping.
  6. Plopping for 15-30 minutes (depending on how much water is left in my hair) is best.
  7. Often only my canopy is messy/frizzy. The rest of my hair is fine so I don't need to throw it in a bun. Pinning just the messy part works great.

Some New Rules for Myself...
  1. I will limit the products I use and focus on experimenting with texhniques. I hope this will give me a sort of "baseline" of my hair.
  2. I will only style my hair once while wet and not mess with it after that. It never helps.
  3. I will settle for "pretty good" and stop trying to perfect and fix. It never ever ever helps.
  4. I will only resort to a messy bun if it is REALLY bad.
  5. I will only re wash and style if it is so bad that it can't even look presentable in an updo, I have a reaction, etc. If I continue redoing every time my hair is less than perfect it is going to get seriously dried out.

Some Things I Really Need to Figure Out... HELP please!!
  1. Parting- If I part I get flat roots and less wave. If I don't I get a wonky part and waves that lay funny.
  2. Scrunching vs. Raking- I can't figure out which works for me. If I rake I get MUCH better product distribution and frizz control but get looser waves. If I scrunch I get awesome volume and curl but more frizz and areas that don't get any product. Even if I scrunch after raking I still get flat roots.
  3. Co washing- I can't figure out if my hair is adjusting or if it's weighing me down. I don't think I'm overconditioned because my hair is porous and damaged.
  4. Second day hair- This phenomena has yet to occur for me.
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2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


Have you tried the scrunch and pump method?
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Have you tried the scrunch and pump method?
Originally Posted by chloe92us
I think the way I scrunch is scrunch and pump but not sure. Does it help with product distribution?
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


Sounds like you have learned a lot and made good progress! Are you getting a light lather from your co-wash and ending up with 'squeaky' clean feeling hair when you are rinsing?

You might try a combination of scrunch and pump with lightly running lightly coated palms over the surface of any areas prone to frizz, not enough to press or pull out waves like raking. IIRC they run palms over in the Devachan videos on YouTube, tho only upside down you could do it both ways up.

Not sure there is any solution to the part issue, if you want hair super neat you use a comb and sacrifice clumps or wave, if you want volume and curl closer to the roots you sacrifice a neat line. People who can do both generally have a strong curl pattern. I quit parting my hair when I established that was contributing to canopy frizz and killing curl, other wavies I see who part have straight roots too.

Growing your hair out differently or cutting in layers differently may help your hair to sit better without a part. It's easier to adjust clumps into good positions if you don't overdry with plopping or scrunching and use root clips. Some people clip before they plop, no idea how that stays in tho.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Sounds like you have learned a lot and made good progress! Are you getting a light lather from your co-wash and ending up with 'squeaky' clean feeling hair when you are rinsing?

You might try a combination of scrunch and pump with lightly running lightly coated palms over the surface of any areas prone to frizz, not enough to press or pull out waves like raking. IIRC they run palms over in the Devachan videos on YouTube, tho only upside down you could do it both ways up.

Not sure there is any solution to the part issue, if you want hair super neat you use a comb and sacrifice clumps or wave, if you want volume and curl closer to the roots you sacrifice a neat line. People who can do both generally have a strong curl pattern. I quit parting my hair when I established that was contributing to canopy frizz and killing curl, other wavies I see who part have straight roots too.

Growing your hair out differently or cutting in layers differently may help your hair to sit better without a part. It's easier to adjust clumps into good positions if you don't overdry with plopping or scrunching and use root clips. Some people clip before they plop, no idea how that stays in tho.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
TY! I'm going to try scrunch and pump.. I was reading some threads about it but one thing is unclear. Do you quickly scrunch the product in all over then scrunch and pump section by section? Or is it adding the product section by section scrunching and pumping?

As far as co washing... my scalp feels clean but the lengths don't. I kind of add a lot of conditioner, massage a lot with the pads of my fingers, let it sit.. Then add some water, massage some more so it turns "milky", then massage as I rinse. My scalp feels really clean but the lengths feel weighed down (even if I don't follow up with a RO).

I think I'm just going to give up on a neat part. I'd rather have root curl and a messy part than a flat top. I also noticed that my waves were better when my hair was BSL (it's shoulder length now)... In pics with long hair I look to be about 2C and now I'm 2A/B.
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


Kaykre: thanks for posting this. I've had some of the same issues & its good to know that I wasn't the only one who experienced that. But I will try plopping with a flour sack towel. But my hair is happy either air drying or sitting under the dryer for like 10 minutes.
How i scrunch & pump:
Coat your hands in product, flip your head upside down, and "play the piano" with your fingers while smoothing down the back, front, and length of your hair to try to cover the areas with a light layer of product.

Then I coat the back canopy with product by sending both hands through the hair hanging down and smoothing on that section.

Then add more product to your hands and smooth on your length only (I kind of make a unicorn horn with my length and squish it all in and make one big clump.

Then put a little more product on your hands and grab a handful of hair with each fist, scrunch to your head, and then open and close 8 times (like you're squeezing a wet washcloth or poof to get the excess water out). So you're using both hands, and each hand has a different clump of hair. Then move to the next section (there's no rhyme or reason with how I do it- I just make sure I've done it all- twice!)

At this point your hair should be making squishy sounds.

After you've scrunched and pumped, flip your head up and gently place the individual clumps in a way where you want your part (a more jagged part looks better, in my opinion, and doesn't mess up the clumps.

Then you can either plop or scrunch with a towel.....whichever works for you.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip

Last edited by chloe92us; 06-23-2013 at 08:33 PM.
TY! I'm going to try scrunch and pump.. I was reading some threads about it but one thing is unclear. Do you quickly scrunch the product in all over then scrunch and pump section by section? Or is it adding the product section by section scrunching and pumping?

As far as co washing... my scalp feels clean but the lengths don't. I kind of add a lot of conditioner, massage a lot with the pads of my fingers, let it sit.. Then add some water, massage some more so it turns "milky", then massage as I rinse. My scalp feels really clean but the lengths feel weighed down (even if I don't follow up with a RO).

I think I'm just going to give up on a neat part. I'd rather have root curl and a messy part than a flat top. I also noticed that my waves were better when my hair was BSL (it's shoulder length now)... In pics with long hair I look to be about 2C and now I'm 2A/B.
Originally Posted by kaykre
I scrunch and pump as I am applying. Is there a video in the techniques sticky?

Maybe try rinsing longer before you begin washing your scalp, then massaging the lengths more. If needs be I finger comb through the lengths (yes I detangle with my co-wash) or scrunch and pump or alternate between the two. I usually only need to do that to shift coconut oil tho, do you know what ingredient in your other products is building up?
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I scrunch and pump as I am applying. Is there a video in the techniques sticky?
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I don't think so, but this video you posted on another thread is as close as I've seen to the scrunch and pump in action! Although, the stylist "pumps" more gently than I do (I open and close my hands more dramatically), and also doesn't pump as many times per section. (Fast forward to where she's applying the gel):

DevaCurl. Do The Deva 3 Step - YouTube
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2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
TY both! Quick scrunch and pump question....

Do you guys scrunch and pump with your hands while applying product? Or do it with a microfiber after? Or both?
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


TY both! Quick scrunch and pump question....

Do you guys scrunch and pump with your hands while applying product? Or do it with a microfiber after? Or both?
Originally Posted by kaykre
I S&P product with my hands. After I'm all done, I either plop or do a quick scrunch with my towel to remove excess water. Then diffuse.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
TY both! Quick scrunch and pump question....

Do you guys scrunch and pump with your hands while applying product? Or do it with a microfiber after? Or both?
Originally Posted by kaykre
Scrunch and pump with hands, you are trying to get the 'seaweed' squishy noise as the conditioner mixes with the water in your hair. When I scrunch out the water I don't pump, for me it's more of a light squeeze or blot so the water wicks out (you can feel your hand getting damp) but without squeezing all the products right back out again.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I mostly rake & scrunch product through my hair. I still don't think I get conditioner through my hair. I'll try that.
I'm fairly new to CG myself, and have had similar issues regarding raking and scrunching. I'm finding that raking, then smoothing the individual curls a bit, then scrunching with a flour sack towel (lift the section with the towel in both hands, squeeze and hold for a few seconds, then gently release and lower) and plopping for about 10 minutes is working pretty well. Then I pixiecurl diffuse until my hair's about 50% dry. I always have frizz, but much less this way. For second day hair, I wet my hands and run them over my hair, then rub a few drops of camellia oil (it's very light) in my palms and run that over, then scrunch lightly. I haven't been successful using any other products on second day, and if I try to spray anything in, I get a lot of frizz. I'm on third day hair today and it actually looks OK in a messy sort of way, but I hauled a bunch of dirt in the yard yesterday and it's drizzling today, so all things considered it's not bad.
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry
Beautifully defined curls, without the frizz - YouTube
Micro Fiber Towel - YouTube
DevaCurl. Style Curly Hair with DevaTowel and DevaGlove - YouTube
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I love my curls like us towels (I have two). I use it for my plop and for wicking water and scrunching and sleeping with a plop...

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