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udoknowjac 06-24-2013 07:10 AM

CJ Beauticurls Strengthener Conditioner vs Spiral Solutions Caitlin Conditioner
 
My hair profile is fine/normal/normal and I have 3B hair

Both of these conditioners were on my hair profile. If you have my hair type and have tried either of these can you give me your thoughts?

Thanks!

wavydaze 06-24-2013 07:49 AM

Good timing! I also have SS & CJ tabs open trying to figure out the same thing! (Also fine, normal, normal!)

CJ Beauticurls Strengthening Condish

Ingredients: Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Vegetable Glycerin, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Panthenol, Cucurbita Pepo (Pumpkin Seed) Oil, Melissa Officinalis (Melissa) Leaf Extract, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Leaf Extract, Piperita (Peppermint) Leaf Extract, Equisetum Arvense (Horsetail) Leaf Extract, Yucca Leaf Extract, Keratin Amino Acids, Polyquaternium-7, Lecithin, Fragrance, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol.

SS Caitlin's Condish

Ingredients: distilled water, behentrimonium methosulfate (and) cetearyl alcohol, babassu oil, vegetable glycerine, meadowfoam seed oil, stearyl alcohol, avocado oil, hydrolyzed oat protein, hydrolyzed jojoba protein, hydrolyzed silk, panthenol, glyceryl stearate, phenoxyethanol (and) caprylyl glycol (and) sorbic acid, aloe vera powder, essential oil blend, guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, tocopherol, citric acid

I guess one of the main differences that matters to some is the polyquat 7 in the CJ condish. Otherwise, it may be a matter of which protein your hair responds to better. I'm wondering if the SS is more protein-packed.

udoknowjac 06-24-2013 01:38 PM

It is really great timing now since it is on sale. I may just get them both to try out.

Anyone else have experience with these?

Jessiebanana 06-24-2013 02:33 PM

In my experience oat protein isn't as strong, so that maybe why the SS has more than one protein higher up.

Firefox7275 06-24-2013 04:54 PM

Looking at the first five ingredients ... babassu oil is rich in lauric acid so can penetrate, the eicosenoic acid in jojoba oil cannot. Also glycerin is higher in the CJ so it's likely slightly heavier on the humectants and lighter on the oils relative to the SS. SS contains hydrolysed protein, CJ only contains amino acids which are too small to adhere and likely to wash away.

i would choose based on your dew points/ humidity or whether your hair likes protein.

udoknowjac 06-24-2013 05:40 PM

Thank you this is all so helpful!

Firefox - I live in Orlando so the humidity is really high. For example today it was 70% and I think the Dew Point was 74. I am not sure if my hair likes protein or not. My hair genie profile said that I should use protein, my hair is fine/normal/normal according to them. But, I have never looked into using it before. Funny enough I have been doing CG for years but never really looked that detailed into why some products might work and others don't. I just found combos that worked for my hair

Based on that is one of these products more likely to be better for me?

chloe92us 06-24-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by udoknowjac (Post 2184146)
Thank you this is all so helpful!

Firefox - I live in Orlando so the humidity is really high. For example today it was 70% and I think the Dew Point was 74. I am not sure if my hair likes protein or not. My hair genie profile said that I should use protein, my hair is fine/normal/normal according to them. But, I have never looked into using it before. Funny enough I have been doing CG for years but never really looked that detailed into why some products might work and others don't. I just found combos that worked for my hair

Based on that is one of these products more likely to be better for me?

Do you have any frizz issues? Glycerin for me in Florida gives me trouble in the summer. I probably wouldn't purchase either of these bc the glycerin is so high on the list. I've been eyeing the CJ curl assurance smoothing conditioner and Beauticurls leave in. The CJ product selection guide is here:

Product Selection Guide

Firefox7275 06-24-2013 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by udoknowjac (Post 2184146)
Thank you this is all so helpful!

Firefox - I live in Orlando so the humidity is really high. For example today it was 70% and I think the Dew Point was 74. I am not sure if my hair likes protein or not. My hair genie profile said that I should use protein, my hair is fine/normal/normal according to them. But, I have never looked into using it before. Funny enough I have been doing CG for years but never really looked that detailed into why some products might work and others don't. I just found combos that worked for my hair

Based on that is one of these products more likely to be better for me?

Fine hair does often like protein, so if you aren't aware of a problem I'd be more concerned about the glycerin. Spiral Solutions is potentially better because it looks like more protein, less glycerin and there are several anti humectants/ sealers. BUT Chloe92us is right, glycerin might not work in the current humidity/ dews, I definitely would avoid other humectants if you went for it. Did the hair analysis not give you any other options?

wavydaze 06-24-2013 08:31 PM

Thanks everyone for your input! I think I'm going with the SS Caitlin's condish!

By the way, for the OP... I'm VERY sensitive to glycerin in high dews, but only if it's in my LI or styling products. Practically all of my ROs have had glycerin and have not bothered me at all. This is common. It depends of course if you're looking for a straight RO or an RO that can be used as an LI as well.

chloe92us 06-24-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wavydaze (Post 2184207)
Thanks everyone for your input! I think I'm going with the SS Caitlin's condish!

By the way, for the OP... I'm VERY sensitive to glycerin in high dews, but only if it's in my LI or styling products. Practically all of my ROs have had glycerin and have not bothered me at all. This is common. It depends of course if you're looking for a straight RO or an RO that can be used as an LI as well.

Good point, that's usually true for me as well. I avoid it in my leave ins and stylers. That being said, none of my RO have it that high on the list. There are lots of other conditioners without so much of it.

udoknowjac 06-25-2013 05:52 AM

I am not sure if I have glycerin issues. I have tried CK in the past but honestly cannot remember if it was successful or not. Perhaps like wavydaze I might be better off trying the Spiral Solutions.

The only other conditioners recommended on my profile was Aquage Healing or Suave Tropical Coconut

If anyone with my hair type has other suggestions I would appreciate it! These are the only ones I found for my hair type so far

chloe92us 06-25-2013 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by udoknowjac (Post 2184288)
I am not sure if I have glycerin issues. I have tried CK in the past but honestly cannot remember if it was successful or not. Perhaps like wavydaze I might be better off trying the Spiral Solutions.

The only other conditioners recommended on my profile was Aquage Healing or Suave Tropical Coconut

If anyone with my hair type has other suggestions I would appreciate it! These are the only ones I found for my hair type so far

Since you live in Florida, you would probably know if you do. If your hair becomes big, frizzy, and puffy as the day goes on...could be glycerin sensitive.


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