Will Target trigger the death of the 'ethnic hair' aisle?

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[QUOTE=Jessiebanana;2185888]

There is a correlation. It why if you move to certain countries it's easier or harder to find curly hair products. Stores cater to their demographic. You even see the difference between neighborhoods in the US.
Originally Posted by Samanthascurlz

LOL...Jessiebanana, you just said that there is a significant correlation between hair type and nationality. You don't have to derive by the word, correlation. I understand you wanted to prove me wrong, but we were all talking about how great it would be for Target to just make a natural hair care aisle so we wouldn't have to worry about -cones, sulfates, etc. You didn't have to go out of your way to get so offensive off of my word correlation. If you wanted to correct that is perfectly fine, but I feel that it was a slight personal attack on my word. It's even more offensive bc you are using correlation as cause and effect, not a relationship.

I just want to let you know, and this is a very common mistake, that correlation means a relationship not cause and effect. You are stating that nationality and hair are cause and effect. That is not true. Correlation means a relationship between x and y. I have an educational background on Psychology which uses correlation religiously lol so I am validating what I am saying. It isn't just something I read on Wikipedia- but it's something I learned. So that is all I am saying. I really don't want to talk about correlations anymore though lol.
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I apologize for making this thread on something entirely different than it's intended use.
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I didn't state cause and effect...I explained the meaning of significance. A significant correlation is a term used in science and psychology. You should google it cause you are not very coherent.

How could the lines drawn on a map, that make up nationality, cause curly hair? That's ridiculous and I would never suggest that.

You're just looking for an argument and I'm done providing one. This is not worth my time.
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Last edited by Jessiebanana; 06-30-2013 at 01:14 PM.
I didn't state cause and effect...I explained the meaning of significance. A significant correlation is a term used in science and psychology. You should google it cause you are not very coherent.

How could the lines drawn on a map, that make up nationality, cause curly hair? That's ridiculous and I would never suggest that.

You're just looking for an argument and I'm done providing one. This is not worth my time.
Originally Posted by Jessiebanana
Jessiebanana, if you didn't like what I said, that is perfectly fine. We can agree to disagree, but there was no need to say I was not coherent. I don't mind having discussions and we both go back and fourth, maybe trying to validate our own points. That is part of a discussion. But to start to aim at someone personally and tell someone to 'google' something and go against me is going out of line. You had stated, from the beginning, that there was a correlation between hair type and nationality. You were disagreeing what I said. That is fine, but I disagreed with what you said. In reality you were looking for an argument because you could have originally seen my post about the non-correlation and ignored it. Instead you went and commented. I personally believe you didn't think I was going to say anything back and that offended you. Sorry, but if I feel I need to further validate my reasonings I will do so. I had also stated, in a joking manner to diffuse the situation, that I would like to stop talking about correlations. Yet you insisted on saying I was not coherent and trying to bash my knowledge by telling me to 'google' it. I will stop here. I had to respond because I did feel that was uncalled for.

Thank you.
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Last edited by Samanthascurlz; 06-30-2013 at 01:28 PM.
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Ladies, it is ok to agree to disagree. No need to go back and forth and derail the thread, nor resort to personal attacks.

BE COURTEOUS. BE TOLERANT. You're about to encounter many new friends in our community, with many new and interesting viewpoints. Please be respectful and tolerant of everyone you meet, even if you disagree with their opinions. Don't use language that is threatening, abusive, harassing, hateful or racially or ethnically objectionable. And don't engage in personal attacks. This includes NaturallyCurly.com staff, who work hard to keep our Community a fun spot to visit.
Originally Posted by Guide63
Absolutely. But I had tried to diffuse the situation because I knew the topic was being pulled away farther and farther. We all have personal opinions, that is what makes us human beings. It's wonderful to take in other peoples perspectives. I tried to do that, you can see in my past posts. But to then bash me, saying I am not 'coherent,' and bashing my knowledge isn't the way to have a fluid discussion on here. I did not once make any personal attack.
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Ladies, it is ok to agree to disagree. No need to go back and forth and derail the thread, nor resort to personal attacks.

BE COURTEOUS. BE TOLERANT. You're about to encounter many new friends in our community, with many new and interesting viewpoints. Please be respectful and tolerant of everyone you meet, even if you disagree with their opinions. Don't use language that is threatening, abusive, harassing, hateful or racially or ethnically objectionable. And don't engage in personal attacks. This includes NaturallyCurly.com staff, who work hard to keep our Community a fun spot to visit.
Originally Posted by Guide63
That's all I wanted this to be. I was happy when she apologized for lying about what I said, but of course she took that back in favor of arguing.

Thanks

Last edited by Jessiebanana; 06-30-2013 at 01:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by Guide63
That's all I wanted this to be. I was happy when she apologized for lying about what I said, but of course she took that back in favor of arguing.

Thanks
Originally Posted by Jessiebanana
I really wasn't lying though. Look back at the past posts, I really want to know how I was lying. And no, Jessiebanana, I was going to keep the apology and then realized, why should I apologize to someone who insulted me? I didn't insult you. I wanted to stick up for myself. I did edit it because I was trying to simply stop the arguing by saying sorry since I knew it would ease you to think you 'won' the argument. When I said, I made it up, I was being sarcastic- I didn't think you really thought I made it up. Trying to think I was lying doesn't help the fact that you had to personally bash me. You don't know me and I don't know you.

You could have simply said, from the beginning, "Samanthascurlz, I don't agree that there isn't a correlation. IMO I think there is a correlation between hair type and nationality because of demographics." Then I could have said my own opinion and then that would have been it. I wrote in another post that us not agreeing is perfectly fine. So Idk why you couldn't have let it end at that. We both are clearly dominating personalities so it's that sort of 'butting heads' moment. And it also seems we both want to have the last word lol. So I will be sincere by saying I am sorry for continuing onwards on an unrelated post that you had replied about.
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Originally Posted by dusalocks
Well that will certainly diffuse the situation LOL
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I'd like to see all the hair products in the same aisle; if a store has some hair products on the end cap, I like to see the same products in the hair aisle.

There is a SuperTarget and a Target about 20 minutes apart in my town and the Target carries Kinky Curly products while the SuperTarget carries Mixed Chicks. Of course I couldn't remember which store carried the KC products, so I ended up going to both stores. As I was in the Target, some ladies were looking for Mixed Chicks products and I told them I had just come from the SuperTarget where I had just seen Mixed Chicks products. We had a good laugh on this, since we had both found ourselves in the "wrong" store.

My nearest Albertson's grocery store moved the curly haired products from the hair product aisle and I was almost in tears trying to find it. I thought I was going crazy, because less than a month before that I had bought Eco Styler there and I knew they had curly haired products. I finally found it one aisle over by the makeup products.

(my attempt at going back on topic)

And off topic: when you go to a new store that has hair products, do you find yourself checking it out, even if the purpose of your shopping trip did NOT include hair products? Yup, that's me
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I'd like to see all the hair products in the same aisle; if a store has some hair products on the end cap, I like to see the same products in the hair aisle.

There is a SuperTarget and a Target about 20 minutes apart in my town and the Target carries Kinky Curly products while the SuperTarget carries Mixed Chicks. Of course I couldn't remember which store carried he KC products, so I ended up going to both stores. As I was in the Target, some ladies were looking for Mixed Chicks and I told them I had just come from the SuperTarget where I had just seen Mixed Chicks products. We had a good laugh on this, since we had both found ourselves in the "wrong" store.

My nearest Albertson's grocery store moved the curly haired products from the hair product aisle and I was almost in tears trying to find it. I thought I was going crazy, because less than a month before that I had bought Eco Styler there and I knew they had curly haired products. I finally found it one aisle over by the makeup products.

(my attempt at going back on topic)

And off topic: when you go to a new store that has hair products, do you find yourself checking it out, even if the purpose of your shopping trip did NOT include hair products? Yup, that's me
Originally Posted by KauaiMareCurl
Lol, well thank you

I wish target sold eco styler, I can't find it at any other place other than Sally's. And YES, I always go to stores that I KNOW have hair products and I stand there examining ingredients trying to see if it could possibly be my next HG lol! I am starting to do that at grocery stores now with oil and such lol! It's weird how the Super Target had the Mixed Chicks but not the regular Target. I do know that when it comes to standing in the aisle and looking at products, it always ends up being Target that I do it the most.
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I do it at pretty much every department or grocery store I visit, unless I'm pressed for time. I think to myself, hmm, I wonder if they have new products? Am so glad the BF is so understanding about my hair obsession! I try my best to not torture him by taking him to Sally's too often, lol!
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I do it at pretty much every department or grocery store I visit, unless I'm pressed for time. I think to myself, hmm, I wonder if they have new products? Am so glad the BF is so understanding about my hair obsession! I try my best to not torture him by taking him to Sally's too often, lol!
Originally Posted by KauaiMareCurl

LOL SAME FOR ME! My BF tries to suggest products and I will say: "NO it has cones!" LOL. But yes, usually Sally's can be too much for my bf too who just stands there awkwardly as I am examining everything. At least Target he can wander lol

I do agree though. When I am in a store, I always have to take a glance. Such as Walgreens or CVS.
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For me the illogical and ignorant thing is not necessarily dividing up by ethnic group, which would make some sort of sense, but just two groups: caucasian and 'ethnic' (ie. whites and the entire rest of the world).

The subtext is by skin tone not genuinely ethnic group or hair type, and ends up lumping people of African heritage who are more likely to have porous kinky curly hair with East and South Asians who are more likely to have low porosity, coarse, poker straight hair. It's not even just ignoring mixed heritage or 'minorities' of hair type within each ethnic group.
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The first time I noticed Shea Moisture was when they started that endcap. It was before I went CG and never thought to check the "ethnic" section. Now I know better. It really should be called the curly section.
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[QUOTE=Samanthascurlz;2185962]
Lol, well thank you

I wish target sold eco styler, I can't find it at any other place other than Sally's. And YES, I always go to stores that I KNOW have hair products and I stand there examining ingredients trying to see if it could possibly be my next HG lol! I am starting to do that at grocery stores now with oil and such lol! It's weird how the Super Target had the Mixed Chicks but not the regular Target. I do know that when it comes to standing in the aisle and looking at products, it always ends up being Target that I do it the most.
Originally Posted by KauaiMareCurl
My local CVS has Ecostyler Krystal, so you might check there. I don't actually like CVS very much, but it's right next to where my son works, and when I have to pick him up late (I made the kid get a job before he could drive and now I pay the price, lol) I go into CVS and read labels. Not a whole lot else to do at 11:30ish at night in my town.

I think the availability of curly hair products (for actual curls, I mean) has as much to do with local culture/customs as anything else. If you're in an area where there's lots of curly hair, but everyone straightens or relaxes, you're not going to see much marketed directly for curls. Conversely, in an area like mine which is more individualistic, for lack of a better term--small town, but lots of gray hair, dreads, long hair, etc.--you'll see a lot of curly products because fewer people straighten here. Stores carry what sells. As (hopefully) there's more of a move toward embracing curls you'll see more of a curly section, and it won't be "ethnic."
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I forgot to include that the Target I was discussing is a Super Target and it houses Mixed Chicks, Kinky Curly, Miss Jessie's, Jane Carter, Shea Moisture, etc. however they are separated from the "Caucasian hair products". I use that in quotations because I use "Caucasian hair products" and "ethnic hair products" and both work wonders on my hair.
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If they sectioned it calling it the curly hair section and it had all "ethnic" products (etc.motions, mixedchicks, dark&lovely) people that relax their hair May get lost, I think they should have a natural hair section (not natural hair) but natural products.... it would make my life and other Cg's life easier, then a chemically treated section (colored&perms&relaxer) then mainstream brands "regular products".

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