New here: Here's what I got, so tell me how to start

Hi guys,

I just posted on the newbie forum:

New to all this. I'm 41 years old and have just realized I have curly hair.

My hair has always been super-thick and prone to frizz, but it truly was straight through high school. In college and after it became clear that the potential for curl was there, but I never could harness it successfully, and so for most of my adulthood I've blown it out or straightened it. It looks good straight! And I probably will still do that sometimes. But for everyday, I want it to be natural and healthy and I want to enjoy my waves.

I've tried going shampoo-free before and had alarming results, but I think maybe I was using the wrong products. I'm trying to get a better start this time with some stuff I've already been using on my kids' hair (both straighties--for now). Will post more deets and some questions in the general forum.

I don't want to be a slave to my hair--I want this to be a step toward NOT thinking about it that much (and not spending that much on it). So I'll be looking for some easy tips and one-step styling products. Thanks in advance for welcoming me and for your advice.
Here's what I've got:
-Hair that has been washed with sulfate shampoo and now has Mixed Chicks leave-in plus olive oil in it. Heckuva lot better than when I'd let it air-dry before, but still no miracle.
-Regular sulfate and silicone shampoo that I've been using forever (organix tea tree)
-Non-sulfate and non-silicone shampoo that I use on my kids (Nature's Gate chamomile)
-No styling products at all other than Mixed Chicks leave-in, which I can see has silicone in it.

So--how shall I start? I'm thinking one more wash with the Organix to get out the silicone, then condition thoroughly with the Nature's Gate and don't rinse it out completely (which worries me, because when I've done this before my hair has swelled into a horrifying non-curl pouf. But maybe that was silicone in my conditioner.) Then "plop."

But I need some sort of non-silicone styling product, right? What do you recommend for 2C hair?

Thanks in advance for the help!
Jessica
Type 2c: coarse, high-density, low porosity (so it would seem)
Avoiding protein and glycerin; going for soft, non-crunchy, frizz-free waves
CO & RO: Tresemme Naturals Moisture
Sealer: Olive oil
Leave-in/Styler: Kinky Curly Knot Today
DT: olive oil and honey
Check out some of the stickies on this board and get yourself the Live Curly Live Free book. Know in advance that initially, you are going to spend ALOT of time on your hair until you figure out what works for you. Pre-CG I used to wash 3x per week and blow out 2 of those days, pony the rest, curly one day. I loved my low maintenance blow outs until my hair got so dry I figured I needed a change. Now I wet and style my hair almost every day and spend WAY more time on it than ever before. But I am assured that I will have healthier, longer hair in the long run so that is why I am holding out hoping this CG thing pans out for me. I am 40+ days in and still have not yet had a great hair day. I am a professional so this is HARD to be walking around with wavy, frizzy, wild and uncontrolled hair!

Good luck!
Type 2B - 3A
Med-High Porosity (partial highlights), medium & corse mixed textures

CG Day 1: May 16, 2013

Poo: CJ Daily Fix Cleansing Condish (as needed)
CO: Tresemme Naturals Vibrantly Smooth Condish
RO&LI: CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil Daily Hair Condish
Styling: CJ Pattern Pusha or FSG, TRESemme Flawless Curls - Bouncy Curls Defining Gel, Giovanni LANaturals HardHold Gel (canopy only)
DT: CJ Curl Rehab, Coconut oil, SS Repairing PT

Techniques: Scrunch-n-pump, tshirt wrap
Thanks, ALSLgirl!

I have been reading the Live Curly Live Free info...I think I'm figuring out that I need to look for products with low protein (which Nature's Gate is not). Lots more research to do!
Jessica
Type 2c: coarse, high-density, low porosity (so it would seem)
Avoiding protein and glycerin; going for soft, non-crunchy, frizz-free waves
CO & RO: Tresemme Naturals Moisture
Sealer: Olive oil
Leave-in/Styler: Kinky Curly Knot Today
DT: olive oil and honey
Definitely read up on the basics. If I understand you correctly, the Organix shampoo has silicones in it? In that case, washing again with the same shampoo won't work. What I would do is check the silicones you've been using and make sure the Nature's Gate shampoo will get them out. Then condition heavily, and leave a little in. You do need to get used to the feeling of moisturized hair, and having a leave in. At first it may not feel right. We get used to the idea that stripped, dry hair is "clean" hair because that's what we've been feeling for years and years. So give yourself time to adjust.

It also takes several weeks of more moisture/CO washing to bring curls out. It won't happen overnight. And it will take time to figure out a routine. A lot of curlies do wet/wash and style every day. I don't, partly because I just don't want to, and partly because my hair is thick and takes forever to dry. So I wash every three to four days and am trying to figure out second/third day hair. If I can't get it to look decent, I just clip it up. I've had long (hip+) hair mostly in updos for the past few years, so just wearing it down can be a bit of a challenge for me, never mind with the curls added. But I'm kinda enjoying the wildness!
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Suave conditioner, LAL gel
Welcome! Work with your hair properties and dew points/ humidity to choose products, I have heard the Live Curly Live Free e-book is good, the articles on the main NC site by 'curl chemist' Tonya McKay are great, also the Natural Haven blog. Between them you can get your head around ingredient 'families' and the balance that might best suit you.

In general for coarse hair limit protein, in very high or low dew points you want to limit humectants especially glycerin, coconut oil is wonderful for porous hair. In the short term you can conditioner only style.

The Mixed Chicks leave is not what I would call a true leave in conditioner, there are little to no fatty alcohols or cationic surfactants. It looks almost like a curl cream, I would not add oil to that or you won't be able to use enough to get a a result without being greasy. The amodimethicone is not supposed to build up.

What do you mean by 'alarming results'?
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
OK, I won't cross-post anymore.

"Alarming results" mean even coarser, frizzier, duller, huge cloud of straw-like pouf. I think maybe it was because I was using my normal conditioner for CO--which for sure has both silicone and protein in it. I think I might have better results with a light conditioner and have been trolling the protein-free board for inexpensive drugstore brands I can experiment with.

I also clearly need a styling product and I wasn't really using that before.
CurlyIntheFog recommended Tresemme Naturals Moisture, which also has the seal of approval from the Protein-sensitive boards, so I think I'm off to the drugstore to find that and a non-protein/non-glycerin gel...Kiss My Face, Aussie, or LA Looks, I think.

I also have my kids' Nature's Gate chamomile to try for a protein experiment. But I have coarse hair and I live by the ocean, where there is a lot of moisture in the air, so I think it's going to be no protein, no glycerin for me.
Jessica
Type 2c: coarse, high-density, low porosity (so it would seem)
Avoiding protein and glycerin; going for soft, non-crunchy, frizz-free waves
CO & RO: Tresemme Naturals Moisture
Sealer: Olive oil
Leave-in/Styler: Kinky Curly Knot Today
DT: olive oil and honey
Hi JessMess!

I'm new too and i've just started the CG method... I also live by the sea too!! I've found this can make my hair either proper moisturised or if i'm by the beach then really dry too! It sounds like we have similar hair and I definitely recommend the Tresemme naturals! I have CO-washed twice with it so far and so far (fingers crossed!!) I haven't had any build up; in fact the tresemme has left my hair feeling at a really good moisture balance! I just made sure that I rinsed it out for a good couple of minutes

Good luck!!! x
Thanks guys! I have my new products and am about to hop in the shower. It's super hot and humid today, so it will be a real test. LOL! Will let you know how the experiment turns out.
Jessica
Type 2c: coarse, high-density, low porosity (so it would seem)
Avoiding protein and glycerin; going for soft, non-crunchy, frizz-free waves
CO & RO: Tresemme Naturals Moisture
Sealer: Olive oil
Leave-in/Styler: Kinky Curly Knot Today
DT: olive oil and honey

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