For the love of the gods, somebody HELP ME!

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Hey there, fellow curly girls. So... I'm half Puerto Rican and I got it pretty bad hair-wise. When my curls were first growing as a child, my mum had an easier time doing my hair. As I got older - and I'm sure this is a familiar story to many of you - she had to rake a brush through my hair just to get something done.

Well, now I'll be 21 in about a week, and I still haven't managed to figure out how to, well... manage it.

I had my mum's help brushing out my hair tonight as it was crazy tangled and matted, and this is what it came out like:



I need to know how to tame the wild beast! I have a wedding to go to this weekend, and I don't think I can whip it into shape before then so I may just end up straightening it (which I do a lot and it's a pain because it takes around three hours to get it looking even decent, and I'd love not to spend so much time doing it anymore). However, I do have another wedding at the end of August, and I'd like to be able to wear my hair down and in its natural state then... if I can figure out how to control it.

When I shower, my hair comes out looking like this:



Yet as it starts to dry, it grows bigger and bigger until I resemble a cross between Chewbacca and a poodle.

I'd love to get it looking like Rachel True's in thisphoto, however:



But I just don't know how to do it! Even straightening it leaves me me with a thick pile of un-shiny, frizzy looking hair. I just need some tricks and tips and maybe product suggestions so I can get it looking more like that last photo, so I could wear it down more often. I get frequent compliments about my curls, but I'd like to feel like I deserve them!

Last edited by sourwolf; 06-26-2013 at 08:45 PM.
I don't have the same curl type as you, but I highly recommend the curly girl method (no silicones and no sulfates-waterlily716 has a great web site on it)! You'll have to experiment, but silicone-free gels have been a lifesaver. I use herbal essences set me up gel. It makes my hair crunchy but once I scrunch out the crunch I have soft defined curls. HTH!
Wow! Lol it looks like you need a heavy cream for that phrase I love Shea Moisture smoothie I have a big problem with frizz in the front , maybe a curl cream and a gel will help you out, look at shameless maya videos on YouTube, helped me tonss

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Weekly Poo/Low Poo: some Shea M Poo.
Weekly Deep Treat-Dermorganic Intensive Hair Masque
Bi-Weekly RO:Tresseme Naturals - V.Smooth/N.Moisture
Daily Leave in:Shea Moisture Extra Moisture Detangler
Daily Oil: Olive Oil & Conut Oil Mix
Daily Styler: Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk
I don't have the same curl type as you, but I highly recommend the curly girl method (no silicones and no sulfates-waterlily716 has a great web site on it)! You'll have to experiment, but silicone-free gels have been a lifesaver. I use herbal essences set me up gel. It makes my hair crunchy but once I scrunch out the crunch I have soft defined curls. HTH!
Originally Posted by DCWavyLady
I thought herbal essesnces set me up gell wasn't CG friendly?


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CG/LOC Method's 3b/3c hair SL-Curly/ Goal-MBL Curly
Weekly Poo/Low Poo: some Shea M Poo.
Weekly Deep Treat-Dermorganic Intensive Hair Masque
Bi-Weekly RO:Tresseme Naturals - V.Smooth/N.Moisture
Daily Leave in:Shea Moisture Extra Moisture Detangler
Daily Oil: Olive Oil & Conut Oil Mix
Daily Styler: Shea Moisture Curl & Style Milk
Can you tell us your routine? What kind of products you're using?

My first suggestion would be to stop brushing your hair when it's dry! Detangling should only be done on soaking wet hair that's coated in conditioner.
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Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
I'm not sure about the spray gel but the regular gel in a tube is cg friendly.
Can you tell us your routine? What kind of products you're using?

My first suggestion would be to stop brushing your hair when it's dry! Detangling should only be done on soaking wet hair that's coated in conditioner.
Originally Posted by chloe92us
I don't even really have a routine or a set of products I use. I've abandoned so much because much of what I've tried hasn't worked well for me. I dye my hair every few months so I try to use colour safe shampoos so that it doesn't fade so fast. As far as routine goes... what routine? Seriously! :P I'm a college student so I kind of just throw my hair up in a bun most days because I don't have the time to do much before early morning classes. I have some Garnier leave-in conditioner but it always leaves my hair feeling kind of gross.

As far as brushing when it's dry, it isn't something I do very often, if ever so no worries there. I had my mum do it for me tonight because I was planning on straightening as I'm leaving tomorrow to go out of town and I knew I wouldn't have time to wash/condition and get it dry again before it was too late in the evening to start straightening. (I have an InStyler so I know that's not the kind of noise most people want to hear when they're attempting to sleep.)

I straighten my hair for various events - weddings, parties, etc., because it's the only way I can feel comfortable. Leaving my hair curly means having it up and it looks kind of awful because I can't do anything with it, and leaving it down means a frizzy mess and hair everywhere.

I just fail all around at taking proper care of my hair; I've just never found a good way to control it.
I think your hair can definitely benefit from the CG method. I would recommend getting the book (Curly Girl: The Handbook: Michele Bender, Lorraine Massey, Deborah Chiel: 9780761156789: Amazon.com: Books) as a starter. It explains conditioner washing and why you shouldn't use sulfates (and therefore silicones) on your hair. You'll have a transition period but the less heat you use on your hair the better. It will get more shiny naturally once it's healthier. If you have a lot of heat damage you may just need to grow it out, however you can definitely help to get the hair that you have now in better condition.

Curly Hair Basics | Live Curly Live Free This is a really good read for basic hair care and how to figure out your hair properties. Knowing your properties will be crucial in starting to figure out which products to use. One way is to start looking around the board for members with similar properties and see what they're using. Remember that hair width and porosity for instance will matter more than curl pattern when choosing products.

I agree as well that your hair could probably use some heavier products due to its volume and thickness. Whether or not you can use products with protein will depend on whether your hair is fine or coarse. Coarse-haired curlies often have issues with protein... fine hair tends to love protein.
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fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
Welcome! First step is to throw your brush i the trash, detangle curly hair slowly and patiently in sections with a very wide tooth comb or fingers only, working from the bottom up, ideally when soaking wet and drenched in conditioner.

Brushing or rough combing damages hair increasing tangles over the longer term, also separates defined curls into frizz. Some curlies like double row detangling combs.
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Be sure to use a satin pillowcase and/ or satin sleep bonnet, do a 'pineapple' or loose braid, these all help you avoid tangles and retain defined curls. Consider using a heat free method like wet wrapping to get your hair at least close to straight, flat ironing is damaging so will contribute to frizz.

Many of us here follow the Curly Girl method, check out the stickies on this board and the newbies board. Also numerous videos on the Curly Girl method on YouTube, many from ladies with a similar hair type to yours. A key aspect of CG is condition, condition and condition some more. Use leave in conditioner to tame your curls, far more than you think your hair can take, apply to dripping wet not towel dried hair.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I truly second to stop brushing your hair. I also agree that you should do some searches on here to pin point great starting Co-washes, Leave in, gels, etc. to begin your hairs transition. Definitely look up and read about the Curly Girl Method. It helps by giving you a starting point at which to begin so you don't feel so overwhelmed trying to search on here or google. Unfortunately, the more you continue to straighten, the more you are setting yourself back with your curls. At some point, you should take the commitment and eliminate your straightener for good (I know it's hard, but it can be done!).

This site has amazing information on whatever you are looking for. But I think you should begin by reading about the Curly Girl method and understand it so you know what to look for in products.
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I'm not sure about the spray gel but the regular gel in a tube is cg friendly.
Originally Posted by DCWavyLady
I guess it depends on what you think CG is. I've always considered no drying alcohols to be a part of it. Perhaps that's just an add on.
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I don't even really have a routine or a set of products I use. I've abandoned so much because much of what I've tried hasn't worked well for me. I dye my hair every few months so I try to use colour safe shampoos so that it doesn't fade so fast. As far as routine goes... what routine? Seriously! :P I'm a college student so I kind of just throw my hair up in a bun most days because I don't have the time to do much before early morning classes. I have some Garnier leave-in conditioner but it always leaves my hair feeling kind of gross.

As far as brushing when it's dry, it isn't something I do very often, if ever so no worries there. I had my mum do it for me tonight because I was planning on straightening as I'm leaving tomorrow to go out of town and I knew I wouldn't have time to wash/condition and get it dry again before it was too late in the evening to start straightening. (I have an InStyler so I know that's not the kind of noise most people want to hear when they're attempting to sleep.)

I straighten my hair for various events - weddings, parties, etc., because it's the only way I can feel comfortable. Leaving my hair curly means having it up and it looks kind of awful because I can't do anything with it, and leaving it down means a frizzy mess and hair everywhere.

I just fail all around at taking proper care of my hair; I've just never found a good way to control it.
Originally Posted by sourwolf
So basically you have long hair which you chemical treat, heat style and mechanically damage? Therein lies one part of the solution, too many different ways to abuse hair, stop or cut back on everything possible, find alternatives. Remember that even if you only flat iron or colour once a month that is twelve times a year or thirty six times for three year old hair (roughly eighteen inches long).

Unfortunately hair is dead so you cannot permanently repair damage, only patch repair it but some damaged hair is unsalvageable. The more damaged your hair is the drier and frizzier it is likely to be and the more effort and products (mostly conditioner!) are needed to get it looking and feeling healthier and under control. The long term solution is to stop damaging your hair, stop making excuses about time and events.

Many here are students or single moms holding down a job, many here are on a budget, many here have events to attend or need to look polished for work. It may be that you would do well to have a really good haircut to get rid of the worst of the damage and leave you with an amount of hair you can still easily put up and learn to make beautiful before growing more length if you wish.

Again try heat free methods of straightening like wet wrapping. Try not to ever brush your hair dry, try not to brush it period. use a wide tooth comb and section your hair to prep for straightening. Don't underestimate the effects of mechanical damage, you can do irreparable damage in just ONE rough session with the brush or a hot flat iron. The InStyler looks vicious, a rotating brush with high direct heat is two forms of damage in one little gadget. Up dos can be good protective styling OR damaging if you do them tight, the same style every day or the wrong tools to secure them.

You need to give us more information on your products and routine however basic it is, we can't help if you are vague and dismissive. Please tell us what products you are using at present, even if that is a couple of shampoos and conditioners and heat protectants in rotation.

I have been permanently dying my hair for way over half my life. IME colour safe shampoos are next to useless, some are actually harsher than regular shampoos. I currently use a high pigment semi permanent colour on the lengths, conditioner only wash in cool water, leave in conditioner containing ingredients beneficial to damaged or porous hair. My pink-red lasts two to four months and is still rich and bright, I only redye because of the root growth. With commercial box dyes, sulphate shampoos and silicone conditioners my red lengths were dull and washed out after six to eight weeks.

One of the first things you might do is a chelating shampoo or two to rid yourself of build up from hard water, swimming, silicone and polyquats in conditioners and styling products. Beneficial ingredients to use thereafter on porous or colour treated hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol.

If you are on a budget there are drugstore products you can use within the Curly Girl method, many also make their own deep conditioner. For example a cheap conditioner like Suave Naturals plus honey or sugar syrup plus aloe vera gel plus coconut or olive oil. You may have the ingredients already in your kitchen or bathroom. Many of us do our deep treatments (coconut oil plus honey) overnight on dry hair to save time.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
So basically you have long hair which you chemical treat, heat style and mechanically damage? Therein lies one part of the solution, too many different ways to abuse hair, stop or cut back on everything possible, find alternatives. Remember that even if you only flat iron or colour once a month that is twelve times a year or thirty six times for three year old hair (roughly eighteen inches long).

Unfortunately hair is dead so you cannot permanently repair damage, only patch repair it but some damaged hair is unsalvageable. The more damaged your hair is the drier and frizzier it is likely to be and the more effort and products (mostly conditioner!) are needed to get it looking and feeling healthier and under control. The long term solution is to stop damaging your hair, stop making excuses about time and events.

Many here are students or single moms holding down a job, many here are on a budget, many here have events to attend or need to look polished for work. It may be that you would do well to have a really good haircut to get rid of the worst of the damage and leave you with an amount of hair you can still easily put up and learn to make beautiful before growing more length if you wish.

Again try heat free methods of straightening like wet wrapping. Try not to ever brush your hair dry, try not to brush it period. use a wide tooth comb and section your hair to prep for straightening. Don't underestimate the effects of mechanical damage, you can do irreparable damage in just ONE rough session with the brush or a hot flat iron. The InStyler looks vicious, a rotating brush with high direct heat is two forms of damage in one little gadget. Up dos can be good protective styling OR damaging if you do them tight, the same style every day or the wrong tools to secure them.

You need to give us more information on your products and routine however basic it is, we can't help if you are vague and dismissive. Please tell us what products you are using at present, even if that is a couple of shampoos and conditioners and heat protectants in rotation.

I have been permanently dying my hair for way over half my life. IME colour safe shampoos are next to useless, some are actually harsher than regular shampoos. I currently use a high pigment semi permanent colour on the lengths, conditioner only wash in cool water, leave in conditioner containing ingredients beneficial to damaged or porous hair. My pink-red lasts two to four months and is still rich and bright, I only redye because of the root growth. With commercial box dyes, sulphate shampoos and silicone conditioners my red lengths were dull and washed out after six to eight weeks.

One of the first things you might do is a chelating shampoo or two to rid yourself of build up from hard water, swimming, silicone and polyquats in conditioners and styling products. Beneficial ingredients to use thereafter on porous or colour treated hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol.

If you are on a budget there are drugstore products you can use within the Curly Girl method, many also make their own deep conditioner. For example a cheap conditioner like Suave Naturals plus honey or sugar syrup plus aloe vera gel plus coconut or olive oil. You may have the ingredients already in your kitchen or bathroom. Many of us do our deep treatments (coconut oil plus honey) overnight on dry hair to save time.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I'm sorry, my attempt was not to be vague or dismissive or to make excuses; this is just the reality I've known because I've never taken care of my hair in any kind of way like this since 99% of the tips I've always gotten are from stylists who don't know how to do my hair in the first place.

The shampoo I'm currently using is Suave Professionals Keratin Infusion Color Care Shampoo. Same brand of conditioner. I'm currently at home for the summer, so I don't often straighten my hair (even at school I found I didn't most often, I would just put my hair up and throw my baseball cap on). I'm finding that I straighten only for special events, like the weddings I have to go to this summer I mentioned in my first post.

I don't use anything else in my hair. I do have that Garnier leave in conditioner I also mentioned, but I find that makes my hair feel gross and sticky, so I've stopped using it.

As for straighteners, I have the InStyler and an older Straightener I've had for about six years, which, since my brother's girlfriend gave me her InStyler, I've stopped using almost completely.

That's literally all I use for my hair in terms of regular routine. The dye brands I use vary from dye job to dye job, but the colour is usually a burgundy.

Outside of straightening, I don't style my hair when it's curly. Because it becomes so frizzy when it dries, I feel like I look awful if I leave it down, so, like I said, I just throw it up in a bun or do some braids, etc.
+1 on the CG method. I think you will be pleasantly surprised the amount of control and lack of frizz you will get. By the wedding in August you should be able to wear your hair down and natural with more confidence! Pick up a cheap conditioner for a co wash and detangler I love tresseme naturals! Also a good thick rinse out/ base for deep treats (just add oil) is GVP conditioning balm from Sally's if you have one nearby. Throw away the shampoo and brush. Do one last shampoo with it and toss it. Your hair will thank you!
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Co Wash: As I am
RO: Yes To Carrots / Ion
LI: Biotera / Samy Big Curls Defining Cream
Gel: FSG, Volumax (Original and Mega)
Color: Henna
Tools: Diffusing
I'm sorry, my attempt was not to be vague or dismissive or to make excuses; this is just the reality I've known because I've never taken care of my hair in any kind of way like this since 99% of the tips I've always gotten are from stylists who don't know how to do my hair in the first place.

The shampoo I'm currently using is Suave Professionals Keratin Infusion Color Care Shampoo. Same brand of conditioner. I'm currently at home for the summer, so I don't often straighten my hair (even at school I found I didn't most often, I would just put my hair up and throw my baseball cap on). I'm finding that I straighten only for special events, like the weddings I have to go to this summer I mentioned in my first post.

I don't use anything else in my hair. I do have that Garnier leave in conditioner I also mentioned, but I find that makes my hair feel gross and sticky, so I've stopped using it.

As for straighteners, I have the InStyler and an older Straightener I've had for about six years, which, since my brother's girlfriend gave me her InStyler, I've stopped using almost completely.

That's literally all I use for my hair in terms of regular routine. The dye brands I use vary from dye job to dye job, but the colour is usually a burgundy.

Outside of straightening, I don't style my hair when it's curly. Because it becomes so frizzy when it dries, I feel like I look awful if I leave it down, so, like I said, I just throw it up in a bun or do some braids, etc.
Originally Posted by sourwolf

I didn't think you were being dismissive! I got that you were trying to say that you don't have a "fancy" or a very deliberate routine!

Okay, I think all the Suave Professionals stuff have cones in them so you're best to ditch them BUT you'll need to do one last wash to get rid of the silicones with a shampoo that doesn't have silicones. So not the Suave shampoo, because that will add more silicones while breaking down others.

You can use a clarifying low-poo like Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat. I'm sure there are others I just don't know. You need a silicone-free low poo that has coco betaine or cocamidopropyl betaine in it to break down the cones. A cone-free sulfate shampoo will work too. And that's the last time you'll ever need to use sulfates!

If you want to go to low-poo route there's many that are popular: SheaMoisture, Yes to Cucumbers, Curl Junkie Gentle Cleansing etc. If you want to cowash, try the Suave Naturals or Tresemme Naturals conditioners. Or V05. Just double check whatever light conditioner you use to cowash has no silicones in it (ending in -xane, -cone, -conol). PEG in front means water soluble, which should be okay but some curlies avoid these as well.

I second getting a really moisturizing conditioner like GVP Conditioning Balm (knock off Matrix Biolage Conditioning balm). Your hair will most likely highly benefit from a leave-in conditioner as well. This can be the same as your rinse-out conditioner. The only thing I would suggest is avoid glycerin in leave-in and styling products if you live in an area with high dews. (You can check the dews on NaturallyCurly's Frizz Forecast)

Weekly deep treatments will be a savior especially in the beginning. I use extra virgin coconut oil on my hair. Now since my hair is very moisturized and in good condition (and the dews are high), I've been using protein treatments more frequently. I use IAgirl's gelatin recipe for PT and this has really improved my hair. How much protein you need will depend on your specific hair properties.

Definitely figure out your hair properties! If you have trouble you can also get a hair analysis from Live Curly Live Free or Komaza Care! That will be so helpful in the beginning as you start to make changes and choose different products!
fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
I'm sorry, my attempt was not to be vague or dismissive or to make excuses; this is just the reality I've known because I've never taken care of my hair in any kind of way like this since 99% of the tips I've always gotten are from stylists who don't know how to do my hair in the first place.

The shampoo I'm currently using is Suave Professionals Keratin Infusion Color Care Shampoo. Same brand of conditioner. I'm currently at home for the summer, so I don't often straighten my hair (even at school I found I didn't most often, I would just put my hair up and throw my baseball cap on). I'm finding that I straighten only for special events, like the weddings I have to go to this summer I mentioned in my first post.

I don't use anything else in my hair. I do have that Garnier leave in conditioner I also mentioned, but I find that makes my hair feel gross and sticky, so I've stopped using it.

As for straighteners, I have the InStyler and an older Straightener I've had for about six years, which, since my brother's girlfriend gave me her InStyler, I've stopped using almost completely.

That's literally all I use for my hair in terms of regular routine. The dye brands I use vary from dye job to dye job, but the colour is usually a burgundy.

Outside of straightening, I don't style my hair when it's curly. Because it becomes so frizzy when it dries, I feel like I look awful if I leave it down, so, like I said, I just throw it up in a bun or do some braids, etc.
Originally Posted by sourwolf
Sorry to seem harsh but you do have a routine unless you never touch your hair and let it dreadlock. You don't use any heat protectant? Do you towel turban or towel dry your hair, do you air dry? How often is 'not often' for flat ironing, we don't know how many events you attend a year? What temperature is your Instyler at? When you dye are you doing roots only or 'refreshing the lengths? What are you using to secure your buns?
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Straightening Facts :How hot is too hot?
http://www.hairfree.bz/Article.pdf

From what you say you likely have porous damaged hair, you don't need to spend money on a hair analysis at this stage. You need more than just 'moisture'/ conditioning, beneficial ingredients to use thereafter on porous or colour treated hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol. These patch damage on the hair's protective cuticle and can penetrate so increase elasticity and strength from the inside.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Ceramides: Patching up Damaged Hair
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)
Mineral Oil Versus Coconut Oil: Which is better?

Conditioner only wash if you can, if not choose a sulphate free shampoo that is pH 4.5 to 5.5 (acidic) which is the gentlest on both skin and hair. The Komaza Care and As I Am lines have products in this range, you can also purchase shampoo and conditioner 'bases' online (intended to have oils or fragrances added) some of which are in this pH range. Doing this means every product will work for you, shampoos don't ever truly moisturise or condition that is marketing, but you can choose ones that cause the least damage/ stripping which means no sulphate surfactants and a low pH.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Shampoo : The Ultimate List!
THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Conditioners
THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Leave In Conditioners and Styling Aids

Most creamy wash out conditioners, even the super cheap ones suitable for co-washing, are acidic so you don't need to cleanse with anything pricey if you are on a budget. Personally I spend the most money on my leave in conditioners because the ingredients are in contact with my hair longest and a bottle does last a good while!
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 06-27-2013 at 11:00 AM.
Definitely read the blogs that Firefox posted, they have excellent info and aren't confusing to where you don't understand what it's talking about.
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Sorry to seem harsh but you do have a routine unless you never touch your hair and let it dreadlock. You don't use any heat protectant? Do you towel turban or towel dry your hair, do you air dry? How often is 'not often' for flat ironing, we don't know how many events you attend a year? What temperature is your Instyler at? When you dye are you doing roots only or 'refreshing the lengths? What are you using to secure your buns?
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Straightening Facts :How hot is too hot?
http://www.hairfree.bz/Article.pdf

From what you say you likely have porous damaged hair, you don't need to spend money on a hair analysis at this stage. You need more than just 'moisture'/ conditioning, beneficial ingredients to use thereafter on porous or colour treated hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol. These patch damage on the hair's protective cuticle and can penetrate so increase elasticity and strength from the inside.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Ceramides: Patching up Damaged Hair
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)
Mineral Oil Versus Coconut Oil: Which is better?

Conditioner only wash if you can, if not choose a sulphate free shampoo that is pH 4.5 to 5.5 (acidic) which is the gentlest on both skin and hair. The Komaza Care and As I Am lines have products in this range, you can also purchase shampoo and conditioner 'bases' online (intended to have oils or fragrances added) some of which are in this pH range. Doing this means every product will work for you, shampoos don't ever truly moisturise or condition that is marketing, but you can choose ones that cause the least damage/ stripping which means no sulphate surfactants and a low pH.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Shampoo : The Ultimate List!
THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Conditioners
THE NATURAL HAVEN: pH of Leave In Conditioners and Styling Aids

Most creamy wash out conditioners, even the super cheap ones suitable for co-washing, are acidic so you don't need to cleanse with anything pricey if you are on a budget. Personally I spend the most money on my leave in conditioners because the ingredients are in contact with my hair longest and a bottle does last a good while!
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
It's all right, I've just never really been asked these kinds of questions before, which I guess doesn't say much about stylists I've had in the past since nobody has ever bothered to ask about what I use. I generally go to the stylist for trims only; the last time I think I had a stylist actually do a style for me other than straightening was my high school senior prom three years ago.

To answer your questions, I actually haven't used heat protectant before. I towel turban my hair right when I get out of the shower for a few minutes while I'm getting dressed and then I usually let it air dry past that, or sometimes I put it up when it's still wet, using hairbands to secure buns. My InStyler is usually at the highest temperature. As far as dye goes, I generally don't do touch ups so when my hair starts to really look it's natural colour again is when I redye, depending on whether I can afford it or not. And as for straightening, weddings and such aren't a frequent occurrence, but parties/family get-togethers tend to be around holidays like St. Patrick's Day, my birthday which is on Independence Day so I'm always with people then, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's. I'm always straightening then. Outside of that, it's more infrequent random events like if I find out my res hall is holding a semi-formal party, or I have a job interview. Straightening takes me a long time so I never feel it's worth it unless it's a family get together, etc. So we're looking at 4 - 7 times a year here.

I appreciate the tips, and I didn't think you were being harsh! It's just that I don't see the Puerto Rican side of my family ever, so anyone who has hair like mine is a good 1000 miles away at any given time. The only time I feel like I can get to a stylist who even has the slightest inkling of what to do is when I'm at college, which is in a small city with plenty of culture, where hair like mine is more likely to be seen, as opposed to my tiny town of 500.

Last edited by sourwolf; 06-27-2013 at 11:32 AM.
It's all right, I've just never really been asked these kinds of questions before, which I guess doesn't say much about stylists I've had in the past since nobody has ever bothered to ask about what I use. I generally go to the stylist for trims only; the last time I think I had a stylist actually do a style for me other than straightening was my high school senior prom three years ago.

To answer your questions, I actually haven't used heat protectant before. I towel turban my hair right when I get out of the shower for a few minutes while I'm getting dressed and then I usually let it air dry past that, or sometimes I put it up when it's still wet, using hairbands to secure buns. My InStyler is usually at the highest temperature. As far as dye goes, I generally don't do touch ups so when my hair starts to really look it's natural colour again is when I redye, depending on whether I can afford it or not.

I appreciate the tips, and I didn't think you were being harsh! It's just that I don't see the Puerto Rican side of my family ever, so anyone who has hair like mine is a good 1000 miles away at any given time. The only time I feel like I can get to a stylist who even has the slightest inkling of what to do is when I'm at college, which is in a small city with plenty of culture, where hair like mine is more likely to be seen, as opposed to my tiny town of 500.
Originally Posted by sourwolf
Helpful response thank you. Stylists are there to style your hair, sadly the vast majority either don't know or don't care that much about hair health and don't think hair is damaged unless it is totally fried. It's trichologists and dermatologists that should be into healthy hair but they are not so into attractive hair!!

Try applying a leave in conditioner to dripping wet hair, before you towel dry. You can use the one you have or get a new product if it's still too sticky. Also switch from a terry cloth towel to a microfibre or flour sack towel, you can get microfibre in dollar stores and flour sack in markets or craft places. Both of these make a difference to frizz.

I would strongly recommend you turn your flat iron down to 175C (see link earlier for why) - if you don't have the instruction manual the temperature settings for different Instylers are online. Also use a silicone based heat protectant from now on. Silicones they are king for heat protectant and 'slip' or friction reduction - you are using a rotating brush which will be ripping over your hair cuticles with every rotation.

A full head permanent dye over the top of a full head permanent dye is also very damaging, your lengths will be porous so you could just do a semi permanent colour which is not damaging. I do a two step, permanent colour the roots only and high pigment semi the lengths, it's a bit of a PITA but well worth it for healthier, less porous hair and less frizzy/ poofy hair. For a while I had a demarcation where the top half of my hair was well behaved and the bottom half fluffy/ poofy from the old damage.

Keep posting here, we will help you as much as we can, many of us have been in your shoes - I spent two years growing out damage and my hair is so much easier to manage, I receive compliments regularly even tho it's far from perfect. Now I cringe at what I did to my hair for YEARS and wonder how I had any left on my head!! Feel free to laugh, I didn't stop abusing my hair or even know I had waves/ curls until my late thirties!!

Sorry if this all sounds negative or critical, it is not meant to. I think it's a strangely positive thing if we can identify major 'crimes against hair' because then you know WHY your hair is so badly behaved, and you know that your new growth CAN be happy and healthy if you are kind to it over the coming months and years. I was sort of relieved when I joined the Longhaircommunity forums and learned almost everything I was doing was wrong or damaging, before that I thought I just had naturally 'bad hair'.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

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