Shampooing out prescription oils

Hi all,

Sorry for the long post. I've been lurking here for years. I have 2C dry, frizzy hair that I've gotten in shape. I cowash with and also use as a leave in the Tresemme Naturals conditioner. I use the Tresemme Flawless Curls mousse. I sometimes use a Garnier spray gel for some extra hold.

This had been working well for me, but my psoriasis really flared up and I went to my dermatologist. He prescribed a scalp oil I need to leave on overnight and wash out in the morning. It contains mineral oil and peanut oil.

I was also prescribed a topical medication that contains mineral oil too. This topical just sits on my scalp and never absorbs even after being on my scalp all day.

The dermatologist instructed me to wash out the scalp oil with a salicylic acid shampoo. All of the ones available that I can find contain sulfates. After using them every time I wash and use this oil, my hair has become dry and frizzy again.

Does anyone have an experience with this? I'm willing to stop using the salicylic acid shampoos, but would a no or low poo even remove the mineral oil from my scalp and hair?
Welcome!

Mineral oil will not absorb into skin or hair, it's far too large a molecule and totally unnatural so your skin would not know what to do with it anyway. Since mineral oil is inert I assume it's there simply as a barrier, to stop the skin or the active ingredients drying out or being rubbed off.

Neutrogena T-Sal shampoo is sulphate free and contains salicylic acid. Sulphate free shampoo containing cocoamidopropyl betaine should also work fine to shift mineral oil. Probably not a wise move to use anything containing other oils or moisturising ingredients, just something plain like a pH 4.5 to 5.5 shampoo 'base'. Ideally you need the salicylic acid, that is the keratolytic that loosens the psoriasis plaques so they can lift off.
http://www.neutrogena.com/product/t-...-up+control.do

Have you tried scalp only washes? Wet the head and hair, coat the lengths in conditioner as protection if you are permitted to use it, use a nozzle bottle to apply the slightly diluted shampoo to your scalp only. Thereafter wash and rinse as normal.

Spray gel and mousse might not be the best idea, you will struggle not to hit your scalp with that, and they tend to be packed with potential irritants. You might find aloe vera inner leaf gel, DIY okra gel/ flaxseed gel or a combination gentle enough, have you ever tried any of them as stylers?
http://www.youtube.com/user/Roots4U45/videos

Once your psoriasis is back under control you might speak to Komaza Care about what products of theirs would suit you, they are very into scalp health and use some really beneficial ingredients..
http://www.komazahaircare.com/
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 06-27-2013 at 12:29 PM.
The Shea Moisture Black Soap line contains salicylic acid and would likely be more gentle then most.
2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
Thanks for the replies. I was actually just in Target and saw the Black Soap line, but I thought they would be drying and was kind of scared away by them.

As for the Neutrogena T-Sal, I have actually gone through an entire bottle of that. I thought it had a sulfate in it. I did pick up another bottle, but it did dry my hair out. I will try the scalp only wash method you've mentioned and see if that improves my hair any. My dermatologist did not mention discontinuing conditioner use, so I've still been using the Tresemme Naturals.

I have never tried any DIY gels, but I will check out some of the videos from that YouTube channel.

As an aside, what is the difference between the three Tresemme Naturals conditioners? I thought there was only one, but in Target I saw three kinds. I have been using the Nourishing Moisture one, but there was also a volume one and a bottle with a black label and cap.
I wouldn't say the SM products are drying so much as not super moisturizing. The Black Soap line still has shea butter in them but they aren't as full of oils/butters as some of the other SM lines. I really liked the Black Soap condish, it has good slip and smells like plantains, but it was a bit heavy for me. It would be worth it to try just the shampoo with the TN you're already using, or use the condish too but do a moistizing deep treatment once a week or so. Shea butter can build up so definitely keep an eye out for that.
2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
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Last edited by Jessiebanana; 06-27-2013 at 04:46 PM.
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The Neutrogena T-Sal is technically sulfate free, but this ingredient is pretty much just as bad as SLS.

Water , Cocamidopropyl Betaine , Sodium C14 16 Olefin Sulfonate , Linoleamidopropyl PG Dimonium Chloride Phosphate , Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate , Polyquaternium 22 , Hexylene Glycol , Sodium Citrate

I've actually tried low poos with Sodium C14 16 Olefin Sulfonate that were more drying than SLS poos.

What Makes a Cleansing Ingredient More Harsh or More Gentle?

I wouldn't recommend the Shea Moisture Organic African Black Soap Deep Cleansing Shampoo. I believe the African Black Soap ingredient is a saponified oil and pH level of these soap can destroy the acid mantle of your skin causing you further issues. I used diluted liquid soap on my face once...it was not a smart life decision .
If I'm wrong about what African Black Soap is or if the salicylic acid balances it out...ignore that.

I think the ingredients for the Giovanni Don't Be Flaky! Soothing Anti-Dandruff Shampoo are good.
Thanks for the replies. I was actually just in Target and saw the Black Soap line, but I thought they would be drying and was kind of scared away by them.

As for the Neutrogena T-Sal, I have actually gone through an entire bottle of that. I thought it had a sulfate in it. I did pick up another bottle, but it did dry my hair out. I will try the scalp only wash method you've mentioned and see if that improves my hair any. My dermatologist did not mention discontinuing conditioner use, so I've still been using the Tresemme Naturals.

I have never tried any DIY gels, but I will check out some of the videos from that YouTube channel.

As an aside, what is the difference between the three Tresemme Naturals conditioners? I thought there was only one, but in Target I saw three kinds. I have been using the Nourishing Moisture one, but there was also a volume one and a bottle with a black label and cap.
Originally Posted by Illania
Unfortunately you're stuck between a rock and a hard place unless your dermatologist can come up with another option. Salicylic acid is fat soluble so it's hugely drying, but the keratolytics that are water soluble will eat through hair as fast as they eat through skin, the chemical structure being similar.

Some people can moderate their psoriasis with diet modification and careful product selection, others cannot it's not an easy balance. It is an immune and inflammatory issue, it would be best to consider that in as many food and product choices you make as possible.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
The Neutrogena T-Sal is technically sulfate free, but this ingredient is pretty much just as bad as SLS.

Water , Cocamidopropyl Betaine , Sodium C14 16 Olefin Sulfonate , Linoleamidopropyl PG Dimonium Chloride Phosphate , Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate , Polyquaternium 22 , Hexylene Glycol , Sodium Citrate

I've actually tried low poos with Sodium C14 16 Olefin Sulfonate that were more drying than SLS poos.

What Makes a Cleansing Ingredient More Harsh or More Gentle?

I wouldn't recommend the Shea Moisture Organic African Black Soap Deep Cleansing Shampoo. I believe the African Black Soap ingredient is a saponified oil and pH level of these soap can destroy the acid mantle of your skin causing you further issues. I used diluted liquid soap on my face once...it was not a smart life decision .
If I'm wrong about what African Black Soap is or if the salicylic acid balances it out...ignore that.

I think the ingredients for the Giovanni Don't Be Flaky! Soothing Anti-Dandruff Shampoo are good.
Originally Posted by Jessiebanana
"Pretty much as bad as" in what sense? Don't confuse dermatology/ pharmacy with cosmetic care for hair. Dandruff is NOT psoriasis, they do not have the same aetiology nor the same treatment. The curl chemist articles are fantastic, but she (rightly) assumes the majority of her audience has healthy skin.

As I think you are alluding to ... salicylic acid does not balance out the damaging effect of soap, for healthy skin and hair, Tonya McKay says
"Another very important ingredient to avoid for long, curly hair especially is soaps. In the past, I have written an article cautioning users of soap to be careful, but basically concluding that it was probably okay to use soaps with an acidic rinse and lots of moisturizing agents. Based on the following information obtained from the research of Dr. Ali Syed (a hair care researcher who specializes in African and curly hair), I cannot in good conscience advocate use of any soap products on curly hair.

Soap molecules are salts of fatty acids found in plants and animal fats. They are somewhat alkaline and cause the hair to swell and the cuticle to raise up away from the surface of the hair shaft. These molecules are then able to penetrate through the cuticle and into the CMC where they neutralize the fatty acids in the lipid layer, rendering them water soluble. The fatty acids are then rinsed away in the shower and are gone forever. Use of soap to cleanse one’s hair, especially long curly hair, seems to be a really effective way of permanently destroying the cuticle layer and making the hair very highly porous. This is an example of why natural may not always be superior
."
An Indepth Look at Porosity | Curly Nikki | Natural Hair Styles and Natural Hair Care
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 06-27-2013 at 05:40 PM.
I pretty much figured I was stuck with some kind of harsher shampoo or another. All of the information posted has been helpful, though.

I am going to see if I can go a couple of weeks between using the scalp oil and shampooing and hopefully that will limit the dryness.

As far as diet, that is definitely something to consider and that I can work on. I will also consider discontinuing the use of the mousse and spray gel. I've been getting rid of a lot of product (including the hairspray I used to use every day! ).

I will discuss these concerns with my dermatologist during the follow-up appointment.

Thank you all again!
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"Pretty much as bad as" in what sense? Don't confuse dermatology/ pharmacy with cosmetic care for hair. Dandruff is NOT psoriasis, they do not have the same aetiology nor the same treatment. The curl chemist articles are fantastic, but she (rightly) assumes the majority of her audience has healthy skin.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
What are you talking about? I'm simply referring to SLS versus Sodium C14 16 Olefin Sulfonate when it comes to making her hair feel dry...what the OP was concerned about. I know what dandruff is and I know what psoriasis is . I have many skin issues of my own. Hell even if I didn't, I know how to search articles. It's amazing.

...and I've read that Curly Nikki story already. I didn't think the SA did, which is why I didn't recommend it, but I didn't want to speak definitely on something I wasn't sure of and spread false information. I'm not a hair product chemist.

I recommended the Giovanni shampoo, not because it was a dandruff shampoo, but because it is a sulfate free shampoo with salicylic acid...which is what she said she needed.

Last edited by Jessiebanana; 06-27-2013 at 08:54 PM.
I must have glossed over your Giovanni recommendation in your previous post. Unfortunately it doesn't look like it's available in stores, but I think I'll order a bottle of that and see how it goes. Thanks again!

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