A Bad Hair Month?

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I posted awhile ago about my anxiety towards my first hair appointment since I decided to go curly all the time. When I left, I felt pretty good about what I had gotten and was confident that I was just a few experiments away from having the curls I've always wanted. I'm sad to admit now that I was wrong.

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B****ing about it:

I have tried several variations in routine and product, and it's just not going well for me. I am feeling pretty discouraged. I documented everything that I tried, down to the exact time that I spent scrunching or plopping and how many times I rubbed my palms together to emulsify, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. I can't keep buying more products, because not only will I run out of money, but I also seem to be getting roughly the same results no matter what I do with which products or for how long!

The bottom layers is a mass of gorgeous, shiny, bouncy corkscrews I never knew I had (!!!), but the middle and top layers just look bad. They are quite obviously spirals, but they look overstretched and they don't clump at all, no matter how long I leave it alone with no touching (NO TOUCHING!!) before I SOTC.

I have stopped countless women on the street, in elevators, and in various other public places to ask them about their hair, and it seems like everyone has better curls than I do and nobody spends half as much time worrying about them. I am pretty discouraged. I finally sucked it up and made an appointment at a salon in my metro area that specializes in curly hair.

I am at my wits' end.

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The Actual Questions:

Have you guys encountered a period of time during which your hair was just awful as it adjusted to not getting silicones and brush-outs? Is this a new-to-CG thing, or a bad-haircut thing? Or both?

Thanks in advance for any insight and/or commiseration.
Medium texture, Normal porosity, medium density, textures run the gamut from 2a-3c. Artificially red.

Currently fiddling with:
debatably-poo: DCNP, Tressa Watercolors (Crimson Splash)
cw&c: DevaCare, Heaven in Hair, Ouidad Climate Control
leave-in: Lush R&B Hair Moisturizer, some of above, EVCO
product: DC FFVF, DC AnGel, DCCC, OCC, JCCC, JCRR, 3SCG

I'm a terrible product junkie but I don't buy or use anything that's tested on animals.
I'm in the in between I'm going natural... Jojoba oil coconut oil and the hole 9 yards.... and my hair is hating it and me ... we just have to keep at it some sort of mixture with the right conditioner or oils or towling or anything will work just right for you or me... don't get to down...
If I have a bad few days, it's usually some type of ingredient build up. The prior haircut, my CJ Daily Fix rolled out of the bag into the car. It was too late before I noticed. Let them use Deva NoPoo on my hair--BIG MISTAKE. It has a polyquat! Made my hair just awful until I used a sulfate shampoo to wash it out. Then, my hair was back to normal.

My first suggestion would be to read your ingredients, clarify and stay away from chemicals, like polyquats.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I've been CG for almost 3 years now, and I find that my hair is "off" in two particular circumstances - when the seasons change (moderate dews changing to high dews and vice versa) and when I've had a haircut. It takes my hair a couple of weeks to adjust to its new shape, for whatever reason (this is if I'm getting more than just a trim). If your hair is like mine, give it a week or so, and if it doesn't improve, start checking ingredients and tweaking your routine or styling methods. Hope that helps.
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

Also wanted to add - if you're new to CG, it's going to take awhile before your canopy curls are as nice as your under layer. The top layers of your hair are the ones that have seen the most damage due to wind, manipulation, sun, etc. My canopy layer was almost straight when I started, and as time goes on and that hair grows out and gets cut off, I'm now seeing more curl and less frizz. Give that top layer some extra TLC in the form of moisturizing products and regular DTs, and that should help.
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

It takes time, you have done well to get spirals in your underlayers! Agree with Rustina, the canopy is more likely to be damaged, and your hair is colour treated to begin with. Condition, condition and condition some more being sure to use products and ingredients that work for your hair properties and dew points.

For colour treated or porous hair coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol; fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants for clumping. Honey, coconut oil, hydrolysed protein and magnesium sulphate for curl boosting.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks for the encouragement, ladies. How long did you find that it took for your hair to start looking good curly? Also, if you accidentally used something with a dimethicone in it, are you starting over from scratch when you get it out of your hair, or do you get to pick back up close to where you left off?
Medium texture, Normal porosity, medium density, textures run the gamut from 2a-3c. Artificially red.

Currently fiddling with:
debatably-poo: DCNP, Tressa Watercolors (Crimson Splash)
cw&c: DevaCare, Heaven in Hair, Ouidad Climate Control
leave-in: Lush R&B Hair Moisturizer, some of above, EVCO
product: DC FFVF, DC AnGel, DCCC, OCC, JCCC, JCRR, 3SCG

I'm a terrible product junkie but I don't buy or use anything that's tested on animals.
Mine looked better almost immediately, but it wasn't until I got a hair analysis and figured out my properties that I started getting consistent results. The next turning point came when I started doing regular deep conditioning treatments (my hair is medium-coarse and needs more moisture than protein) and researching and trying various styling techniques. Then I found a curl-friendly salon for cuts, and that also helped tremendously. Three years later, I'm still reading up on products and techniques and experimenting. And since I stopped coloring and let my gray come in, I have a whole new set of challenges to deal with. It's a merry-go-round, lol!

I don't think using dimethicone once is the end of the world. Just shampoo it out, give your hair a little extra TLC in the way of moisture and easy handling, and you'll be back in business.
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

I experience the same exact issue; the curls underneath are perfect but are covered by frizzy bits of hair that don't seem to want to clump! I've found a way to manage it much better now though, and I think one of the biggest contributing factors to my success is the fact that I don't brush my hair AT ALL. Even if i brush it in the shower I notice much more frizz after it has dried. I finger detangle with coconut oil the night before wash day, and again right before I shower. I also don't use shampoo as I find this also creates frizz! Good luck girl!
Mine looked better almost immediately, but it wasn't until I got a hair analysis and figured out my properties that I started getting consistent results.
Originally Posted by Rustina
Where did you get this hair analysis done? I have no idea how my hair feels about protein, glycerin, or polyquats. It obviously does well with silicones, but of course that creates a dependency cycle I'd rather avoid.

I experience the same exact issue; the curls underneath are perfect but are covered by frizzy bits of hair that don't seem to want to clump! I've found a way to manage it much better now though, and I think one of the biggest contributing factors to my success is the fact that I don't brush my hair AT ALL. Even if i brush it in the shower I notice much more frizz after it has dried. I finger detangle with coconut oil the night before wash day, and again right before I shower. I also don't use shampoo as I find this also creates frizz! Good luck girl!
Originally Posted by jbaum
I don't brush at all, either, and I have stopped everything but finger-combing while conditioning in the shower. It seems to be clumping better, but I miss my diagonal part. The sacrifices we make, eh?

My shampoo is color-depositing and contains only mild detergents, no propylene glycol or sulfates/sodiums/silicones/parabens. I haven't gotten good results with co-washing, so I guess i can consider myself low-poo.

What has been working better for me lately is:
- I don't rinse out all of the conditioner and do a separate leave-in; just leave in some regular conditioner instead.
- I immediately scrunch my hair to damp with a microfiber towel as soon as I get out of the shower until it is no longer dripping. The conditioner makes it squish a lot and it feels weird to have so much conditioner left in. I apply products by raking and then re-scrunch with the microfiber.
- No microfiber turban. No t-shirt plop. I immediately clip my roots and the part of my hair that likes to curl right into my eyes and then don't. touch. it. at. all. until it dries. This is difficult because it dries wonky and I start to get anxious about how it will turn out, but I have to just passively wait until it dries on its own, in a perfect world.
- In the real world, I usually have to be somewhere while it is still damp, so I continue not to touch it until I have arrived and am about to get out of the car, at which point I carefully remove the clips, flip my head upside-down,and SOTC with a paper towel or tissue. Look, ma, no hands!
- I have to keep remembering not to touch it.


Today I have some ultra-deep-conditioning-treatment still left in, and despite the 64% humidity and promise of a thunderstorm shortly, I have minimal frizz. I guess I really needed the moisture.

Things I have learned from past mistakes:

1. Applying product to clean, damp hair and then plopping it negates my hair's clumping ability. My hair hates plopping.
2. Yes, it IS possible to overcondition- and it looks gross. This almost exclusively happens to me with leave-ins, though.
3. Second-day hair requires a tiny dab more product applied to the canopy after dousing my hair. Underlayers don't need any; they will get/stay crunchy or greasy and will not curl well. They just need to be rewetted.
4. The crown is the most difficult area. The hair there is not long enough to support the same curl pattern as other areas of my head, and it is the easiest part of the head to miss when applying anything at all. I have to be extra-careful to so the same stuff to it that I do to everywhere else. This might sound like a no-brainer, but it's surprisingly easy to miss.
Medium texture, Normal porosity, medium density, textures run the gamut from 2a-3c. Artificially red.

Currently fiddling with:
debatably-poo: DCNP, Tressa Watercolors (Crimson Splash)
cw&c: DevaCare, Heaven in Hair, Ouidad Climate Control
leave-in: Lush R&B Hair Moisturizer, some of above, EVCO
product: DC FFVF, DC AnGel, DCCC, OCC, JCCC, JCRR, 3SCG

I'm a terrible product junkie but I don't buy or use anything that's tested on animals.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
In reference to the images attached, Climate Control 01 and 02 are from last Friday. I used the CurlyGirl method for Botticelli/Corkicelli and Ouidad Climate Control. I had the left side (my left; your right) pinned up with a bobby pin. I was very excited with the curl definition I got.

DCCC and DCFFVF was taken just a few minutes ago. I used the DevaCurl Curl Cream along with my conditioner in the shower and didn't rinse it all out. Once my hair was scrunch-dried, I used DevaCurl frizz-free volumizing foam. I think the results are pretty similar in the photos, although the foam has dried much crunchier.

The last photo was taken a few weeks ago. I don't remember what I used and I hated my hair in person, but in photographs I really like the softness and body, even though there is a noticeable frizz-halo. (ICYWW, I'm hugging my dog in that photo because she is freaking out about a thunderstorm. That's why we both look so sad.) I would be delighted to find a happy medium that combines definition with softness and body.
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Medium texture, Normal porosity, medium density, textures run the gamut from 2a-3c. Artificially red.

Currently fiddling with:
debatably-poo: DCNP, Tressa Watercolors (Crimson Splash)
cw&c: DevaCare, Heaven in Hair, Ouidad Climate Control
leave-in: Lush R&B Hair Moisturizer, some of above, EVCO
product: DC FFVF, DC AnGel, DCCC, OCC, JCCC, JCRR, 3SCG

I'm a terrible product junkie but I don't buy or use anything that's tested on animals.
In reference to the images attached, Climate Control 01 and 02 are from last Friday. I used the CurlyGirl method for Botticelli/Corkicelli and Ouidad Climate Control. I had the left side (my left; your right) pinned up with a bobby pin. I was very excited with the curl definition I got.

DCCC and DCFFVF was taken just a few minutes ago. I used the DevaCurl Curl Cream along with my conditioner in the shower and didn't rinse it all out. Once my hair was scrunch-dried, I used DevaCurl frizz-free volumizing foam. I think the results are pretty similar in the photos, although the foam has dried much crunchier.

The last photo was taken a few weeks ago. I don't remember what I used and I hated my hair in person, but in photographs I really like the softness and body, even though there is a noticeable frizz-halo. (ICYWW, I'm hugging my dog in that photo because she is freaking out about a thunderstorm. That's why we both look so sad.) I would be delighted to find a happy medium that combines definition with softness and body.
Originally Posted by mswhimsy
Honestly, I don't think your hair looks bad at all. Maybe a little limp, but otherwise not bad. We are having unusually high dewpoints here lately, and my hair looked so awful yesterday there is no way I woud post a picture online. I've been doing a lot of experimenting, too, but today went back to KCCC + BRHG, and got great hair. One thing I would suggest (and I'm going to start doing it myself) is that if you try something new, give it at least a week or two so you can refine your technique in relationship to the product. If it's really obviously a disaster you don't have to do this, but if it's just so-so, give it a few chances before you chuck it out.

P.S. I have a shy/anxious dog, so I've done a lot of training with her and research on desensitizing and handling techniques. While comforting/cuddling works for humans, it's very counterproductive with dogs, because it tells them that there's something to be afraid of. The best thing to do is to actually act like nothing is wrong at all. My dog looks at me for cues as to how she should react in situations, so I have to be very careful to use calm body language. I've also found the amino acid l-theanine to be helpful, but you have to give it a few hours in advance. PM me if I can be of more help.
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3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry
I'm having that kind of month right now!! I think everyone, well not EVERYONE has it that bad, but I think everyone has a time where it just seems like nothing is working for their hair. I am at that point on and off now. Most of the time it's because I'm doing too MUCH to it and expecting too much FROM it! LoL!

Thinking everyone else's curls are better than yours is normal also. Especially if you're newly curly. I have been natural for 8 years, but I was in locs most of that time, so when I cut them I was like.. This hair is pretty nice, but HER'S IS BETTER!! LoL! But you can't get caught up in that mind set. I'm sure your hair is beautiful. It's just going through a little something right now.

Stay encouraged!! Don't let bad hair days get you down. Once you get the hang of what your hair likes and doesn't and what techniques work well for you and your hair, you'll be the one ladies stop in the hallway and on the streets and in the elevator asking how you got YOUR hair like that.

(Hugs!!!)
FroZen
I also wanted to mention that something I've found helpful when experimenting with styling products has been to use one set of products on half my head, and something else on the other. Then I can compare the difference. Sometimes there's more than one thing that seems to be working pretty well, and if you can do a side-by-side comparison you realize that hey, Product A really is quite a bit better than Product B. When you see them together instead of a day or two apart, the differences are more obvious.
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry

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